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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #105 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 11:52:07 »
I just cant believe that anyone could believe that Satan and the evil spirits arent still around us today. Who do think that Jesus was battling when he was on earth? What was he casting out from people? Believe me, Satan and the evil spirits are alive and kicking and to deny this is putting your head in the sand and ignoring all of the New testament.
I have seen loads and loads of evidence of evil spirits around today and that they are still very much active.I have seen people being delivered of spirits and of being controlled by spirits. They are here believe me, and we are all in a battle with them.Thank God though that we have the victory in Him.
Of course they love it when others deny their existance, that is part of their plan and desire.
They want people to believe that they are no longer active, and they are laughing that some actually do ignore what the Bible says and what most if us know, that they are still very much active in the world today.
You are certainly free to believe or not believe "the devil" and "evil spirits" have an active existence today. But I believe "Satan" or "the devil" only represented sin, spiritual death, and evil. And as far as evils spirits are concerned, they were to be removed from the land in Christ's generation. The context of Zech13:1 has to do with that particular "in that day" and we know that God's expression was not just one single day, but more likely rendered "at that time."

I believe people are healed from "demons" by the believing Christ can heal them. But, if you look more closely, it is more likely mental illness and "demons of the mind" that faith heals them of today.
In the first century, demons actually indwelt people. Christ drove them out, they verbally spoke to Christ, "have you come to torment us before the time?" And those demons begged Jesus not to send them into the abyss. This is the abyss in Rev.20.

But we don't see or hear from those "unclean spirits" when they are hopefully driven out today, do we? Nor have we "discerned" any relocating their bad spirits into someone or something else, like to the herd of pigs, as in Christ's example, do we?

It's like those ghost hunters on TV,  I've never seen and heard any either.  Yet, they found a career in stretching the imagination to gullible souls, lol!

Amils and Postmils alike will always hold to the final battle against Satan as unfulfilled because it follows their Revelation chronology that Satan is "bound" today for believers- he can't deceive the "nations" from receiving the gospel.
That is partly true, but the timing is not right.  The "millennium" ended just before Satan was released "a short while" That short space was the great tribulation (67-70AD) and the "nations" in Rev.20:3, and 8 are referring to spiritual Israel (Hebrew Christians) and Israel after the flesh, respectively.


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #106 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 16:25:26 »
demons, evil spirits are very real, and nothing to be made light of.  My friend was physically attacked by an evil spirit, and when she became a Christian it left her.

There is a book out called the "Rite", a priest writes about the rise in demon possession and the call for more priest to do exorsicms.  He admits he did not even believe until he witnessed these things himself.

What's behind the apparent rise in exorcisms?.
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from CBS news:

What's behind the apparent rise in exorcisms?

Father Thomas Williams, Dean of Theology at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome and a CBS News religion consultant, told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez on The Early Show Tuesday, "There may be two reasons.

One:   is that there's increased interest in the occult, even in Satanism. Where I live in Italy, Satanic worship is actually on the rise. And this is true in a lot of places in Europe.  

second reason I think is because people are less careful. Honestly, they maybe pray less. They play around with things they shouldn't play with, and then they get into trouble. ... Anyone can be possessed, but I think you really have to open yourself up to it. You have to be un-careful. And I think the spiritual demons, or bad angels, do exist, and I think it's an extreme thing, but it happens sometimes.

How do you know that the person is possessed, and you're not just dealing with a psychological problem?

"Well," Williams responded, "that's the biggest challenge we have. Because obviously, many things that in the past that were considered demonic possession or demonic influence were really just diseases or psychological problems. So, priests work closely with psychologists to try to ascertain the real nature of the pathology or of the problem before performing an exorcism. But prayer never hurts. So if you're just praying for a person, you're not gonna do them any damage."

There are specific signs that a person is possessed, Williams continued;

 "Three typical signs are speaking strange languages, a language a person's never had any access to whatsoever, and they just become fluent in it. And often accompanied by a change of voice that doesn't even sound like the person.

 Another is knowledge of secret things. For example, saying things that the person has no way of knowing.

And a third is superhuman strength, the ability to lift objects and move things."

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500202_162-3877560.html


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #107 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 16:39:58 »
Satan will not be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire until here [Revelation 20:7-10]

... 1000 years after this [Revelation 20:1-3]  

...... and he has deceived the preterist into thinking that he no longer exists

This top devil is a clever dude
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« Reply #108 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 18:02:16 »
Satan will not be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire until here [Revelation 20:7-10]

... 1000 years after this [Revelation 20:1-3]  

...... and he has deceived the preterist into thinking that he no longer exists

This top devil is a clever dude

"until here (Rev.20:7-10)"

And the beginning and ending verse of Revelation said the things in the book would soon take place.
So unless John kept the book in under wraps for thousands of years, it all came to pass.

