Allen: "Agreed, hate is equally bad. It isn't necessarily that the only two available choices are hatred or unity, there exists much more acceptance in churches today when bigotry is placed aside to make room for God's children, however lost they may be. People respond much better when they are treated like human beings rather than cast-outs and in exercising some compassion we can minister truth to these people, if they reject us for speaking truth then so be it but we can rest in the fact that we did what was right in the eyes of the Lord rather than form a posse to run them off, or cave to the pressures of liberal humanity."
Paul---by inspiration: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; and changed the glory (character) of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things." Romans 1:17ff.
I note here that Paul is not faulting anyone but the individual that chooses to change the character of the God that has revealed himself. We are not at liberty to pussy foot around with those who choose to change the character of the uncorruptible God.
Paul has written: "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." The word is "wrath" here, not "love."
"God HAS revealed himself"---not by whispering in the sinner's ear, or by shadowy, subconscious feedback in a moment of inexplicit, sensual, telepathic hunches.
But God has "revealed from the heavens the creation of the world. That which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shown it unto them."
Let the Word speak--"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world CLEARLY seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without EXCUSE."
When men cannot look into the heavens and see the Hand of a Creator---there isn't a hell of a lot I can do for him. "Because that when they KNEW God, they glorified him NOT as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their IMAGINATIONS. Please note where men become VAIN.
J.W. McGarvey writes: "The audacity of the attempt to reason God out of existence has invariably turned the brain of man (Ps. 53:1), and the excess of self-conceit and vanity developed by such an undertaking has uniformly resulted in pitiable folly." (Commentary on Romans).
I have been around barn yard animals all my life. I have found that no matter how I pet and make over them with fidelity and tasty treats today---tomorrow they will revert back to animals.
These "four legged creatures" (I never fool around with feathered fowl) have an excuse--man does NOT.
Paul writes: "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of THEIR own hearts, to dishonor THEIR own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever Amen."
Now, for you pansy preachers with love in your innards the following is "R" rated so you may want to go over to the theological forum and join in with the Kumbaya singers. --But, don't say I didn't tell ya---
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even THEIR women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of THEIR error."
Until men come to the realization that this is SIN in the mind of God-- where man is LOST, you can pray against this sin till your socks fall off, but only in the gospel is there found the "power" to change the mind of men to turn to God. "For it is appointed unto men once to die, but after that the judgment" (Hebrews 9:27). He will judge men by the authority found in His words, written by His apostles (John 17:20; Acts 2:42), not the Presbyterian Church's "Book of Order."
"And even as THEY did not like to retain God in THEIR knowledge, God GAVE THEM over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting.
Interesting is it not--
While the Presbyterian Church has decided by a vote of 429 to 175 to hook these reprobates up by a vote. "God has given them over to a reprobate mind."
When God gives up on you---it is not about "hate," it is about "choice." Choice to NOT retain God "in knowledge."
Paul writes: "who knowing the judgment of God, that which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but has pleasure in them that do them."
The sin of sodomy was common among idolaters. Paul inform that when men and women slide to the depth of depravity----"death" was a just punishment for their departure from God.
So, the Presbyterian Church votes to rehabilitate this sin by marriage vows.
Really---you can't make this up-- Think I will go back and pet my old coon dog. I feel sorry for him that he doesn't have a choice---cause he is a great hound, never does he track and tree trash.