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inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #35 on: Sat Mar 03, 2012 - 20:12:21 »
Lying accusations from daq about those who read the King James version of the bible.
I read a few diffrent versions by the way. Just showing a bit of the evil posted here by some.

those who love and worship King James and his "Ye Olde English" words are not going to believe the Truth when they see it anyways, even if you post it for a full chilia ete!

The King James worshippers will lie to you and sware that Stephen was buried because King James and his court said so: therefore King James is their god.

daq say's those that read the King James version of the bible, worship King James, don't believe the truth when they see it, will lie to you, and that King James is their God.

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #36 on: Sat Mar 03, 2012 - 22:03:34 »
i think that God new how people were going to distort His Word in today's time. He wrote it knowing how we SHOULD understand it TODAY!!!!!

My God is Not Dumb!!!

He did not want only the theologians or the ones that went to seminary to be the only ones to be able to understand the Word!!!!!

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Both the YGB and the KJV follow the Textus Receptus:

Acts 8:2 KJV
2. And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.

Acts 8:2 YGB (Young's Literal Bible)
2. and devout men carried away Stephen, and made great lamentation over him;


With all of the free Bible Tools sites online do you honestly believe laziness in this modern day and age will be excused? In addition my Bible Tools software, including the Hebrew and Greek Transliterations, twelve English Bible translations, the Complete works of Josephus, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance with all of the Original Stong's Definitions, four different complete Bible Commentaries including Henry's Concise, and also five Bible Dictionaries including Easton's; ALL of this was a mere $12.99 US Dollars at Hastings Book Store. Understand?

TWELVE DOLLARS AND NINETY NINE CENTS PLUS TAX!  ::crackup::

If you honestly believe that laziness will be excused, just because you confessed at one time or another that you "believe" then you have been sorely deceived, and if you think that your once upon a time belief is all you need to enter into Life then you are surely deceived:

James 2:17-20 KJV
17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Mark 16:15-16 KJV
15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


A simple "belief" is not enough; even the devils believe, and tremble. One must be Baptized INTO Christ: even as Saul was used to baptize Stephen, and then his name was changed to Stephanas. Then Saul himself was baptized, and he gave his testimony at Antipatris-Antipas, and the "old man" was slain, and his name was changed to Paul.

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #37 on: Sat Mar 03, 2012 - 22:07:03 »
"For the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first,

afterwards we who are living, who are remaining over, shall be caught away to join them (NEB) through the clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be."
End End



My KJV doesn't have the word "afterwards" I guess thus was added later....

See that word makes all the difference in our two bibles....

My bible teaches at one time and yours teaches something else..


What version is your bible that has this word?


Lying accusations from daq about those who read the King James version of the bible.
I read a few diffrent versions by the way. Just showing a bit of the evil posted here by some.

those who love and worship King James and his "Ye Olde English" words are not going to believe the Truth when they see it anyways, even if you post it for a full chilia ete!

The King James worshippers will lie to you and sware that Stephen was buried because King James and his court said so: therefore King James is their god.

daq say's those that read the King James version of the bible, worship King James, don't believe the truth when they see it, will lie to you, and that King James is their God.


A pair of black adder vipers latching on to anyone who stirs up their wood pile:
Not knowing they have already been shaken off into the fire ...


Mark 16:15-18 KJV
15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Acts 28:3-5 KJV
3. And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5. And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.

It shall not be a fire to be warmed by ...



inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #38 on: Sun Mar 04, 2012 - 04:42:21 »
"For the Lord himself, in a shout, in the voice of a chief-messenger, and in the trump of God, shall come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ shall rise first,

afterwards we who are living, who are remaining over, shall be caught away to join them (NEB) through the clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be."
End End



My KJV doesn't have the word "afterwards" I guess thus was added later....

See that word makes all the difference in our two bibles....

My bible teaches at one time and yours teaches something else..


What version is your bible that has this word?


Lying accusations from daq about those who read the King James version of the bible.
I read a few diffrent versions by the way. Just showing a bit of the evil posted here by some.

those who love and worship King James and his "Ye Olde English" words are not going to believe the Truth when they see it anyways, even if you post it for a full chilia ete!

The King James worshippers will lie to you and sware that Stephen was buried because King James and his court said so: therefore King James is their god.

daq say's those that read the King James version of the bible, worship King James, don't believe the truth when they see it, will lie to you, and that King James is their God.


