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Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« on: April 30, 2012, 07:57:44 AM »
Modern day eschatology states that there will one day be a great persecution AGAINST THE JEWS.

I could never find such a persecution in my Bible.  However, the Bible does speak A LOT about the Jews AS THE PERSECUTORS:

Matthew 24:9 - Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 10:17 - But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;  

Matthew 23:34 - Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:  

Mark 13:9 - But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.  

Luke 12:11 - And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:  

Luke 21:12 - But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.  

John 16:2 - They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
 

What did Paul say to the 1st century Galatian church?

Galatians 4:29 - But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Galatians 4:23-24 - But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.  
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
 

Paul (as well as Jesus) made it abundantly clear that it was the old covenant adherers who were persecuting the new covenant believers in Jesus Christ!

Modern eschatology says there will be persecution against the Jews.  Sorry, but it is persecution BY THE JEWS upon the new covenant church of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 23:34-36, Acts 8:3, Acts 9:23, Acts 13:45, Acts 13:50, Acts 14:2, Acts 14:19, Acts 17:5, Acts 17:13, Acts 18:12, Acts 20:3, Acts 20:19, Acts 21:11, Acts 21:27, Acts 22:19, Acts 22:30, Acts 23:12, Acts 23:27, Acts 24:27, Acts 25:2, Acts 25:7, Acts 25:24, Acts 26:2, Acts 26:7, Acts 26:21, 2 Corinthians 11:26, Philippians 3:6, 1 Thessalonians 2:14).

Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  

Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 


Show me the NT verses that speak in regard to the Jews being persecuted.
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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 08:14:31 AM »
Unbelievers against believers.

When since Jesus died do you see Jews persecuting believers? THe Jews are being persecuted even today!

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2012, 08:19:15 AM »

When since Jesus died do you see Jews persecuting believers?

Acts 8:3, Acts 9:23, Acts 13:45, Acts 13:50, Acts 14:2, Acts 14:19, Acts 17:5, Acts 17:13, Acts 18:12, Acts 20:3, Acts 20:19, Acts 21:11, Acts 21:27, Acts 22:19, Acts 22:30, Acts 23:12, Acts 23:27, Acts 24:27, Acts 25:2, Acts 25:7, Acts 25:24, Acts 26:2, Acts 26:7, Acts 26:11, Acts 26:21, 2 Corinthians 11:26, Gal 4:29, Philippians 3:6, 1 Thessalonians 2:14).


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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 09:11:44 AM »
Modern day eschatology states that there will one day be a great persecution AGAINST THE JEWS.

I could never find such a persecution in my Bible.  However, the Bible does speak A LOT about the Jews AS THE PERSECUTORS:

Matthew 24:9 - Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Matthew 10:17 - But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;  

Matthew 23:34 - Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:  

Mark 13:9 - But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.  

Luke 12:11 - And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:  

Luke 21:12 - But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.  

John 16:2 - They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
 

What did Paul say to the 1st century Galatian church?

Galatians 4:29 - But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Galatians 4:23-24 - But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.  
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
 

Paul (as well as Jesus) made it abundantly clear that it was the old covenant adherers who were persecuting the new covenant believers in Jesus Christ!

Modern eschatology says there will be persecution against the Jews.  Sorry, but it is persecution BY THE JEWS upon the new covenant church of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 23:34-36, Acts 8:3, Acts 9:23, Acts 13:45, Acts 13:50, Acts 14:2, Acts 14:19, Acts 17:5, Acts 17:13, Acts 18:12, Acts 20:3, Acts 20:19, Acts 21:11, Acts 21:27, Acts 22:19, Acts 22:30, Acts 23:12, Acts 23:27, Acts 24:27, Acts 25:2, Acts 25:7, Acts 25:24, Acts 26:2, Acts 26:7, Acts 26:21, 2 Corinthians 11:26, Philippians 3:6, 1 Thessalonians 2:14).

Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.  

