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Satan is in the lake of fire
« on: August 05, 2011, 11:18:06 AM »
TO ALL,

The thousands of years were fulfilled during the old testament period when satan was bound. John's vision in Revelation 20 took him BACK IN TIME. John said that he saw the "ANCIENT serpent" in a great chain and cast into the abyss. John saw the "ANCIENT serpent" cast into the abyss. The proof that satan was bound during the ot period is that there was no satanic activity during the old testament period.

Then John's vision takes him to the "little season" in His present time. The "little season" was that period of time between Christ's first and second comings. This is when satan was loosed. This is the very first time we see satanic activity since the temptation in the garden. There was no satanic activity after the garden incident UNTIL Christ appeared. The absence of ALL satanic activity before Christ proves that satan was bound until Christ's first coming.

Thus the first saints were in the "little season" but in the end of it. We know this to be true because satan's judgment was NEAR TO THEM. Jesus said, "NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out" (John 12:32). Paul said that satan would be "SHORTLY" dashed to pieces under the feet of the first Christians (Rom. 16:20). So satan was dashed to pieces under THEIR feet and subsequently cast into the lake of fire.

So here is the true biblical chronology:

1. Satan bound around the time he was cursed in the garden and throughout the old testament period (no satanic activity).

2. He was loosed for the "little season" between Christ's first coming and His second coming in ad70 (all kinds of satanic activity during this time).

3. He was judged in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire (mankind is the sole source of all evil now).

4. We are in the new earth which is the eternal new covenant age (The first heaven and earth were the old covenant, Deuteronomy chaps 30-32. The physical heaven and earth has no prophetic relevance).

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 12:27:47 PM »
I always enjoy a good stretch after lunch...
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 12:46:53 PM »
I always enjoy a good stretch after lunch...

That's it?

And the God of peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet SHORTLY.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Romans 16:20


TO ALL,

The first saints saw satan crushed under THEIR feet. Apparently apokalupsis can't handle the Bible's chronology.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 12:54:48 PM »
I always enjoy a good stretch after lunch...

That's it?

And the God of peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet SHORTLY.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Romans 16:20


TO ALL,

The first saints saw satan crushed under THEIR feet. Apparently apokalupsis can't handle the Bible's chronology.

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The Bible gives a chronology in Genesis chapter 1. 

Please produce anything similar for yours.

If you can't, then you must really mean apokalupsis can't handle your "interpretation".



and THAT would be much closer to the truth.  lol

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 12:59:33 PM »
TO ALL,

The thousands of years were fulfilled during the old testament period when satan was bound. John's vision in Revelation 20 took him BACK IN TIME. John said that he saw the "ANCIENT serpent" in a great chain and cast into the abyss. John saw the "ANCIENT serpent" cast into the abyss. The proof that satan was bound during the ot period is that there was no satanic activity during the old testament period.

Then John's vision takes him to the "little season" in His present time. The "little season" was that period of time between Christ's first and second comings. This is when satan was loosed. This is the very first time we see satanic activity since the temptation in the garden. There was no satanic activity after the garden incident UNTIL Christ appeared. The absence of ALL satanic activity before Christ proves that satan was bound until Christ's first coming.

Thus the first saints were in the "little season" but in the end of it. We know this to be true because satan's judgment was NEAR TO THEM. Jesus said, "NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out" (John 12:32). Paul said that satan would be "SHORTLY" dashed to pieces under the feet of the first Christians (Rom. 16:20). So satan was dashed to pieces under THEIR feet and subsequently cast into the lake of fire.

So here is the true biblical chronology:

1. Satan bound around the time he was cursed in the garden and throughout the old testament period (no satanic activity).

2. He was loosed for the "little season" between Christ's first coming and His second coming in ad70 (all kinds of satanic activity during this time).

3. He was judged in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire (mankind is the sole source of all evil now).

4. We are in the new earth which is the eternal new covenant age (The first heaven and earth were the old covenant, Deuteronomy chaps 30-32. The physical heaven and earth has no prophetic relevance).

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1Ch 21:1   And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Job 1:6   Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7   And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 1:8   And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 1:9   Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Job 1:12   And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Job 2:1   Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 2:2   And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:3   And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 2:4   And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

Job 2:6   And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he [is] in thine hand; but save his life.

Job 2:7   So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

Psa 109:6  Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Zec 3:1   And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2011, 01:13:09 PM »
Besides, talking about people to other people, while in front of them is totally rude.  

but to enjoy some stretching...


The absence of ALL satanic activity before Christ proves that satan was bound until Christ's first coming.

You mean besides times like Genesis 3, Job 1-2, I Chronicles 21, or Zechariah 3?

John's vision in Revelation 20 took him BACK IN TIME

I assume then that the judgment of God on all mankind was also something that took place BACK IN TIME.  But what about the destruction of Death?  Death is thrown into the Lake of Fire as well.  Is Death no longer around?

