I don't read Hal Lindsey or Tim Lahaye or other Left Behind books, so I have only the Bible as my guide.
Jesus will come when God tells Him to and not before. This is another thread the same as the one you started earlier.I notice you did not answer the question again. Did Jesus lie?
Why are you driven to think you have to convince everyone that Jesus has already come when we all know he hasn't? I dont feel driven to convince you He hasn't, because you will find out soon enough.
Anything which can enhance and improve your relationship with God is important. Would you not like to know if your understanding of Scripture is off by even a small degree, and would you not agree that if the Kingdom of God is a present reality that is a rather important issue to be aware of? Eschatology affects virtually all aspects of Christianity; in fact almost every message preached by Jesus had an eschatological aspect to it: the message was often about critical issues like the coming Kingdom of God and the restoration of God’s presence to people’s lives.
The apparent belief that failure of these prophesies to come true has led to skepticism about the reliability of the Bible and the deity of Christ. Preterism solves this problem by maintaining that these prophecies did, in fact, have a first century fulfillment. If Preterist eschatology is true, then Christians can offer a much MORE POSITIVE PERSPECTIVE to the world, rather than a fatalistic end of the world where our actions make no difference. If we are confident as Christians that WE CAN POSITIVELY INFLUENCE THE WORLD around us, we can perhaps motivate believers to actively be involved in helping the poor, caring for the environment, actively participate in politics and preserving the world for all future generations. PRETERISM OFFERS HOPS and maintains the integrity of the Scripture and of the entire Christian faith while it defends it against other religions and Christian cults that place the Second Coming of Jesus after A.D. 70.
Happy22 said these words:"Preterism solves this problem by maintaining that these prophecies did, in fact, have a first century fulfillment."
Preterism is a lie. Your corrupt system is supported not by the word of God, but must use extra-biblical means, such as, history to even give it any credibility, or consideration by some serious believers. You house of cards are built upon sound bites and history, period. A wise man can easy see through the corruption that your theology is built upon. Your system is a hopeless system, that has no blessed hope for Believers to hope for.
I must run, but shall return.
It appears from the scriptures that the chief concern of Jesus was to bring about the Kingdom of God. The two major issues with the Kingdom are of timing and nature, allowing Preterism to offer solid answers to those seeking questions about the Kingdom:
The Timing of the Kingdom
Was “at hand”
Was to come “in the days of the kings” described in Daniel 2 (i.e. the first century)
The Nature of the Kingdom
Is “not of this world”
Is a “new way of thinking”
It will “renew” the creation, especially the hearts of men
It is therefore unreasonable for Christians to expect the Kingdom of God to be anything other than a spiritual reality. The purpose of Jesus was to bring good news to the poor, freedom to prisoners, and comfort to those who mourn (see Isaiah 61). Jesus did not come to institute an earthly kingdom in which He would rule in a theocratic-style dictatorship; rather he came to free us from our presuppositions, from sin and its guilt, and bring healing to our hearts. Yes, the Kingdom of God did come in the first century and it is a present reality.
1. "I don't read Hal Lindsey or Tim Lahaye or other Left Behind books."
Neither do I, I reject their teachings as false, but that within itself does not make your doctrine true, nor mine.
2. " so I have only the Bible as my guide."
So do I, again that makes neither your position, or mine correct base upon that point.
3. "It appears from the scriptures that the chief concern of Jesus was to bring about the Kingdom of God." The chief mission was to do the will of God in the place of his elect, first and foremost, and then lay down his perfect life for their sins, which he did and God highly exalted him to his right hand of power, far above all principality, powers, might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come, which all of the true saints patiently are waiting for~for him to come and to receive them unto himself, that where he is, there will be for eternity, world without end. He has not yet gather us unto himself as he has promised to do and as Paul and the other holy and true apostles promised us in their writing that we have as a faithful witness to trust in. Eph. 1:21; 1 Thess. 4; 2 Thess. 1 and two.
4. " the Kingdom of God."~The kingdom of God is revealed to us in a few sense in the scriptures. The final phase of the kingdom where neither flesh or blood can enter, is what we are now waiting for, that shall be in the new heaven and earth. Your false doctrine has eliminated that phase of God's kingdom from your corrupt system. That phase of the kingdom of God is yet in the future. Daniel 2:35; 7:22, 27; 1 Cor. 15. God Almighty is putting all of Christ's enemies under his feet, and when the very last enemy (death) shall be totally destroyed, then the glorious anticipated kingdom shall appear, and then we shall sit down with Abraham, Issac, and David, and with Him whom my soul loveth, Jesus, my glorious redeemer, and then shall be brought to pass that saying that Jesus said: "For they SHALL SEE GOD".... Oh bless the LORD oh my soul!
5. "The two major issues with the Kingdom are of timing and nature"
The major issue is being faithful with the scriptures overall, so that they will yield to us their true interpretation and for us not to force them to say what we want them to say, in order to defend our camp.
Happy22, I do not disagree that the kingdom of God is spiritual in nature, of course it is. That's easy proven from the scriptures themselves, if we allow them to speak and not us forcing our wills and doctrines upon them. No problem from me on this point.
As far as "Timing" goes~Jesus is ruling now over the house of David base upon Peter's words in Acts 2:22-36~specifically verses 31-36. Agree. And, also, this reign of Lord Jesus over the tabernacle of David, is strictly spiritual in nature~no problem concerning this point either. But where you and bible believing, God fearing Christians will different is that we all believe in a "bodily coming of Jesus Christ to destroy this world, not just the nation of Israel, and give the kingdoms of this world to the children of God, and they shall reign forever more, without any of the generation of the wicked being mixed among them. Your timing does not include this, but has cancelled it out of the word of God.
6. " Preterism to offer solid answers to those seeking questions about the Kingdom:" Only in your wishful thinking, and your desire to cause the simple to follow your corruption of the word of God. You and your cohorts have stamped so much of the word of God "fulfilled in 70 A.D.!" Even to a point that you have no bodily resurrection and no revelation coming of Jesus Christ, and I will add this: your system removes all of the warnings of the scriptures to God's people concerning the great falling away and the revealing of the man of sin/antichrist/abomination of desolation that is spoken of several times in Daniel, Matthew 24, 2 Thess. 2; 2 Timothy 3-4:5; and Revelation. I ask this question: WHO WOULD WANT THOSE WARNINGS REMOVED OR DENIED? So as, to leave God's children unprepared for the evil days of the latter days of this world! Men like you are being used to leave God's children in darkness and a easy prey to not be prepared in the mist of the great tribulation that is coming, yea in now at hand. 70 A.D. was not the great tribulation period spoken of by Jesus Christ, but your position teaches that lie, one of many.
I am going to stop, but do not mind for one second to finish answering the other points. Maybe time will allow me to do so later. Nothing that I have not dealt with many times before.