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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #135 on: March 02, 2012, 08:17:13 PM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

Yes, I'd like to know, where does it say "arrogance" is a gift of the Spirit?

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #136 on: March 03, 2012, 01:31:53 AM »
Gen 1:5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Yeah 24 hours, 1000 years would be a long time between sun rises.

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #137 on: March 04, 2012, 03:23:57 AM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

And I showed you that "at hand" in Ezekiel 12:21-28 means "in YOUR days." Then I showed you that Jesus used the expression saying, "He who betrays Me is AT HAND." Then I asked you to show from scripture when this meaning of "at hand" changed. Where in scripture did "at hand" start to mean what you say it means?

You said that Peter said that one day to the Lord IS a thousand years. He did NOT say that. He said that one day to the Lord is AS a thousand years. Therefore, the six days of creation were AS a thousand years to the Lord but six literal days to us. Consequently, THE EXPRESSION "at hand" may be AS a very long time to the Lord but to us it means "NOW." God told Israel that "at hand" meant "in YOUR days." Jesus said, He who betrays Me is "at hand." So to GOD'S PEOPLE "at hand" means exactly what it says.

BTW, I was studying the Bible when you were still eating baby food!



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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #138 on: March 04, 2012, 09:04:52 PM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

Yes, I'd like to know, where does it say "arrogance" is a gift of the Spirit?

Just fighting fire with fire.

Of course I am sure I will see you admonishing thethinker for the arrogance of his posts beginning with the title of the OP... won't I?
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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #139 on: March 04, 2012, 09:09:08 PM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

And I showed you that "at hand" in Ezekiel 12:21-28 means "in YOUR days." Then I showed you that Jesus used the expression saying, "He who betrays Me is AT HAND." Then I asked you to show from scripture when this meaning of "at hand" changed. Where in scripture did "at hand" start to mean what you say it means?

You said that Peter said that one day to the Lord IS a thousand years. He did NOT say that. He said that one day to the Lord is AS a thousand years. Therefore, the six days of creation were AS a thousand years to the Lord but six literal days to us. Consequently, THE EXPRESSION "at hand" may be AS a very long time to the Lord but to us it means "NOW." God told Israel that "at hand" meant "in YOUR days." Jesus said, He who betrays Me is "at hand." So to GOD'S PEOPLE "at hand" means exactly what it says.

BTW, I was studying the Bible when you were still eating  baby food!



thinker

I doubt that!

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
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« Reply #140 on: March 06, 2012, 08:06:49 AM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

And I showed you that "at hand" in Ezekiel 12:21-28 means "in YOUR days." Then I showed you that Jesus used the expression saying, "He who betrays Me is AT HAND." Then I asked you to show from scripture when this meaning of "at hand" changed. Where in scripture did "at hand" start to mean what you say it means?

You said that Peter said that one day to the Lord IS a thousand years. He did NOT say that. He said that one day to the Lord is AS a thousand years. Therefore, the six days of creation were AS a thousand years to the Lord but six literal days to us. Consequently, THE EXPRESSION "at hand" may be AS a very long time to the Lord but to us it means "NOW." God told Israel that "at hand" meant "in YOUR days." Jesus said, He who betrays Me is "at hand." So to GOD'S PEOPLE "at hand" means exactly what it says.

BTW, I was studying the Bible when you were still eating  baby food!



thinker

I doubt that!

JohndB70X7 <---- 51 years old.
Saved age 6 (1967)
Serious student of the Bible since 1987

I graduated from Bible College long before 1987. Then I graduated from a second Bible College after that. Then I attended Seminary after that.

I thought I saw a post inwhich you asked where the old testament scriptures taught the resurrection and a babe in Christ had to show you. So much for your claims.

Now please answer my post immediately above and my question: When did the expression "at hand" change in meaning?

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #141 on: March 06, 2012, 07:59:47 PM »
The pharasees were well educated and they knew little.
Educated on wrong doctrines.

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #142 on: March 06, 2012, 08:32:20 PM »

If you have applied Peter correctly, then I don't have to take anything in the Bible literally.[/color]

thinker

You have much to learn...

I have applied it correctly and the days of creation I showed you the context how they are not thousand year days.

Is there anything else you need to learn about the Bible?

And I showed you that "at hand" in Ezekiel 12:21-28 means "in YOUR days." Then I showed you that Jesus used the expression saying, "He who betrays Me is AT HAND." Then I asked you to show from scripture when this meaning of "at hand" changed. Where in scripture did "at hand" start to mean what you say it means?

You said that Peter said that one day to the Lord IS a thousand years. He did NOT say that. He said that one day to the Lord is AS a thousand years. Therefore, the six days of creation were AS a thousand years to the Lord but six literal days to us. Consequently, THE EXPRESSION "at hand" may be AS a very long time to the Lord but to us it means "NOW." God told Israel that "at hand" meant "in YOUR days." Jesus said, He who betrays Me is "at hand." So to GOD'S PEOPLE "at hand" means exactly what it says.

BTW, I was studying the Bible when you were still eating  baby food!



thinker

I doubt that!

JohndB70X7 <---- 51 years old.
Saved age 6 (1967)
Serious student of the Bible since 1987

I graduated from Bible College long before 1987. Then I graduated from a second Bible College after that. Then I attended Seminary after that.

I thought I saw a post inwhich you asked where the old testament scriptures taught the resurrection and a babe in Christ had to show you. So much for your claims.

Now please answer my post immediately above and my question: When did the expression "at hand" change in meaning?

thinker

And you still haven't learned apparently that God can use a shepherd in the field with the Holy Spirit tutelage to confound scholars of your level and much farther beyond.