And if Satan walks around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour as Peter says, then how is Satan also in the Lake of Fire?  Or does this verse not apply to us?  And does the verse from Paul who writes that we are not unaware of Satan's schemes, also not apply to us?

So satan was dashed to pieces under THEIR feet and subsequently cast into the lake of fire.

See, the subsequently claim there is actually not in Romans 16:19.

That's in Revelation 20 which you claim is back in time because there is no Satanic activity at all (except that there was actually) and because John called him an ANCIENT serpent?  

Well God is the Ancient of Days but I feel like He's also around today.

In other words, I find those claims to be a ..... stretch.
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2011, 01:28:28 PM »
TO ALL,

The thousands of years were fulfilled during the old testament period when satan was bound. John's vision in Revelation 20 took him BACK IN TIME. John said that he saw the "ANCIENT serpent" in a great chain and cast into the abyss. John saw the "ANCIENT serpent" cast into the abyss. The proof that satan was bound during the ot period is that there was no satanic activity during the old testament period.

Then John's vision takes him to the "little season" in His present time. The "little season" was that period of time between Christ's first and second comings. This is when satan was loosed. This is the very first time we see satanic activity since the temptation in the garden. There was no satanic activity after the garden incident UNTIL Christ appeared. The absence of ALL satanic activity before Christ proves that satan was bound until Christ's first coming.

Thus the first saints were in the "little season" but in the end of it. We know this to be true because satan's judgment was NEAR TO THEM. Jesus said, "NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out" (John 12:32). Paul said that satan would be "SHORTLY" dashed to pieces under the feet of the first Christians (Rom. 16:20). So satan was dashed to pieces under THEIR feet and subsequently cast into the lake of fire.

So here is the true biblical chronology:

1. Satan bound around the time he was cursed in the garden and throughout the old testament period (no satanic activity).

2. He was loosed for the "little season" between Christ's first coming and His second coming in ad70 (all kinds of satanic activity during this time).

3. He was judged in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire (mankind is the sole source of all evil now).

4. We are in the new earth which is the eternal new covenant age (The first heaven and earth were the old covenant, Deuteronomy chaps 30-32. The physical heaven and earth has no prophetic relevance).

thinker

1Ch 21:1   And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Job 1:6   Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7   And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 1:8   And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 1:9   Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

Job 1:12   And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath [is] in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Job 2:1   Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 2:2   And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Job 2:3   And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 2:4   And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

Job 2:6   And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he [is] in thine hand; but save his life.

Job 2:7   So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

Psa 109:6  Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Zec 3:1   And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.


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Joyfullee,

The word "sawtawn" in the Hebrew simply means "accuser." So 1 Chronicles should read, "And an accuser stood up against Israel...." The "accuser" that stood against Israel was God:

"And the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel and He moved David against them...." 2 Samuel 24:1

Job's "accuser" (sawtawn) was a man.

Psalm 109:6 simply means "accuser"

"Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand." NKJV

In Zechariah God was the "Adversary" (sawtawn) and the Angel of God (Christ) was Joshua's Advocate:

" 1And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him." Young's Literal Translation

The translations which say "satan" are wrong.

Satan was bound throughout the old testament period. He was loosed for the "little season" between the two comings of Christ. It was not until then that we see satanic activity. He was judged in the first century and cast into the lake of fire.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2011, 01:33:12 PM »
apokalupsis wrote:
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Besides, talking about people to other people, while in front of them is totally rude.

And belittling remarks in front of others like, "I enjoy a good" stretch after lunch" without offering a thought out reply is rude. But I apologize for my response.

Please see my post to Joyfullee immediately above.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2011, 01:39:31 PM »
Rev. 12:9
Rev. 12:10
Rev. 12:11
Rev. 12:12


From Strong's for:  Satan  (Satanas)  proper masculine noun

Noun = name of a person, place or thing


1) adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to

a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ

1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin

2) circumventing men by his wiles

3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control

4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases

5) by God's assistance he is overcome

6) on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment

b) a Satan-like man
Rom. 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 01:53:02 PM »
TO ALL,

The thousands of years were fulfilled during the old testament period when satan was bound. John's vision in Revelation 20 took him BACK IN TIME. John said that he saw the "ANCIENT serpent" in a great chain and cast into the abyss. John saw the "ANCIENT serpent" cast into the abyss. The proof that satan was bound during the ot period is that there was no satanic activity during the old testament period.

Then John's vision takes him to the "little season" in His present time. The "little season" was that period of time between Christ's first and second comings. This is when satan was loosed. This is the very first time we see satanic activity since the temptation in the garden. There was no satanic activity after the garden incident UNTIL Christ appeared. The absence of ALL satanic activity before Christ proves that satan was bound until Christ's first coming.

Thus the first saints were in the "little season" but in the end of it. We know this to be true because satan's judgment was NEAR TO THEM. Jesus said, "NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out" (John 12:32). Paul said that satan would be "SHORTLY" dashed to pieces under the feet of the first Christians (Rom. 16:20). So satan was dashed to pieces under THEIR feet and subsequently cast into the lake of fire.