Revelation 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 


Show me the NT verses that speak in regard to the Jews being persecuted.

Jewish Christians were subjected to persecution just as were the Gentile Christians.

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 11:19:39 AM »

Show me the NT verses that speak in regard to the Jews being persecuted.

Jewish Christians were subjected to persecution just as were the Gentile Christians.

I'm trying to get unlimited space in my inbox through posting more often.

Jimmy, I think ME's question is not concerning Christians, whether Jew or Greek.. but the Jews as a national people. Where in the NT does it speak of the Jewish nation being persecuted?

Am I right MixedEmotions?

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 12:08:29 PM »

Show me the NT verses that speak in regard to the Jews being persecuted.

Jewish Christians were subjected to persecution just as were the Gentile Christians.

I'm trying to get unlimited space in my inbox through posting more often.

Jimmy, I think ME's question is not concerning Christians, whether Jew or Greek.. but the Jews as a national people. Where in the NT does it speak of the Jewish nation being persecuted?

Am I right MixedEmotions?

The people who adhered to the old covenant.  For the most part these were Hebrews.  Being a Jew is not a gene issue.  It is a faith issue.  Even the Hebrew encyclopedias note this distinction...

In the Middle East today there is a group of people who follow the Talmud.  That is not even close to the old covenant system of the OT... not even close.

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 12:31:12 PM »
Jesus was talking to His disciples in Matt 24...at that time they were all Jews! He told them that on account of His names sake (Our identification with Christ) there would be tribulation against them.

I know you disagree...but when I see a personal pronoun identifing those the Spirit will help during this terrible time of persecution, YOU!, I see it talking to ALL that the Spirit will help, and that incudes those (possibly us) in the world that profess the name of Christ.

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 03:48:57 PM »

Show me the NT verses that speak in regard to the Jews being persecuted.

Jewish Christians were subjected to persecution just as were the Gentile Christians.

I'm trying to get unlimited space in my inbox through posting more often.

Jimmy, I think ME's question is not concerning Christians, whether Jew or Greek.. but the Jews as a national people. Where in the NT does it speak of the Jewish nation being persecuted?

Am I right MixedEmotions?

The people who adhered to the old covenant.  For the most part these were Hebrews.  Being a Jew is not a gene issue.  It is a faith issue.  Even the Hebrew encyclopedias note this distinction...

In the Middle East today there is a group of people who follow the Talmud.  That is not even close to the old covenant system of the OT... not even close.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 05:14:08 PM »
What's your point, OP?
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 08:58:16 PM »
"Modern day eschatology states that there will one day be a great persecution AGAINST THE JEWS"

So do the Bible prophets tell


Jeremiah
30:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

30:4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him [Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions]:

30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

30:11For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.


To apply the preterist interpretation of the above passage of scripture for supporting their 70 AD ruse is folly ..... Jeremiah's vision was certainly not about 70 AD .... anyone who has even a basic knowledge of the first century historical record can readily see that the vision was not fulfilled in 70 AD ..... and still has not been fulfilled to this very day

..... but know this .... it will be with 100% accuracy

Teaching against the absurdity of preterism is an easy task because of the confounding impositions that this theological falsehood places upon the scriptures of the Lord's Word

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 10:02:32 PM »
AND it belongs in the Preterist sub forum.

Preterists need to get their heads around this.

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 04:47:44 PM »

Wow, what a waste of bandwidth!

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THE LORD WILL FIGHT AGAINST THE NATIONS THAT BATTLE AGAINST JERUSALEM

"Behold, the day of the LORD is coming. And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. (Zechariah 14:1-3)

"It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." (Zechariah 12:9)

DIVIDED LAND

"I will also gather all nations, and bring them to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there on account of My people, My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land." (Joel 3:2)

When Jesus comes He is judging the people that have scattered His people and divided up His land. Who are the ones that want to scatter and destory Israel today? The Muslims!

