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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #270 on: January 10, 2012, 03:41:30 PM »

I can only hope and pray that God has mercy on Biblical ignorance. However, he won't have mercy on those who claim Christ and only have a head knowledge of Him and not a heart knowledge.

Do you really hope that? Because I haven't seen you give mercy too much here. More condemnation than anything. I agree, heart knowledge is essential. The evidence of this is in a transformed life, when a person who once loved sin and lived happily in it turns to Jesus in faith, trusting Him as Lord and Savior, walking with Him in humility and obedience, seeking to see as He opens their understanding. Merryone, I don't deny that you love the Lord as I do. We have the same King, we are blessed by the same blood of Calvary, we desire to obey the commandments of the same Lawgiver, who writes His laws on our hearts. We both believe His promises as we understand them. Our difference, in my mind, consists of your being convinced that God has yet to fulfill them and my conviction that He already has in Christ.

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« Reply #271 on: January 10, 2012, 03:58:57 PM »

I can only hope and pray that God has mercy on Biblical ignorance. However, he won't have mercy on those who claim Christ and only have a head knowledge of Him and not a heart knowledge.

Do you really hope that? Because I haven't seen you give mercy too much here. More condemnation than anything. I agree, heart knowledge is essential. The evidence of this is in a transformed life, when a person who once loved sin and lived happily in it turns to Jesus in faith, trusting Him as Lord and Savior, walking with Him in humility and obedience, seeking to see as He opens their understanding. Merryone, I don't deny that you love the Lord as I do. We have the same King, we are blessed by the same blood of Calvary, we desire to obey the commandments of the same Lawgiver, who writes His laws on our hearts. We both believe His promises as we understand them. Our difference, in my mind, consists of your being convinced that God has yet to fulfill them and my conviction that He already has in Christ.

O contraire, mon ami!  They do not have the same King.  For them, He [Jesus] is NOT reigning.  For Him to be reigning, it must mean that He has a kingdom to be reigning over.  This they willfully deny.

Jesus spoke only of THE kingdom.  The apostles only spoke of THE kingdom.  There is only one kingdom.  This they deny also.  Just ask them, Raggthyme...

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #272 on: January 10, 2012, 04:15:46 PM »

I can only hope and pray that God has mercy on Biblical ignorance. However, he won't have mercy on those who claim Christ and only have a head knowledge of Him and not a heart knowledge.

Do you really hope that? Because I haven't seen you give mercy too much here. More condemnation than anything. I agree, heart knowledge is essential. The evidence of this is in a transformed life, when a person who once loved sin and lived happily in it turns to Jesus in faith, trusting Him as Lord and Savior, walking with Him in humility and obedience, seeking to see as He opens their understanding. Merryone, I don't deny that you love the Lord as I do. We have the same King, we are blessed by the same blood of Calvary, we desire to obey the commandments of the same Lawgiver, who writes His laws on our hearts. We both believe His promises as we understand them. Our difference, in my mind, consists of your being convinced that God has yet to fulfill them and my conviction that He already has in Christ.

O contraire, mon ami!  They do not have the same King.  For them, He [Jesus] is NOT reigning.  For Him to be reigning, it must mean that He has a kingdom to be reigning over.  This they willfully deny.

Jesus spoke only of THE kingdom.  The apostles only spoke of THE kingdom.  There is only one kingdom.  This they deny also.  Just ask them, Raggthyme...

You have a very dull sense of what is truth and what isn't. There you go, correcting one of your own proselytes! Confusion abounds!

Jesus Christ is reigning. However, not physically on Earth as is promised. Right now he is reigning in his spiritual kingdom.

He's my King!
Jesus is Lord!! ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #273 on: January 10, 2012, 04:32:59 PM »
Merryone wrote:
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Only the KNOWN world at that time was reached. The world is still being reached and then the end will come...


Exactly! Jesus was speaking about the world THEN KNOWN to THEM. The mandate was fulfilled to THAT world and the end came.

Thanks!

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #274 on: January 10, 2012, 05:04:33 PM »
Merryone wrote:
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Only the KNOWN world at that time was reached. The world is still being reached and then the end will come...


Exactly! Jesus was speaking about the world THEN KNOWN to THEM. The mandate was fulfilled to THAT world and the end came.

Thanks!

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« Reply #275 on: January 10, 2012, 05:36:13 PM »
Exactly! Jesus was speaking about the world THEN KNOWN to THEM. The mandate was fulfilled to THAT world and the end came.


Looks like the thinker is trying to push his brand of dispensational exegesis

.... just depends upon which one .... right thinker?
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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #276 on: January 10, 2012, 07:32:18 PM »
"I can provide citations if you like"


I would like to see you try this with the historical record .... you cannot honestly do it

The preterist likes to take snipits of scripture out of context and then apply them to the preterist dogma

Revelation 16 must be taken in full context and the events all taken together simply do not describe the overthrow of ancient Babylon by the Medes and the Persians

Historical allegory is the preterist's favorite deception tool and the idea that diverting the Euphrates to conquer ancient Babylon is to be applied to the interpretation of Revelation 16 is a shining example

Take a scripture out of context, apply it to some past event, commit the balance of the surrounding context to allegory by escaping a literal definition, and then rely upon peoples' ignorance of recorded History

How pathetic is this meddling with the Lord's Word ..... and yet the preterist claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ

Do not for get this [Matthew 24:4-5] 
I don't think you quite understood my post.  It isn't prophecying the event that happened in the past, it's just making reference to the event, in order to say that in the future, what happens will be LIKE that event.