We give something much more power when we believe it.  There's nothing "clever" about that either. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and a negative one. There's no blessing in it!

"resist the devil and he will flee from you" meant resist temptation to sin. Peter was emphasizing the importance of leading a holy life. The new man the new creation in Christ.
 

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #109 on: Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 09:20:08 »
I do resist the devil and he does flee every time .... I am doing it now by exposing him

.... but some assist in his hiding by telling that he is in the lake of fire today

Who would do such a thing?

Tell me ..... why do you resist this one called Lucifer [the dragon and old serpent] when you think he is in the lake of fire and no longer able to deceive you?

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« Reply #110 on: Sat Jan 14, 2012 - 19:17:18 »
I do resist the devil and he does flee every time .... I am doing it now by exposing him

.... but some assist in his hiding by telling that he is in the lake of fire today

Who would do such a thing?

Tell me ..... why do you resist this one called Lucifer [the dragon and old serpent] when you think he is in the lake of fire and no longer able to deceive you?

Because the Holy Spirit and my spirit do not discern any devil.  I have had God speak to my inner man but never the devil!

That's because it doesn't exist anymore. His "influence" is all that is in reality.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #111 on: Sun Jan 15, 2012 - 07:56:21 »
"Because the Holy Spirit and my spirit do not discern any devil"


But the scriptures tell a very different truth on this matter which does not match your source regardless of what you call it

I will suggest to you that the "spirit" you claim to have encountered is not of God at all

.... one that is hiding the truth about Satan

And further more that you actually know this ..... or you may not

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« Reply #112 on: Sun Jan 15, 2012 - 11:49:38 »
"Because the Holy Spirit and my spirit do not discern any devil"


But the scriptures tell a very different truth on this matter which does not match your source regardless of what you call it

I will suggest to you that the "spirit" you claim to have encountered is not of God at all

.... one that is hiding the truth about Satan

And further more that you actually know this ..... or you may not

The Holy Spirit doesn't "hide" anything regarding evil to a child of God.

I empathize that you have to literally constantly resist some kind of evil spirit devil, when it's just your own conscience you're battling with.

There is no devil.  Only people can be "evil."

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #113 on: Sun Jan 15, 2012 - 20:03:00 »
"There is no devil"


Exactly what Satan says ..... he has you fooled

.... and the Lord's Word refutes you hands down

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« Reply #114 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 10:39:14 »
"Because the Holy Spirit and my spirit do not discern any devil"


But the scriptures tell a very different truth on this matter which does not match your source regardless of what you call it

I will suggest to you that the "spirit" you claim to have encountered is not of God at all

.... one that is hiding the truth about Satan

And further more that you actually know this ..... or you may not


The Holy Spirit doesn't "hide" anything regarding evil to a child of God.

I empathize that you have to literally constantly resist some kind of evil spirit devil, when it's just your own conscience you're battling with.

There is no devil.  Only people can be "evil."


There is a devil but he is in the lake of fire. You are correct that the conscience is the problem. 1 John says that Christ destroyed the works of the devil and that our problem was our own fears.

If it was the devil, then how could non-chrisitan psychologists help people with counseling? In some cases medication solves people's problems. Linker's views are both biblically and experientally ridiculous.

Christ destroyed the works of the devil (1 John 3:8). The "preachers" and "teachers" who say that satan still operates in the world today need to have their heads examined.

Just the other day a man at church got feelings of insecurity and misinterpreted something someone said and then blamed what he said onn satan.

It's no wonder the athiests are laughing at us. Note these wise words of a good christian man on another forum:

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For all:  The religious world today has a greater faith in Satan than they do in Jesus. Their duped realities and distorted doctrines have created a universal picture in the hearts and minds of the religious world of Satan as a master and ruler of this world ....


He is sooo right in saying that the distorted realtiies of the religious community have created the "universal picture" of satan in the hearts and minds of people.

He is also right about so called christians FALSELY believing that satan is a ruler today. Jude says that Jesus Christ is the "ONLY despotes (ruler) and Lord." The word "ONLY despotes" in reference to Jesus means that satan is NOT a co-ruler with or under Jesus. It means that Jesus is the "ONLY ruler and Lord."

May God forgive such blasphemies against His Son.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #115 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 13:28:13 »
How do you know that the devil is in the Lord's lake of fire?

