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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #210 on: January 29, 2012, 04:23:05 PM »
daq,

Your post above makes about as much sense as this



thinker

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You want the simplified version?

Mark 2:17 KJV
17. When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mark 16:9 KJV
9. Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Those who recognize their need for a physician sit at the feet of the Master Physician and eat whatsoever crumbs fall from his table. Those who do not need a physician make their own tables and feast on whatsoever they desire. In The End one is a sheep and the other is a shaggy-goat-satyr.

Hope that helps ...  ::smile::

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #211 on: January 29, 2012, 09:43:38 PM »
daq,

Your post above makes about as much sense as this



thinker

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You want the simplified version?

Mark 2:17 KJV
17. When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mark 16:9 KJV
9. Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Those who recognize their need for a physician sit at the feet of the Master Physician and eat whatsoever crumbs fall from his table. Those who do not need a physician make their own tables and feast on whatsoever they desire. In The End one is a sheep and the other is a shaggy-goat-satyr.

Hope that helps ...  ::smile::


Sorry daq,

I have to agree with thinker, your posts are extremely long and nearly impossible for me to find the main point of. I'm not the greatest reader but this is WAY beyond my level of comprehension. Thanks for the simplified version ;)

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #212 on: January 29, 2012, 11:27:28 PM »
daq,

Your post above makes about as much sense as this



thinker

 ::smile::





You want the simplified version?

Mark 2:17 KJV
17. When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mark 16:9 KJV
9. Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Those who recognize their need for a physician sit at the feet of the Master Physician and eat whatsoever crumbs fall from his table. Those who do not need a physician make their own tables and feast on whatsoever they desire. In The End one is a sheep and the other is a shaggy-goat-satyr.

Hope that helps ...  ::smile::


Sorry daq,

I have to agree with thinker, your posts are extremely long and nearly impossible for me to find the main point of. I'm not the greatest reader but this is WAY beyond my level of comprehension. Thanks for the simplified version ;)


Haha! You are welcome: Just remember that the Master Physician is also the Eternal High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek and our Eternal High Priest has ONGOING duties, (intercession on our part and on the part of everyone who has and will ever come to believe). And one of his main functions as the High Priest is to Atone, and this he does by casting out the Devil, and Satan, and the wicked one(s) by the very FINGER of YHWH when he sprinkles the blood of Atonement, (with his own blood). So if your heart is sprinkled from an evil conscience then ONLY THE HIGH PRIEST COULD HAVE DONE IT: and that is with the same Finger which wrote the Decalogue Commandments.  ::smile::

Hebrews 10:16-22 KJV
16. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20. By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21. And having an high priest over the house of God;
22. Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #213 on: January 31, 2012, 05:08:32 PM »
daq wrote:
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And one of his main functions as the High Priest is to Atone, and this he does by casting out the Devil, and Satan, and the wicked one(s) by the very FINGER of YHWH when he sprinkles the blood of Atonement, (with his own blood).

daq,

The atonement was completed in ad70. Christ's intercession ended THEN. The atoning work of Christ was NOT an eternal work. The Greek 'aion' simply means "continual without interruption." Christ's atoning work was NOT interrupted by death like in the Levitical syatem. That is what is mean by His intercession having been "continual."

The atonement was completed by ad70. Satan is in the lake of fire!

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #214 on: January 31, 2012, 07:00:03 PM »
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And one of his main functions as the High Priest is to Atone, and this he does by casting out the Devil, and Satan, and the wicked one(s) by the very FINGER of YHWH when he sprinkles the blood of Atonement, (with his own blood).


daq,

The atonement was completed in ad70. Christ's intercession ended THEN. The atoning work of Christ was NOT an eternal work. The Greek 'aion' simply means "continual without interruption." Christ's atoning work was NOT interrupted by death like in the Levitical syatem. That is what is mean by His intercession having been "continual."

The atonement was completed by ad70. Satan is in the lake of fire!

thinker


The whole Gospel is personal and individual to each and every believer. Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe the Atonement of your own Tabernacle-body was accomplished in 70AD? Perhaps you do not mean that but it is the ultimate result of what you have stated and cannot be correct because EACH BELIEVER IS A HOLY TEMPLE OF YHWH.

That is what is meant once again by "all of it is SPIRIT" ~

The saints are the Tabernacle of the Congregation:

Leviticus 16:12-13 KJV
12. And he shall take a censer full of burning coals of fire from off the altar before the Lord, and his hands full of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the vail: (the vail is now no more)
13. And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:

This service is "about the space of half an hour" ~

Revelation 8:1-4
1. And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2. And I saw the seven messengers which stood before the Theou; and to them were given seven trumpets.
3. And another messenger came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
4. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before the Theou out of the hand of the messenger.




