The Dead Sea...

[robycop3]

Zechariah 13:1  (KJV)
13 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
That is not future. Note the text. It is just before Jesus' crucifixion. Then "Smite the Shepard."
John 7:35-39, 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those [a]believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

No living water flows out of you?

How sad.

  Well, "that day" hasn't yet arrived. And  you're not accepting my "living waters", which is the TRUTH I've presented to you & other prets here.

[lea]

  Well, "that day" hasn't yet arrived. And  you're not accepting my "living waters", which is the TRUTH I've presented to you & other prets here.

Yes, we Preterists reject your ignorance of the "living waters" that were promised to the true Israel in the earthly description of the New Jerusalem and new earth. (Rev.21-22)

[robycop3]

Yes, we Preterists reject your ignorance of the "living waters" that were promised to the true Israel in the earthly description of the New Jerusalem and new earth. (Rev.21-22)

  Of course you do, as you can't accept the REALITY that these things haven't yet happened.

[lea]

  Of course you do, as you can't accept the REALITY that these things haven't yet happened.

Again, you make the same error the pharisees did.... wanting a physical kingdom. 

[robycop3]

  No, the error is YOURS in not believing Scripture.

[lea]

  No, the error is YOURS in not believing Scripture.

Show us where Jesus or in the O.T. where it's suggested that Jesus would reign on earth for a literal thousand years.

I think you need to look at Rev.20. The thrones with the judgment given to the apostles happened during the regeneration, which began with the apostles on physical earth. They were the first resurrection. Approximately 40 years time. The "rest of the dead" came alive after the thousand years were finished. AD70 was the time of the resurrection. The "millennium" ended in AD70.

[robycop3]

Show us where Jesus or in the O.T. where it's suggested that Jesus would reign on earth for a literal thousand years.

I think you need to look at Rev.20. The thrones with the judgment given to the apostles happened during the regeneration, which began with the apostles on physical earth. They were the first resurrection. Approximately 40 years time. The "rest of the dead" came alive after the thousand years were finished. AD70 was the time of the resurrection. The "millennium" ended in AD70.

  Nothing about the millenium beginning or ending then You're making it up, and it's quite-goofy. The millenium won't begin til Jesus returns.

  Don't believe Jesus is returning to earth?

Rev. 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

  They couldn't try to attack Him if He hadn't returned to earth, simple as THAT ! he had come to rule the nations with a rod of iron, that is, strictly.

Rev. 20 :4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

  Think that won't be on earth? Let Scripture prove it WILL:

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Once again, the false pret garbage goes "POOF !" in the face of Scripture.

[lea]

  Nothing about the millenium beginning or ending then You're making it up, and it's quite-goofy. The millenium won't begin til Jesus returns.

  Don't believe Jesus is returning to earth?

Rev. 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

  They couldn't try to attack Him if He hadn't returned to earth, simple as THAT ! he had come to rule the nations with a rod of iron, that is, strictly.

Rev. 20 :4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

  Think that won't be on earth? Let Scripture prove it WILL:

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Once again, the false pret garbage goes "POOF !" in the face of Scripture.

You don't have a clue about Revelation 20, so I'm not going to waste my time. Re-read my previous post and start to learn something about Rev.20.

[robycop3]

You don't have a clue about Revelation 20, so I'm not going to waste my time. Re-read my previous post and start to learn something about Rev.20.

  Evidently, I have many more clues than YOU do, as I believe the ACTUAL SCRIPTURE, not the goofy eisegesis of Preston, Alcazar, Gentry, etc. Again, the millenium won't begin til Jesus returns.

[lea]

  Evidently, I have many more clues than YOU do, as I believe the ACTUAL SCRIPTURE, not the goofy eisegesis of Preston, Alcazar, Gentry, etc. Again, the millenium won't begin til Jesus returns.

Prove where Jesus and the OT saints and prophets said Jesus would rule in an earthly kingdom for a literal thousand years. The Jews never believed in a limited time of a thousand years either!

 Let's see if you can prove that the kingdom of God is limited to one thousand years. 

[robycop3]

Prove where Jesus and the OT saints and prophets said Jesus would rule in an earthly kingdom for a literal thousand years. The Jews never believed in a limited time of a thousand years either!

 Let's see if you can prove that the kingdom of God is limited to one thousand years. 

  I posted the Scriptures from Rev. 19-20 elsewhere in this sub-forum. You read them & then said I knew nothing about them.

What a lame excuse !

[lea]

  I posted the Scriptures from Rev. 19-20 elsewhere in this sub-forum. You read them & then said I knew nothing about them.

What a lame excuse !

Really? Where in the OT are they promised a thousand years in an earthly kingdom?

[robycop3]

Really? Where in the OT are they promised a thousand years in an earthly kingdom?

  Nothing in the OT about it, but many NT prophecies are additions to OT ones.

[lea]

  Nothing in the OT about it, but many NT prophecies are additions to OT ones.

In other words, you can't find that in the O.T., even when the N.T. is the fulfillment (not additions!) of the rest of OT promises and prophecies.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Really? Where in the OT are they promised a thousand years in an earthly kingdom?

The Book of Enoch.  Ok, it isn't actually in the Old Testament, and (spoiler) it isn't literal either.

However, it IS the book that is being referenced in Revelation talking about a "1000 year reign."