..... it is a destroying fire ..... you do not want to end up there

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« Reply #116 on: Mon Jan 16, 2012 - 18:34:25 »
How do you know that the devil is in the Lord's lake of fire?

..... it is a destroying fire ..... you do not want to end up there

Oh please, tell yourself!

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #117 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 06:04:39 »
Revelation 19 .... and then Revelation 20

The scriptures get it right every time

.... tell yourself this and believe it

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« Reply #118 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 09:45:27 »
Revelation 19 .... and then Revelation 20

The scriptures get it right every time

.... tell yourself this and believe it

All of Revelation was to "soon" take place (Rev1; 22) so Scriptures confirm our position that Satan is in the Lake of Fire.

When one twists God's time statements, they can end up with that last enemy still haunting them!


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« Reply #119 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 10:12:45 »
Revelation
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


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« Reply #120 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 10:44:58 »
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12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

So, the devil, the accuser of the brethren (someone like you), had A SHORT TIME.

Gog and Magog (God's enemies- the judaizers)  came against the Holy City (the spiritual bride- the new Jerusalem)

But the harlot would be judged (Rev.17,18)
and the kingdom was given the the "saints of the Most High" ( Rev.20:9,10; Dan. 7:27)

Revelation's fulfillment would be complete. John was told some of the visions and events prophetic descriptions already were, some were present, and the rest would would soon take place.


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #121 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 11:22:08 »
First:

Ezekiel
39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog [Satan] , and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

39:16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

39:19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

39:20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Continued parallel view:

Revelation
16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

16:5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

16:7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Continued parallel view:

Revelation
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Next:

Revelation
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.



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« Reply #122 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 19:25:58 »
You have no cohesive explanation for all of the Scripture you quoted.
Let me help you.
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39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
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39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

This happened after their Jacob's captivity among the nations. God's plan was to save the 12 tribes of Israel, and He did. The New Jerusalem Bride denotes their names at the gates.
Ezekiel 38-39 is not the same event as Rev.19, when the wicked of Israel get their flesh plucked by the same prophetic "birds of the air."
It wasn't the first time God caused death and crying to Israel.

In Revelation, that was when one would be left behind to have "the eagles" figuratively pluck their flesh. Eagles were the Romans ensigns, by the way!

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #123 on: Tue Jan 17, 2012 - 20:38:30 »
The Lord's lake of fire is a hot one

Better dump your preterism cover or you will end up in it [Revelation 20:11-15]

There is no hope tor you as long as you bask in your folly

Maybe you can find someone else on the forum to waste away with

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« Reply #124 on: Wed Jan 18, 2012 - 10:11:59 »
The Lord's lake of fire is a hot one

Better dump you preterism cover or you will end up in it [Revelation 20:11-15]

There is no hope tor you as long as you bask in your folly

Maybe you can find someone else on the forum to waste away with

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #125 on: Sat Jan 21, 2012 - 21:00:44 »
Linker said:
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39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog [Satan] , and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:


TO ALL,

Please note how Linker adds to the word of God. He inserts the word "satan" in brackets into the text thus identifying Gog as satan. But verses 11-16 indicate that Gog's body would be buried with the bodies of other men. Therefore, Gog was a man.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #126 on: Sat Jan 21, 2012 - 21:11:43 »
Linker said:
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39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog [Satan] , and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

TO ALL,

Please note how Linker adds to the word of God. He inserts the word "satan" in brackets into the text thus identifying Gog as satan. But verses 11-16 indicate that Gog's body would be buried with the bodies of other men. Therefore, Gog was a man.

I'm curious.  Who or what do you believe satan was/is?  You seem to disagree that satan could be a man...

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #127 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 14:40:51 »
LINKER IS TWISTING THE WORD AGAIN


REV 20:8 tells us SATAN decieves GOG so they can't be the same

To then say Satan is gog calls 20:8 a LIE!  Why would anyone listen to this person when he clearly twist the word to fit his beliefs EVENTHOUGH it goes against the word!!!!!

This is an easy to see false teacher here!!!! Don't be fooled

God says Satan decieves Gog and linker says Satan IS Gog



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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #128 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 14:51:18 »
What do you want to know about Satan goodie?


To even say something like this.... To funny
just bein a jerk.... I stand behind what I say

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #129 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 14:58:03 »
Linker said:
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39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog [Satan] , and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

TO ALL,

Please note how Linker adds to the word of God. He inserts the word "satan" in brackets into the text thus identifying Gog as satan. But verses 11-16 indicate that Gog's body would be buried with the bodies of other men. Therefore, Gog was a man.

I'm curious.  Who or what do you believe satan was/is?  You seem to disagree that satan could be a man...

exactly!!!