Leviticus 16:14-17 KJV
14. And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.
15. Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
16. And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness.
17. And there shall be no man in the tabernacle of the congregation when he goeth in to make an atonement in the holy place, until he come out, and have made an atonement for himself, and for his household, and for all the congregation of Israel.


The same is the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony:

Revelation 15:1-8
1. And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven messengers having the seven last strokes; for in them is filled up the thumos-passion-fury of the Theou.
2. And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of the Theou.
3. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of the Theou, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Kurie ho Theos ho Pantokrator; just and true are thy ways, thou King of nations!
4. Who shall not fear thee, O Kurie, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
5. And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
6. And the seven messengers came out of the temple, having the seven strokes, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
7. And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven messengers seven golden vials full of the thumos-passion-fury of the Theou, who liveth for ever and ever.
8. And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of the Theou, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven strokes of the seven messengers were fulfilled.




The entire Sevenfold Revelation of Yeshua concerns Atonement ~
And no one is allowed inside his house in the appointed time it is cleansed!
Pray that you are found worthy to stand before the Son of man in that Day:
Upon a Sea of glass having been mingled with fire ...


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #215 on: February 01, 2012, 11:13:27 PM »
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Satan was loosed around the time Jesus appeared.

1 Chron. 21:1
"Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel."

Zech. 3:1
"Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right  hand to oppose him.  And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!"

Regards,
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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #216 on: February 02, 2012, 03:49:36 PM »
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Satan was loosed around the time Jesus appeared.

1 Chron. 21:1
"Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel."

Zech. 3:1
"Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right  hand to oppose him.  And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!"

Regards,
AsAChild

Yaha!  ::smile::

Jude 1:9
9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Zechariah 3:1-3
1. And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Mal'ak of YHWH, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2. And said YHWH unto Satan, YHWH rebuke thee, O Satan; even YHWH that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3. Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the Mal'ak.

Joshua 5:13-15
13.  And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14. And he said, Nay; but as Sar- tsba'- YHWH am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith 'Adoniy unto his servant?
15. And the Sar- tsba'- YHWH said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.


And so the entire Old Testament-Tanak BODY OF MOSES was folded into Christ and went up into the Holy City in the Third Day, (Matthew 27:51-53) even Hezekiah and many others who were emphanizo-manifested-signified in the Scriptures, as promised, and went up into the House of YHWH, in the Third Day! And there are many more to come, (when Satan is cast out of them by the High Priest) each in his or her appointed times.

Hebrews 12:22-24
22. But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of messengers,
23. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24. And to Yeshua the mediator of the new covenant, ("new mediator of the covenant" in the Greek) and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #217 on: February 02, 2012, 04:51:46 PM »
daq said:
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The whole Gospel is personal and individual to each and every believer. Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe the Atonement of your own Tabernacle-body was accomplished in 70AD? Perhaps you do not mean that but it is the ultimate result of what you have stated and cannot be correct because EACH BELIEVER IS A HOLY TEMPLE OF YHWH.

I am not waiting for MY redemption. Paul said that THEY were "eagerly waiting" for the redemption of the BODY? THEY received the FULL redemption in ad70. But post ad70 saints have full redemption UPON BELIEVING in Jesus.

PLEASE try to keep your posts shorter.

thanks,

thinker


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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #218 on: February 02, 2012, 05:00:17 PM »
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Satan was loosed around the time Jesus appeared.

1 Chron. 21:1
"Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel."

Zech. 3:1
"Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right  hand to oppose him.  And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!"

Regards,
AsAChild

From page 1


The word "sawtawn" in the Hebrew simply means "accuser." So 1 Chronicles should read, "And an accuser stood up against Israel...." The "accuser" that stood against Israel was God:

"And the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel and He moved David against them...." 2 Samuel 24:1

Job's "accuser" (sawtawn) was a man.

Psalm 109:6 simply means "accuser"

"Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand." NKJV

In Zechariah God was the "Adversary" (sawtawn) and the Angel of God (Christ) was Joshua's Advocate:

" 1And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him." Young's Literal Translation

The translations which say "satan" are wrong.

Satan was bound throughout the old testament period. He was loosed for the "little season" between the two comings of Christ. It was not until then that we see satanic activity. He was judged in the first century and cast into the lake of fire.

thinker





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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #219 on: February 02, 2012, 05:06:17 PM »
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The whole Gospel is personal and individual to each and every believer. Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe the Atonement of your own Tabernacle-body was accomplished in 70AD? Perhaps you do not mean that but it is the ultimate result of what you have stated and cannot be correct because EACH BELIEVER IS A HOLY TEMPLE OF YHWH.

I am not waiting for MY redemption. Paul said that THEY were "eagerly waiting" for the redemption of the BODY? THEY received the FULL redemption in ad70. But post ad70 saints have full redemption UPON BELIEVING in Jesus.