A pair of black adder vipers latching on to anyone who stirs up their wood pile:
Not knowing they have already been shaken off into the fire ...




It shall not be a fire to be warmed by ...




When shown his wrongs, all he can do is spew out more of the same.

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #39 on: Sun Mar 04, 2012 - 08:44:35 »
When shown his wrongs, all he can do is spew out more of the same.

I would have loved to see the look on the face of the search & rescue dog, after it crawled through the wreck of the Costa Concordia only to find itself in a cabin with two Koreans.

Italian Police are still interviewing the Korean Honeymoon couple found on the Costa Concordia as to the whereabouts of the rescue dog that first found them.

::youmakemesick::  ::puking::

The only thing you have proven is that you are indeed completely naked. What kind of person thinks it is appropriate and clean to tell jokes in a Christian forum about people that recently died in a capsized cruise ship accident? What kind of person uses that same context to make racial slurs about a Korean couple eating the search and rescue dog that found them? That kind of garbage would normally not even be appropriate in a worldly forum for just about any non-believing category one can imagine. What happened to you? Did you already get banned from all the atheist forums? The only thing you prove is that you are either spiritually dead, having never been regenerated, or that you are of the twice dead kind.

2 Peter 2:17-22 KJV
17. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
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thethinker

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #40 on: Sun Mar 04, 2012 - 08:52:25 »
1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

preserved is "tereo" in the greek, it means to "guard, keep"
but it's not just be preserved, it's "be preserved blameless"

kept blameless, and it's not just for those Paul was talking to through his letter, it's also for christians today who read that same letter.

The word "blamesess" is erroneous translation. The the Greek means "integrated."

Illustration: If the foundation of a house gets a crack in it we say that its integrity has been compromised because a disintegration or separation has occurred.

Paul said that their BODY, soul and spirit would be kept (preserved) integrated until the Lord's coming. This means that their BODY, soul and spirit would NOT be separated by anything including death. Therefore, their corporeal lives would remain until the Lord's coming.

Paul told them in his second epistle that they would get relief from THEIR persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

If the Lord did not return from heaven to give THEM relief AS PROMISED, then He cannot be trusted.

It couldn't be more clear!

thinker

inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #41 on: Sun Mar 04, 2012 - 16:50:06 »
1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

preserved is "tereo" in the greek, it means to "guard, keep"
but it's not just be preserved, it's "be preserved blameless"

kept blameless, and it's not just for those Paul was talking to through his letter, it's also for christians today who read that same letter.

The word "blamesess" is erroneous translation. The the Greek means "integrated."

Illustration: If the foundation of a house gets a crack in it we say that its integrity has been compromised because a disintegration or separation has occurred.

Paul said that their BODY, soul and spirit would be kept (preserved) integrated until the Lord's coming. This means that their BODY, soul and spirit would NOT be separated by anything including death. Therefore, their corporeal lives would remain until the Lord's coming.

Paul told them in his second epistle that they would get relief from THEIR persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

If the Lord did not return from heaven to give THEM relief AS PROMISED, then He cannot be trusted.

It couldn't be more clear!

thinker
Clear as mud.
Tell your mate daq that a joke is just a joke, whether funny or not.  ::nodding::

inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #42 on: Sun Mar 04, 2012 - 16:57:06 »
daq:
The only thing you have proven is that you are indeed completely naked
Did you already get banned from all the atheist forums?
you are either spiritually dead, having never been regenerated,
or that you are of the twice dead kind.

It wasn't the best joke i agree, but all of the accusations daq, post after post, are you the accuser? you know you take after him.

thethinker

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #43 on: Mon Mar 05, 2012 - 08:59:04 »
1Th 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

preserved is "tereo" in the greek, it means to "guard, keep"
but it's not just be preserved, it's "be preserved blameless"

kept blameless, and it's not just for those Paul was talking to through his letter, it's also for christians today who read that same letter.

The word "blamesess" is erroneous translation. The the Greek means "integrated."

Illustration: If the foundation of a house gets a crack in it we say that its integrity has been compromised because a disintegration or separation has occurred.

Paul said that their BODY, soul and spirit would be kept (preserved) integrated until the Lord's coming. This means that their BODY, soul and spirit would NOT be separated by anything including death. Therefore, their corporeal lives would remain until the Lord's coming.

Paul told them in his second epistle that they would get relief from THEIR persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

If the Lord did not return from heaven to give THEM relief AS PROMISED, then He cannot be trusted.