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #130 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 15:09:59 »
What do you want to know about Satan goodie?

19 For the report of your obedience has reached to all; therefore I am rejoicing over you, but I want you to be wise in what is good and innocent in what is evil. [Rom.16:19]


 24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, [Rev2:24]


 
Don't bother EdwardGoodie. We don't need his info anyway!     ::cheers::                                                        

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #131 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 15:22:19 »
I'm sorry, guys.  I should have been more specific.  Usually, I start off with the name of the person I was addressing.  I didn't do that this time and relied upon my quote to indicate who I was referencing...

Linker said something, then thethinker added his summary to it.

My question was to thethinker as to what he understood satan to represent, or be, or whatever.  No one has adequately addressed this issue.  Satan is just presumed to be a god of some kind although the same kind of vein as God Almighty...

Thethinker seems to disagree that satan could be a man.  I believe satan could be a man.  Jesus called Peter satan and I doubt He was wrong...but satan is not actually (in the physical sense) a man or a woman.

Satan simply means adversary - that which is opposed to the work of God.

Matthew 16:23 - But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.   [/color]

BTW, you can call me Ted...


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #132 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 15:28:44 »
I believe satan could be a man.  

Satan is all about the flesh, I agree he is a man, totally deprived of all of God's goodness.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #133 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 16:25:04 »
satan is a fallen angel not a man

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #134 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 16:41:06 »
I believe satan could be a man.  

Satan is all about the flesh, I agree he is a man, totally deprived of all of God's goodness.



For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

EPH6:12

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #135 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 19:07:47 »
I'm sorry, guys.  I should have been more specific.  Usually, I start off with the name of the person I was addressing.  I didn't do that this time and relied upon my quote to indicate who I was referencing...

Linker said something, then thethinker added his summary to it.

My question was to thethinker as to what he understood satan to represent, or be, or whatever.  No one has adequately addressed this issue.  Satan is just presumed to be a god of some kind although the same kind of vein as God Almighty...

Thethinker seems to disagree that satan could be a man.  I believe satan could be a man.  Jesus called Peter satan and I doubt He was wrong...but satan is not actually (in the physical sense) a man or a woman.

Satan simply means adversary - that which is opposed to the work of God.

Matthew 16:23 - But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.   [/color]

BTW, you can call me Ted...




I was assuming that Linker defines satan as a fallen angel who rebelled against God according to traditional christian understanding. In this sense Gog in Ezekiel could not have been satan. Gog was a man and not a fallen angel. He was the prince of the ancient cities Meshech and Tubal. According to chapter 39 his body was buried like the bodies of other men.

Note that the source below gives two definitions for "satan." The first is according to traditional christianity and the second is according to the Christadelphian understanding.

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In traditional Christian understanding of the holy Hebrew scriptures, the Torah, Satan is a synonym for the Devil. For most Christians, he is believed to be an angel who rebelled against God—and also the one who spoke through the serpent and seduced Eve into disobeying God's command. His ultimate goal is to lead people away from the love of God—to lead them to fallacies which God opposes. Satan is also identified as the accuser of Job, the tempter in the Gospels, the secret power of lawlessness in 2 Thessalonians 2:7, and the dragon in the Book of Revelation. Before his insurrection, Satan was among the highest of all angels and the "brightest in the sky". His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. The popularly held beliefs that Satan was once a prideful angel who eventually rebels against God, however, are not portrayed explicitly in the Bible and are mostly based on inference (e.g., Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14:12–17). In mainstream Christianity he is called "the ruler of the demons" (Matt. 12:24), "the ruler of the world" and "the god of this world". (2 Cor. 4:4). The Book of Revelation describes how Satan will be cast out of Heaven, down to the earth, having "great anger" and waging war against "those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus". Ultimately, Satan is thrown into the "Lake of fire", not as ruler, but as one among many, being tormented day and night forever and ever.[26]

In other Christian beliefs (e.g. the beliefs of the Christadelphians) the word "satan" in the Bible is not regarded as referring to a supernatural, personal being but to any "adversary" and figuratively refers to human sin and temptation.[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan


EdwardGoodie may define satan according to the Christadelphian sense. In this sense Gog could have been "satan" just as any other man. But Gog could not have been satan according to traditional christianity which is probably Linker's view.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #136 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 19:12:11 »
satan is a fallen angel not a man

Therefore, Gog could not have been satan. Gog was the prince of the ancient cities Meshech and Tubal. His body was to be buried with the bodies of other men.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #137 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 19:54:06 »
Actually, just so as we are very clear, I do not define satan according to the Christadelphian sense.  It is defined from the Bible.  The other definition which was apparently contrary to Linker's was is here:

"In other Christian beliefs (e.g. the beliefs of the Christadelphians) the word "satan" in the Bible is not regarded as referring to a supernatural, personal being but to any "adversary" and figuratively refers to human sin and temptation.[27]"

I found it odd that the plural form of Christian beliefs was used to just express one Christian belief (the Christadelphian view...There are many Christian beliefs that understand satan as being adversary.  The abuse of the Law is considered satanic as well...and the Pharisees who upheld those same abuses.  The Law had devolved and contained many Jewish traditions which Christ hammered them on...this is just ONE aspect of satanic activity.