[robycop3]

The Book of Enoch.  Ok, it isn't actually in the Old Testament, and (spoiler) it isn't literal either.

However, it IS the book that is being referenced in Revelation talking about a "1000 year reign."

  The Book of Enoch is a forgery, & here's proof: It mentions a year of 365 1/4 days' length, same as the year is now, but in Enoch's time it was only 360 days long. And that's not due to the ancients' miscalculation. As all men of that time depended upon agriculture, knowing the correct length of the year was very-important to them. Had they been off by 5 1/4 days, their seasons woulda been off almost a whole month after only 5 years ! They knew the length of the year by observing the points of sunrises, sunsets, & the shadows found at dawn and sunset.

  The year didn't attain its present length til the time of Hezekiah in the 700s BC.

[lea]

  The Book of Enoch is a forgery, & here's proof: It mentions a year of 365 1/4 days' length, same as the year is now, but in Enoch's time it was only 360 days long. And that's not due to the ancients' miscalculation. As all men of that time depended upon agriculture, knowing the correct length of the year was very-important to them. Had they been off by 5 1/4 days, their seasons woulda been off almost a whole month after only 5 years ! They knew the length of the year by observing the points of sunrises, sunsets, & the shadows found at dawn and sunset.

  The year didn't attain its present length til the time of Hezekiah in the 700s BC.

Except now you still can't answer my last reply with anything again!!! (reply #44)

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

The Book of Enoch is a forgery...

A forgery?  I'm guessing you mean it wasn't written by Enoch?  The right word for that is pseudephigraphal.  I don't think anyone on earth believes the Enoch of Genesis wrote any of the books...

Oh, yeah... the "Book of Enoch" is actually 5 different books, so which part are you referring to?  Based on your comments, I'm guessing you're referring to the the book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven... which is one of the earlier sections, but also probably the least interesting.  Also, it isn't the same part as the bit I referenced earlier in this thread.

Here's proof: It mentions a year of 365 1/4 days' length, same as the year is now, but in Enoch's time it was only 360 days long. And that's not due to the ancients' miscalculation. As all men of that time depended upon agriculture, knowing the correct length of the year was very-important to them. Had they been off by 5 1/4 days, their seasons woulda been off almost a whole month after only 5 years ! They knew the length of the year by observing the points of sunrises, sunsets, & the shadows found at dawn and sunset.

The year didn't attain its present length til the time of Hezekiah in the 700s BC.

Where are you getting this information?  From what I know, the calendar in Enoch has 364 days.

[robycop3]

A forgery?  I'm guessing you mean it wasn't written by Enoch?  The right word for that is pseudephigraphal.  I don't think anyone on earth believes the Enoch of Genesis wrote any of the books...

Oh, yeah... the "Book of Enoch" is actually 5 different books, so which part are you referring to?  Based on your comments, I'm guessing you're referring to the the book of the courses of the luminaries of the heaven... which is one of the earlier sections, but also probably the least interesting.  Also, it isn't the same part as the bit I referenced earlier in this thread.
Where are you getting this information?  From what I know, the calendar in Enoch has 364 days.

  The Bible itself shows a 360-day year, as does the Mayan calendar, old Egyptian ones, (with later ones adding 5 "intercalary" days") the Aztec calendar stone, Indian Veda texts, & ancient Sumerian and Chinese calendars. This is but a partial list. Feel free to explore them yourself.

[lea]

  Nothing in the OT about it, but many NT prophecies are additions to OT ones.

Nope. You still can't answer my post about the thousand years!

[robycop3]

Nope. You still can't answer my post about the thousand years!

Rev.20:4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Rev. 20:7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

I believe GOD answered your Q before you ever asked it.

[lea]

rc3,
 You simply posted Scripture (a lousy version too).

So, you posted Scripture.  But you still can't understand prophetic language.

They were the "first resurrection."  Then we see the rest of the dead judged after the "thousand years"  that Satan was bound,  so the disciples could receive the gospel!

Almost 40 years.

[robycop3]

rc3,
 You simply posted Scripture (a lousy version too).

So, you posted Scripture.  But you still can't understand prophetic language.

They were the "first resurrection."  Then we see the rest of the dead judged after the "thousand years"  that Satan was bound,  so the disciples could receive the gospel!

Almost 40 years.

  Satan was not bound, as sin has been prevalent since A&E first sinned, and the "first resurrection" won't occur til Jesus raptures the Church.

[lea]

  Satan was not bound, as sin has been prevalent since A&E first sinned, and the "first resurrection" won't occur til Jesus raptures the Church.

You should give up on Biblical prophecy. Sticking to such juvenile Chiliasm is a doctrine of fools.

[robycop3]

You should give up on Biblical prophecy. Sticking to such juvenile Chiliasm is a doctrine of fools.

  Then, I guess you believe the revelating angel was a fool for saying Jesus & His saints will reign for 1K years on earth.

[lea]

  Then, I guess you believe the revelating angel was a fool for saying Jesus & His saints will reign for 1K years on earth.

Really? Where does the angel say Jesus would reign on earth for the thousand years?

[robycop3]

Really? Where does the angel say Jesus would reign on earth for the thousand years?

 Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

  7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

  Obviously, the camp of the saints, where Jesus will be, will be on earth; otherwise the nations couldn't come up against it.

Next question ?