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #277 on: January 10, 2012, 07:34:13 PM »

Jesus Christ is reigning. However, not physically on Earth as is promised. Right now he is reigning in his spiritual kingdom.

He's my King!

Ahhhhh...the answer I expected.

For you to believe what you just said, you must believe in two kingdoms having two different natures and occurring at two different times.

Yet the Bible speaks only of THE kingdom which does not come with observation. And it is not Earth, it is earth.  The same kind of usage expressed with Cain:

Genesis 4:14-  Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.  

No one from that first century ever associated earth with the Planet Earth.  The planet hadn't even gotten its name by then.  This would come MUCH MUCH later.  So much for your ridiculous 21st century Western scientific cultural hermeneutic.




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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #278 on: January 11, 2012, 11:32:46 AM »
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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #279 on: January 11, 2012, 12:02:52 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

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« Reply #280 on: January 11, 2012, 12:44:48 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

Yes, why do you disagree with Paul's inspired statement?
Jesus is Lord!! ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #281 on: January 11, 2012, 12:51:09 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

Yes, why do you disagree with Paul's inspired statement?

I do not.  Please explain with proof (not by assertion) why you could possibly say such a thing.

It is you who believes Paul was lying.  He clearly states that the Gospel was preached in all the world, to every creature, to all the nations, and throughout the earth.

It is you who has redefined the meaning of those words to suit your own 20st century Western hermeneutic.

What Paul said could only be true if what he meant by the words "world" and "earth" was NOT the same as you believe.

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #282 on: January 11, 2012, 01:09:29 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

Yes, why do you disagree with Paul's inspired statement?

I do not.  Please explain with proof (not by assertion) why you could possibly say such a thing.

It is you who believes Paul was lying.  He clearly states that the Gospel was preached in all the world, to every creature, to all the nations, and throughout the earth.

It is you who has redefined the meaning of those words to suit your own 20st century Western hermeneutic.

What Paul said could only be true if what he meant by the words "world" and "earth" was NOT the same as you believe.

I believe everything Paul says. You, however, as a preterist, have a tiny view of things and think that only the small known world at that time was all God desired to reach. What a load of hooey.

Do you think God went to all the trouble of coming to Earth in a human body and suffered in ways that we cannot even hope to imagine for only a few people, when He knew how many billions of people need salvation? GET REAL!

Your concept of the world and time do not compare to God's. You need to have the mind of Christ to see that Jesus had all of us in 2012 in mind when he went to the cross.
Jesus is Lord!! ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #283 on: January 11, 2012, 01:46:00 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

Yes, why do you disagree with Paul's inspired statement?

I do not.  Please explain with proof (not by assertion) why you could possibly say such a thing.

It is you who believes Paul was lying.  He clearly states that the Gospel was preached in all the world, to every creature, to all the nations, and throughout the earth.

It is you who has redefined the meaning of those words to suit your own 20st century Western hermeneutic.

What Paul said could only be true if what he meant by the words "world" and "earth" was NOT the same as you believe.

I believe everything Paul says. You, however, as a preterist, have a tiny view of things and think that only the small known world at that time was all God desired to reach. What a load of hooey.

Do you think God went to all the trouble of coming to Earth in a human body and suffered in ways that we cannot even hope to imagine for only a few people, when He knew how many billions of people need salvation? GET REAL!

Your concept of the world and time do not compare to God's. You need to have the mind of Christ to see that Jesus had all of us in 2012 in mind when he went to the cross.

Ted, now we can see exactly how she misunderstands the preterist perspective on salvation. Her post is very telling.

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Re: Gospel preached to all the world before 70AD
« Reply #284 on: January 11, 2012, 01:55:41 PM »
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Thanks, Yogi.  Appreciate it.

Now, if someone would like to explain why they disagree with what the INSPIRED Apostle said regarding to the Gospel being preached to all the "world," etc.???

Yes, why do you disagree with Paul's inspired statement?

I do not.  Please explain with proof (not by assertion) why you could possibly say such a thing.

It is you who believes Paul was lying.  He clearly states that the Gospel was preached in all the world, to every creature, to all the nations, and throughout the earth.

It is you who has redefined the meaning of those words to suit your own 20st century Western hermeneutic.

What Paul said could only be true if what he meant by the words "world" and "earth" was NOT the same as you believe.

I believe everything Paul says. You, however, as a preterist, have a tiny view of things and think that only the small known world at that time was all God desired to reach. What a load of hooey.

Do you think God went to all the trouble of coming to Earth in a human body and suffered in ways that we cannot even hope to imagine for only a few people, when He knew how many billions of people need salvation? GET REAL!

Your concept of the world and time do not compare to God's. You need to have the mind of Christ to see that Jesus had all of us in 2012 in mind when he went to the cross.

Ted, now we can see exactly how she misunderstands the preterist perspective on salvation. Her post is very telling.

Why would you have a 'preterist perspective' on salvation?
Jesus is Lord!! ::clappingoverhead::