JUDGMENT ON ISRAEL'S ENEMIES

"And there shall no longer be a pricking brier or a painful thorn for the house of Israel from among all who are around them, who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Thus says the Lord GOD: When I have gathered the house of Israel from the peoples among whom they are scattered, and am hallowed in them in the sight of the Gentiles, then they will dwell in their own land which I gave to My servant Jacob. And they will dwell safely there, build houses, and plant vineyards; yes, they will dwell securely, when I execute judgments on all those around them who despise them. Then they shall know that I am the LORD their God." (Ezekiel 28:24-26)

EGYPT CONDEMNED AND CAST INTO THE PIT

"The burden against Egypt. Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud, and will come into Egypt; The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence, and the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst." (Isaiah 19:1) "Son of man, wail over the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down to the depths of the earth, her and her daughters of the famous nations, with those who go down to the Pit." (Ezekiel 32:18).

JUDGMENT ON THE PHILISTINES

Thus says the Lord GOD: "Because the Philistines dealt vengefully and took vengeance with a spiteful heart, to destroy because of the old hatred, therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "I will stretch out My hand against the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethites and destroy the remnant of the seacoast. I will execute great vengeance on them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I lay My vengeance upon them." (Ezekiel 25:15-17)

ISRAEL'S ENEMIES

"For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head. They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, and consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, 'Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more." (Psalm 83:2-4)

JUDGMENT ON EDOM (YEMEN TO SAUDI ARABIA)

"Who is this who comes from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah, this One who is glorious in His apparel, traveling in the greatness of His strength?--'I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.' Why is Your apparel red, and Your garments like one who treads in the winepress? I have trodden the winepress alone, and from the peoples no one was with Me. For I have trodden them in My anger, and trampled them in My fury; their blood is sprinkled upon My garments, and I have stained all My robes. For the day of vengeance is in My heart, and the year of My redeemed has come." (Isaiah 63:1-4)

In Isaiah 63:1-4 we see the Messiah emerging out of Edom with His robes literally sprinkled with blood. He came the first time as a lamb to be a humble servant and to die as our sacrifice, but when He returns the second time He is coming as a mighty, conquering lion.

ARMAGEDDON AND LEBANON 

In Psalm 29 we find a clear connection between the Battle of Armageddon and the nation of Lebanon: "The voice of the Lord breaks the cedars, Yes, the Lord splinters the cedars of Lebanon" (Psalms 29:5) Muslim Lebanon will be destroyed. But this passage is speaking about the Battle of Armageddon: "The voice of the Lord shakes the wilderness; The Lord shakes the wilderness of Kadesh." (Psalm 29:8) Kadesh is the valley of Megiddo "Har-Megiddo"--Armageddon: "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon" (Revelation 16:16). This is an End-Times event: "And in His temple everyone says, "Glory!"(v.9) "And the Lord sits as King forever."(v. 10).

MOAB (JORDAN) SHALL BE TRAMPLED DOWN

"And it will be said in that day: 'Behold, this is our God; we have waited for Him, and He will save us. This is the LORD; we have waited for Him; we will be glad and rejoice in His salvation.' For on this mountain the hand of the LORD will rest, and Moab shall be trampled down under Him, as straw is trampled down for the refuse heap." (Isaiah 25:9-10)

EGYPT, SUDAN, LIBYA, TURKEY AND ARABIA WILL FALL BY THE SWORD

"Cush and Put, Lydia and all Arabia, Libya and the people of the covenant land will fall by the sword along with Egypt" (Ezekiel 30:5). Put or Phut is a reference to North Africa and includes the regions west of Egypt. Lydia was a central western region of Turkey. They will all be destroyed along with the Antichrist. These nations are in "league" or in "covenant" and allied with the Antichrist.