So here is the true biblical chronology:

1. Satan bound around the time he was cursed in the garden and throughout the old testament period (no satanic activity).

2. He was loosed for the "little season" between Christ's first coming and His second coming in ad70 (all kinds of satanic activity during this time).

3. He was judged in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire (mankind is the sole source of all evil now).

4. We are in the new earth which is the eternal new covenant age (The first heaven and earth were the old covenant, Deuteronomy chaps 30-32. The physical heaven and earth has no prophetic relevance).

thinker

This analysis of the "thousand years"  makes sense. 

Then it must be that in Revelation 20, it seems God uses the "thousand years" as an expression of "a long time"  TWICE?  - and the "deceiving of the nations" in the first expression of the "thousand years" only applied to Israel.

I say that because the apostles- who didn't take the mark of the beast during the N.T. time- who were promised to sit on thrones judging (not literal judges like in the O.T though) the 12 tribes of Israel- that would have to be a separate expression of God using "a thousand years"  reigning with Christ   - since Satan was loosed for his little season during the N.T. time?

And by "satanic activity" do you mean Satan indwelling in people? What is the difference between Satan being bound and being loosed? 
Is his power only curtailed or defeated by those in Christ- or can Satan not affect anyone anymore in reality?

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »
Rev. 12:9
Rev. 12:10
Rev. 12:11
Rev. 12:12


From Strong's for:  Satan  (Satanas)  proper masculine noun

Noun = name of a person, place or thing


1) adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to

a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ

1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin

2) circumventing men by his wiles

3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control

4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases

5) by God's assistance he is overcome

6) on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment

b) a Satan-like man

Strong's first definition of the Hebrew "sawtawn" is "an opponent" (Strong's# 7854). The first definition is the PRIMARY definition.

In 1 Chronicles 21:1 God was Israel's "opponent." We are CLEARLY told this in 2 Samuel 24:1. It explicitly says that it was God who moved David against Israel. There is no old tesatament evidence that satan was active after he was cursed in the garden. John's vision went back to the binding of the "ANCIENT serpent." He was loosed when Christ appeared and judged at Christ's second appearance in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 02:13:05 PM »
Rev. 12:9
Rev. 12:10
Rev. 12:11
Rev. 12:12


From Strong's for:  Satan  (Satanas)  proper masculine noun

Noun = name of a person, place or thing


1) adversary (one who opposes another in purpose or act), the name given to

a) the prince of evil spirits, the inveterate adversary of God and Christ

1) he incites apostasy from God and to sin

2) circumventing men by his wiles

3) the worshippers of idols are said to be under his control

4) by his demons he is able to take possession of men and inflict them with diseases

5) by God's assistance he is overcome

6) on Christ's return from heaven he will be bound with chains for a thousand years, but when the thousand years are finished he will walk the earth in yet greater power, but shortly after will be given over to eternal punishment

b) a Satan-like man

Strong's first definition of the Hebrew "sawtawn" is "an opponent" (Strong's# 7854). The first definition is the PRIMARY definition.

In 1 Chronicles 21:1 God was Israel's "opponent." We are CLEARLY told this in 2 Samuel 24:1. It explicitly says that it was God who moved David against Israel. There is no old tesatament evidence that satan was active after he was cursed in the garden. John's vision went back to the binding of the "ANCIENT serpent." He was loosed when Christ appeared and judged at Christ's second appearance in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire.

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Context my friend, context.  Not pick and choose to fit what one wants to believe.  The leading of the indwelling Holy Spirit should be allowed to lead in the understanding of God's Word.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 02:43:59 PM »
I only belittled your claims thethinker.  ::whistle::
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 02:56:14 PM »
And ummm.....  since the Bible specifically calls Satan our "adversary" in I Peter

and since Satan is always pictured in an adversarial relationship to God and His people in the Old Testament

Then I'm totally fine with taking the PRIMARY definition and saying it's still talking about Satan.

Besides


#1...
You're taking I Chronicles out of context and saying God enticed David to take a census when the Bible says point blank in James that God does not tempt anyone.

#2
Strong's Dictionary also says (cut and paste) "an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good"

#3
You avoided any mention of Job


Huge stretch to explain away these things and then use this as your proof that Satan was bound during the Old Testament.

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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 02:57:54 PM »

In 1 Chronicles 21:1 God was Israel's "opponent." We are CLEARLY told this in 2 Samuel 24:1. It explicitly says that it was God who moved David against Israel. There is no old tesatament evidence that satan was active after he was cursed in the garden. John's vision went back to the binding of the "ANCIENT serpent." He was loosed when Christ appeared and judged at Christ's second appearance in ad70 and cast into the lake of fire.

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Why do we continue to have an accuser? Is the lake of fire in high places? Ephesians 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.