You don't impress me one wit because you buy into a heresy (Preterism) and you try to brow beat your opponents like some cyber bully.  I enjoy showing you up immensely.

I told you when the meaning of at hand changed but you won't listen to the testimony of scripture when I said at hand to God is much longer than at hand to man.

2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

10,000 x 10,000 of you and your years of so called experience doesn't amount to a drop of water in hell if you reject the scriptures and their meaning.







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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2012, 09:43:42 AM »
JohnDB70X7 said to thethinker:
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And you still haven't learned apparently that God can use a shepherd in the field with the Holy Spirit tutelage to confound scholars of your level and much farther beyond.

It was you who first said that I don't know my Bible and I replied. Had you not started it first this exchange would not be happening.

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You don't impress me one wit because you buy into a heresy (Preterism) and you try to brow beat your opponents like some cyber bully.  I enjoy showing you up immensely.

Heresy and apostasy is strictly defined in scripture as drawing back to the old covenant (Hebrews 5-6). Do Preterists teach that animal sacrifices will be reinstituted in a future temple? No! It's you guys who teach such damnable things! What's more important to you anyway? Your soteriology or your eschatology? If your eschatology causes you to utter such foolish things about God reinstituting animal sacrifices after the blood of Christ abolished those things, then there is something gravely wrong with your eschatology.

If your eschatology causes you to "crucify the Son of God again and put Him to an open shame" then you obviously put soteriology at the bottom of your priority list. The doctrine of salvation is the MOST IMPORTANT doctrine in the Bible!

It is good for you that God is forgiving!

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I told you when the meaning of at hand changed but you won't listen to the testimony of scripture when I said at hand to God is much longer than at hand to man.

2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

God told Ezekiel that "at hand" means "in YOUR days" (Ezekiel 12:21-28). Jesus said, "he who betrays me is "at hand." Peter did not say that one day IS a thousand years to the Lord. He said that one day is AS a thousand years to the Lord. Peter applied it to the apostate's assessment of time. He did NOT say that to God's people one day is a thousand years or even as a thousand years. He was replying to the way the apostates count time.

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #144 on: March 07, 2012, 10:33:25 AM »
You just grab a scripture passage anywhere it suits you despite it's meaning? WOW...

And you are the one who began the exchange with your down speaking to futurists....

Take raggethyme's posts for example where we can be far more civil towards one another than you jumping in with rants and raves which are so easily biblically refuted...

That was my point about bible questions... 

If you are so learned and so experienced and can show us all mystery then how is it so easy to refute you with the very Bible you claim to know your way around so well?
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« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2012, 01:48:26 PM »
If you are so learned and so experienced and can show us all mystery then how is it so easy to refute you with the very Bible you claim to know your way around so well?

You haven't refuted me until you have answered my points DIRECTLY. I have given Paul's statement a million times and you have not answered.

He promised the Thessalonians that they would get relief from THEIR persectuions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

Look at what Inthenow said. All he said was, "Jesus was not revealed from heaven." That's it. That's all he said. He did NOT explain Paul's statement. That is not refuting me.

Any objective person can see that you have NOT refuted me. Deal directly and squarely with Paul's statement.

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« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2012, 02:00:58 PM »
If you are so learned and so experienced and can show us all mystery then how is it so easy to refute you with the very Bible you claim to know your way around so well?

You haven't refuted me until you have answered my points DIRECTLY. I have given Paul's statement a million times and you have not answered.

He promised the Thessalonians that they would get relief from THEIR persectuions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

Look at what Inthenow said. All he said was, "Jesus was not revealed from heaven." That's it. That's all he said. He did NOT explain Paul's statement. That is not refuting me.

Any objective person can see that you have NOT refuted me. Deal directly and squarely with Paul's statement.

thinker

I agree, stating "Jesus was not revealed from heaven" does not deal directly with Paul's statement. I do not believe I have ever seen a futurist here explain this one. (meaning 2 Thes 1:4-8...if Jesus was not revealed in their time).
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 02:10:41 PM by raggthyme »

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2012, 02:06:02 PM »
If you are so learned and so experienced and can show us all mystery then how is it so easy to refute you with the very Bible you claim to know your way around so well?

You haven't refuted me until you have answered my points DIRECTLY. I have given Paul's statement a million times and you have not answered.

He promised the Thessalonians that they would get relief from THEIR persectuions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

Look at what Inthenow said. All he said was, "Jesus was not revealed from heaven." That's it. That's all he said. He did NOT explain Paul's statement. That is not refuting me.

Any objective person can see that you have NOT refuted me. Deal directly and squarely with Paul's statement.

thinker

I agree, stating "Jesus was not revealed from heaven" does not deal directly with Paul's statement. I do not believe I have ever seen a futurist here explain this one.

Raggthyme,

Thank you and manna! To deny is NOT to refute.

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2012, 03:53:54 PM »
2Th 1:4  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5  Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
2Th 1:6  Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


These verses do not say Jesus will be revealed in their time, it is not written that those things have happened yet.
They are still resting in Christ until the events come to be.

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Re: Hey Futurists! Proof that the Revelation is NOT Literal
« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2012, 04:01:45 PM »
If you are so learned and so experienced and can show us all mystery then how is it so easy to refute you with the very Bible you claim to know your way around so well?

You haven't refuted me until you have answered my points DIRECTLY. I have given Paul's statement a million times and you have not answered.

He promised the Thessalonians that they would get relief from THEIR persectuions "when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven."

Look at what Inthenow said. All he said was, "Jesus was not revealed from heaven." That's it. That's all he said. He did NOT explain Paul's statement. That is not refuting me.

Any objective person can see that you have NOT refuted me. Deal directly and squarely with Paul's statement.

thinker
And I wouldn't, over and over again as you do, two or three times is enough.