PLEASE try to keep your posts shorter.

thanks,

thinker



Ahah!So the truth comes out:
You have no Scripture to back up anything in your statement because all of what you state here is based on your newly found tradition. In addition you appear to be a Dispensationalist in a sheepskin because you ended your own age, and all judgment, in 70AD well before you were ever born. Now therefore you have nothing to be accountable for so long as you just believe your own interpretation of the Scriptures.

Was that short enough?  ::smile::

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #220 on: February 02, 2012, 05:10:55 PM »
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Satan was loosed around the time Jesus appeared.

1 Chron. 21:1
"Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel."

Zech. 3:1
"Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right  hand to oppose him.  And the Lord said to Satan, 'The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you!"

Regards,
AsAChild

From page 1


The word "sawtawn" in the Hebrew simply means "accuser." So 1 Chronicles should read, "And an accuser stood up against Israel...." The "accuser" that stood against Israel was God:

"And the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel and He moved David against them...." 2 Samuel 24:1

Job's "accuser" (sawtawn) was a man.

Psalm 109:6 simply means "accuser"

"Set a wicked man over him, And let an accuser stand at his right hand." NKJV

In Zechariah God was the "Adversary" (sawtawn) and the Angel of God (Christ) was Joshua's Advocate:

" 1And he sheweth me Joshua the high priest standing before the messenger of Jehovah, and the Adversary standing at his right hand, to be an adversary to him." Young's Literal Translation

The translations which say "satan" are wrong.

Satan was bound throughout the old testament period. He was loosed for the "little season" between the two comings of Christ. It was not until then that we see satanic activity. He was judged in the first century and cast into the lake of fire.

thinker






if satan is locked up, then why in the world do we still NEED JESUS????????????

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #221 on: February 02, 2012, 05:26:46 PM »
let me rephrase that

if Satan is locked up, then there is no more sin on this earth, so why do we continue to talk people into accepting Christ, when there is no need.

and dont tell me that sin is still on the earth if Satan ain't here cause that's b.s. sin was on the earth before Adam and eve!  he crawled around on his belly, if hes gone then there aint no sin, and i dont know  what bubble you live in

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« Reply #222 on: February 02, 2012, 05:36:27 PM »
let me rephrase that

if Satan is locked up, then there is no more sin on this earth, so why do we continue to talk people into accepting Christ, when there is no need.

and dont tell me that sin is still on the earth if Satan ain't here cause that's b.s. sin was on the earth before Adam and eve!  he crawled around on his belly, if hes gone then there aint no sin, and i dont know  what bubble you live in

According to Peter and Jude the evil angels were bound in chains in the old testament. There was still sin wasn't there?

Paul said that by one MAN sin entered into the world. Man is sinful with or without stan.

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #223 on: February 02, 2012, 05:42:06 PM »
daq said:
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The whole Gospel is personal and individual to each and every believer. Do you honestly mean to tell me that you believe the Atonement of your own Tabernacle-body was accomplished in 70AD? Perhaps you do not mean that but it is the ultimate result of what you have stated and cannot be correct because EACH BELIEVER IS A HOLY TEMPLE OF YHWH.

I am not waiting for MY redemption. Paul said that THEY were "eagerly waiting" for the redemption of the BODY? THEY received the FULL redemption in ad70. But post ad70 saints have full redemption UPON BELIEVING in Jesus.

PLEASE try to keep your posts shorter.

thanks,

thinker



Ahah!So the truth comes out:
You have no Scripture to back up anything in your statement because all of what you state here is based on your newly found tradition. In addition you appear to be a Dispensationalist in a sheepskin because you ended your own age, and all judgment, in 70AD well before you were ever born. Now therefore you have nothing to be accountable for so long as you just believe your own interpretation of the Scriptures.

Was that short enough?  ::smile::

Yeah that was short enough.

Paul said that they were "eagerly waiting" for the redemption of the body. If they were eagerly waiting for the full redemption, then they were not yet fully redeemed. If the full redemption did not come in ad70, then when did it come?

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Re: Satan is in the lake of fire
« Reply #224 on: February 02, 2012, 05:45:13 PM »
let me rephrase that

if Satan is locked up, then there is no more sin on this earth, so why do we continue to talk people into accepting Christ, when there is no need.

and dont tell me that sin is still on the earth if Satan ain't here cause that's b.s. sin was on the earth before Adam and eve!  he crawled around on his belly, if hes gone then there aint no sin, and i dont know  what bubble you live in

According to Peter and Jude the evil angels were bound in chains in the old testament. There was still sin wasn't there?

Paul said that by one MAN sin entered into the world. Man is sinful with or without stan.

thinker

MAN opened the door for sin to come into this world threw satan
if satan and all his army are bound why do we need Jesus??