SYRIA, IRAQ, IRAN, AND TURKEY WILL FALL BY THE SWORD

"Assyria is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword: Whose graves are set in the sides of the pit, and her company is round about her grave; all of them slain, fallen by the sword, which caused terror in the land of the living" (Ezekiel 32:22-23). Assyria and "all her company" could include several Middle Eastern nations including Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Turkey as well as Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Saudi Arabia. They will all be cast into the pit.

JORDAN, SAUDI ARABIA WILL GO DOWN TO THE PIT

"There is Edom, her kings, and all her princes, which with their might are laid by them that were slain by the sword: they shall lie with the uncircumcised, and with them that go down to the pit" (Ezekiel 32:29) In the strict sense, Edom is comprised of the southern parts of Jordan but here the text states "her kings" (plural). This encompasses Arabia. In many passages, Edom has come to represent the greater portion of the enemies of Israel that live to her south and east.

TURKEY, LEBANON WILL GO DOWN TO THE PIT

"There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Sidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit (Ezekiel 32:30). All the "princes of the North" refers to Turkey and her allies. And Sidon once again refers to Lebanon. They are both cast "down to the pit."

TURKEY AND THE TURKIC NATIONS SOUTH OF RUSSIA WILL GO DOWN TO THE PIT

The Turkic Nations include nations such as Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan: "There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living. And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the might in the land of the living." (Ezekiel 32:26-27)

TYRE, SIDON, AND PHILISTIA CONDEMNED

"Indeed, what have you to do with Me, O Tyre and Sidon, and all the coasts of Philistia? Will you retaliate against Me? But if you retaliate against Me, swiftly and speedily I will return your retaliation upon your own head." (Joel 3:4)

A WARNING TO THE ENEMIES OF MOUNT ZION

"It shall even be as when a hungry man dreams, and look--he eats, but he awakes, and his soul is still empty; or as when a thirsty man dreams, and look--he drinks; but he awakes, and indeed he is faint, and his soul still craves: so the multitude of all the nations shall be, who fights against Mount Zion." (Isaiah 29:8)

LEBANON WILL FALL

"He will cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, and Lebanon will fall by the Mighty One." (Isaiah 10:34)

THE LORD WILL FIGHT FOR MOUNT ZION

For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof. As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it. (Isaiah 31:4-5)

ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWS

"I will accept you as a sweet aroma when I bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you have been scattered; and I will be hallowed in you before the Gentiles. Then you shall know that I am the LORD, when I bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for which I raised My hand in an oath to give to your fathers." (Ezekiel 20:41-42)

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Re: Persecution AGAINST the Jews in the "time of the end"
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2012, 07:16:56 PM »
"THE LORD WILL FIGHT FOR MOUNT ZION"
"A WARNING TO THE ENEMIES OF MOUNT ZION"


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Who does Mount Zion represent in your understanding?
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"THE LORD WILL FIGHT FOR MOUNT ZION"
"A WARNING TO THE ENEMIES OF MOUNT ZION"


Who does Mount Zion represent in your understanding?


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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She is the mother of all spiritual Jews being circumcised of the heart believing Jew and Gentile the one new man.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
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Gentiles in Christ have been brought into the commonwealth of Israel, meaning with the believing Jews. Our FIRST work is the cast the unbelieving Jews out of their old covenant that holds them bondage and bring them in the new covenant that God promised them. For the children of the flesh are not the inheritors of the promise. Only those who abide in Christ. If the Jews did not have to accept Christ to be saved, then he would not have come to them first! There are only 7,000 OT devout Jews who will be saved by grace as mentioned in
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
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Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
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Those at the present time are the same 7,000 souls who came out of their graves after Jesus was resurrected. Once he paid the sin debt and the Spirit of God was then able to breathe the breath of life in them. They had been in the bosom of Abraham awaiting that day. They are the bones of Ezek 37 spoken of that came out of the rattle-shake(earthquake)

 Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
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That was the WHOLE house of OT Israel, all after that must accept Christ to be saved. God did not cast them aside so that they could not be saved, but they are just as Gentiles given over to their sin.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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