Let's not swallow the traditions of satan according to folklore, folks.  Lucifer is NOT satan!

I'm not sure if Linker has described his version of satan, but it doesn't matter;
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #138 on: Mon Jan 23, 2012 - 15:14:19 »
"I found it odd that the plural form of Christian beliefs was used to just express one Christian belief (the Christadelphian view...There are many Christian beliefs that understand satan as being adversary.  The abuse of the Law is considered satanic as well...and the Pharisees who upheld those same abuses.  The Law had devolved and contained many Jewish traditions which Christ hammered them on...this is just ONE aspect of satanic activity."

Let's not swallow the traditions of satan according to folklore, folks.  Lucifer is NOT satan!"


How convenient for goodie to call the blblical definition of Satan "folklore" and a myth

This is the way of the preterist who comes to deceive by twisting the very Word of God

Over and over he does this .... if the scriptures don't fit his views then he just calls them fables .... or he uses allegory to explain them away

Beware of this preterist who teaches falsely and do not buy his song ..... a man sorely deceived himself who is out to snare others into his folly  

Another useless and scriptureless response...

So, I guess by your usual denial, you can offer proof that lucifer was satan???  You do realize that no SCRIPTURAL proof will ever be provided, right?

I await your scriptural response that will not be forthcoming...lol.


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #139 on: Mon Jan 23, 2012 - 16:02:41 »
"I found it odd that the plural form of Christian beliefs was used to just express one Christian belief (the Christadelphian view...There are many Christian beliefs that understand satan as being adversary.  The abuse of the Law is considered satanic as well...and the Pharisees who upheld those same abuses.  The Law had devolved and contained many Jewish traditions which Christ hammered them on...this is just ONE aspect of satanic activity."

Let's not swallow the traditions of satan according to folklore, folks.  Lucifer is NOT satan!"


How convenient for goodie to call the blblical definition of Satan "folklore" and a myth

This is the way of the preterist who comes to deceive by twisting the very Word of God

Over and over he does this .... if the scriptures don't fit his views then he just calls them fables .... or he uses allegory to explain them away

Beware of this preterist who teaches falsely and do not buy his song ..... a man sorely deceived himself who is out to snare others into his folly  

Another useless and scriptureless response...

So, I guess by your usual denial, you can offer proof that lucifer was satan???  You do realize that no SCRIPTURAL proof will ever be provided, right?

I await your scriptural response that will not be forthcoming...lol.



Lucifer was NOT satan in Isaiah 14. The prophecy was a proverbial taunt against the king of Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar). Verse 3 says,

"You will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon saying...."

It is the king of Babylon who was said to "fall from heaven" (proverbially speaking). Jesus used the same proverb against the city of Capernaum saying that it had "fallen from heaven." That Isaiah's prophecy was about the fall of a MAN is confirmed in verse 16. After the king of Babylon (Lucifer) falls the people mock him saying,

"This is the MAN who made the earth tremble."

I accept that satan was a real person. But I reject that he fell from heaven and that he was to be identified with Lucifer. Satan was created on the earth and was associated with the beasts of the field  (Gen. 3:1). The name "Lucifer" was a proverbial name for the king of Babylon who fell from heaven proverbially speaking in the way Capernaum "fell from heaven."

There never was and never will be a sinful creature in God's heaven, that is, His abode. Satan was created on the earth. He was exclusively an earth bound creature. He tempted the man and the woman. After that he was cast into the abyss for the thousands of years. There was no satanic activity throughout the old testament period until he was loosed for the "little season" between Christ's first and second comings. He was judged and cast into the lake of fire in ad70. The book of Hebrews was written very near to ad70. Hebrews 2:8 says that God put all Christ's enemies under His feet. It says that God left not one thing that is not put under Him. This includes satan! Paul said that God was to crush satan under the feet of the Roman christians "shortly."

Satan is in the lake of fire. There you have it! You have a synopsis of my views about satan.

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