It couldn't be more clear!

thinker
Clear as mud.
Tell your mate daq that a joke is just a joke, whether funny or not.  ::nodding::

Why do you deny the scriptures? Did not Paul PROMISE the Thessalonians that THEY would get relief from THEIR persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven"?

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We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.


In verse 7 Paul CLEARLY said that God would give them rest from their persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed form heaven." Why do you disobey this word? And how can you expext that God will keep a promise to you if He broke His promise to the Thessalonians? If Jesus did not come back from heaven and deliver them AS PROMISED, then you have nothing by way of assurance. Why can't you understand this?

You have LOST the argument!

thinker




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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #44 on: Mon Mar 05, 2012 - 18:02:38 »
thethinker:
Why do you deny the scriptures?
Why do you disobey this word?

Ha ha, when you and others of like mind have nothing, which is often, then you accuse, it's the way of some, however not God's way.
It's your interpertation of scriptures that I deny.

You are wrong, the Lord Jesus hasn't yet been revealed from heaven.


thethinker:
You have LOST the argument!

thinker

No arguments there, just the typical accusations of denying scripture and his Word, because you believe Christ came in ad70 abouts, and I believe it's still future.

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Some are just like him.

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #45 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 08:58:18 »

Ha ha, when you and others of like mind have nothing, which is often, then you accuse, it's the way of some, however not God's way.
It's your interpertation of scriptures that I deny.


I am still waiting for YOUR interpretation of Paul's assertion that the Thessalonians would get relief from THEIR persecutions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

I'm waiting....

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You are wrong, the Lord Jesus hasn't yet been revealed from heaven.


You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you? That's what C.S.Lewis said. He said that Jesus and the Apostles were wrong. Why won't you guys just be honest about it?

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No arguments there, just the typical accusations of denying scripture and his Word, because you believe Christ came in ad70 abouts, and I believe it's still future.

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Some are just like him.

 
Wouldn't the accused brethren be the tribulation Jews? How can you be among the accused if you're not going to be there and you're not a Jew? Or do you believe that you will be in the so called "future" tribulation after all?

You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

thinker

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #46 on: Tue Mar 06, 2012 - 20:55:12 »
thethinker:
You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you?
Why won't you guys just be honest about it?
You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

You havn't gathered by now, I don't answer questions from accusers.  ::nodding::

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #47 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 11:51:21 »
thethinker:
You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you?
Why won't you guys just be honest about it?
You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

You havn't gathered by now, I don't answer questions from accusers.  ::nodding::

You might want to go ahead... I understand talking to walls who have made up their minds that they are right no matter what... believe me, after 20 + years of doing it... but you might respond when you feel the need to show others that there are indeed answers to those who endlessly accuse and who never seek truth (only to brow beat those who do not believe what thy believe).

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #48 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 14:16:41 »
thethinker:
You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you?
Why won't you guys just be honest about it?
You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

You havn't gathered by now, I don't answer questions from accusers.  ::nodding::

Inthenow has found a way to duck out of the conversation and save face. I answer those who accuse me of heresy.

thinker

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #49 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 17:08:18 »
thethinker:
You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you?
Why won't you guys just be honest about it?
You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

You havn't gathered by now, I don't answer questions from accusers.  ::nodding::

Inthenow has found a way to duck out of the conversation and save face. I answer those who accuse me of heresy.

thinker
::noworries:: perhaps inthenow is just telling the truth thinker.

inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #50 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 17:31:52 »
thethinker:
You really mean that Paul was wrong don't you?
Why won't you guys just be honest about it?
You guys can't even apply your theology consistently.

You havn't gathered by now, I don't answer questions from accusers.  ::nodding::

You might want to go ahead... I understand talking to walls who have made up their minds that they are right no matter what... believe me, after 20 + years of doing it... but you might respond when you feel the need to show others that there are indeed answers to those who endlessly accuse and who never seek truth (only to brow beat those who do not believe what thy believe).
I used to show them where they are wrong with scriptures, but some take no notice and make the same claims over and over, I'm really not interisted in replying to them again and again on the same matters, thinker just wants to be heard and try and convince everyone that he is right about everything.
have you ever seen his posts beginning with  " TO ALL" ::smile::

inthenow

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #51 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 17:33:59 »
I still jump in with posts ocassionally, gems usually  ::nodding::

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Re: 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
« Reply #52 on: Wed Mar 07, 2012 - 20:01:01 »
True. And I understand.  ::giggle::