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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2012, 04:23:13 PM »
 

         Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."
[Rev.14:13]

          We are perfected in heaven when we die. If this didn't begin in 70AD, as written in Rev., then no one who dies in the Lord is "blessed" at all!! And we would all be accursed at death of the natural body.

         
Rev 14:13 hasn't happened yet.
Or did josephus see this also?

Rev 14:6  And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »
Jesus comes in the night like a thief.
He comes in the clouds. every one will see Him

help here!!!!

is it because its dark on one side of the earth or what

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2012, 04:47:57 PM »
Jesus comes in the night like a thief. He comes in the clouds. every one will see Him

help here!!!!

is it because its dark on one side of the earth or what

Jesus comes as a thief because those who aren't looking for him won't know until he comes; then every eye will see him. Those who are looking for him (including the dead in him) will rise or be transformed. The wicked will see all of this, realize they have been abandoned to wrath, and will weep.

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2012, 05:12:13 PM »
Jesus comes in the night like a thief. He comes in the clouds. every one will see Him

help here!!!!

is it because its dark on one side of the earth or what

Jesus comes as a thief because those who aren't looking for him won't know until he comes; then every eye will see him. Those who are looking for him (including the dead in him) will rise or be transformed. The wicked will see all of this, realize they have been abandoned to wrath, and will weep.

Lofty interpretation, but I disagree.

    "For I say unto you [Jerusalem, the scribes, the Pharisees], You shall not see Me henceforth, till you shall say, 'Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord.'" (Matt. 23:39; Lk. 21:35)

All the tribes of the Land of Judea saw Jesus again and acknowledged Him as King in A.D. 70:

    "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the Land will mourn over Him. Even so. Amen." (Rev. 1:7)

    "...Then all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the heavens with power and great glory." (Matt. 24:30; Mk. 13:26; Lk. 21:27)

    "...Hereafter you [Caiaphas the high priest, the scribes, elders, chief priests, the whole Sanhedrin] shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt. 26:57-64; Mk. 14:53-62)

    "Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie-- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." (Rev. 3:9; cf. Isa. 60:14)

    "And the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the Face of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of Their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-17)

Most futurists interpret Matt. 23:39 as an implied promise of salvation for "the Jews" in our future. They see the verse as a declaration that the Jews would go through a long time of spiritual blindness until they are converted to Christ shortly before His Second Coming at the end of "the Church Age."

That interpretation seems credible in a futuristic framework. However, the context (Matt. 23-24) indicates that the verse is a promise of judgment against the first-century Jews; and as other Scriptures (some cited above) reveal, Jerusalem did "see" Jesus again when He Appeared the second time (Heb.9:28) to destroy the holy City and its Sanctuary, (Dan. 9:24-27; Heb. 9:8) and to set up His eternal Throne among believers. (Rev. 22:3)

Matt. 23:39 was a prophecy of final subjugation, (Ps. 110:1; Matt. 22:44; Mk. 12:36; Lk. 20:43; Acts 2:35; I Cor. 15:25, 27; Eph. 1:22; Heb. 1:13; 2:8; 10:13) not of salvation. When the Son of Man came in the cataclysm of A.D. 70 to violently take the Kingdom from His enemies (i.e., the scribes, Pharisees, etc.) and give it to His Church (Matt. 21:43), the unbelieving Jews were forced to see (perceive, understand, know) and forced to admit that Jesus is the King, the Son of God --though their recognition and confession of Him in that mournful hour was too little and too late:

    "Many will say to Me on that Day, 'Lord, Lord...' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Matt. 7:22-23; cf. Heb. 10:26-27; 12:17)


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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »
Jesus comes in the night like a thief. He comes in the clouds. every one will see Him

help here!!!!

is it because its dark on one side of the earth or what

Jesus comes as a thief because those who aren't looking for him won't know until he comes; then every eye will see him. Those who are looking for him (including the dead in him) will rise or be transformed. The wicked will see all of this, realize they have been abandoned to wrath, and will weep.

Lofty interpretation, but I disagree.

    "For I say unto you [Jerusalem, the scribes, the Pharisees], You shall not see Me henceforth, till you shall say, 'Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord.'" (Matt. 23:39; Lk. 21:35)

All the tribes of the Land of Judea saw Jesus again and acknowledged Him as King in A.D. 70:

    "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the Land will mourn over Him. Even so. Amen." (Rev. 1:7)

    "...Then all the tribes of the Land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the heavens with power and great glory." (Matt. 24:30; Mk. 13:26; Lk. 21:27)

    "...Hereafter you [Caiaphas the high priest, the scribes, elders, chief priests, the whole Sanhedrin] shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt. 26:57-64; Mk. 14:53-62)

    "Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews, and are not, but lie-- behold, I will make them to come and bow down at your feet, and to know that I have loved you." (Rev. 3:9; cf. Isa. 60:14)

    "And the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the Face of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of Their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?" (Rev. 6:15-17)

Most futurists interpret Matt. 23:39 as an implied promise of salvation for "the Jews" in our future. They see the verse as a declaration that the Jews would go through a long time of spiritual blindness until they are converted to Christ shortly before His Second Coming at the end of "the Church Age."

That interpretation seems credible in a futuristic framework. However, the context (Matt. 23-24) indicates that the verse is a promise of judgment against the first-century Jews; and as other Scriptures (some cited above) reveal, Jerusalem did "see" Jesus again when He Appeared the second time (Heb.9:28) to destroy the holy City and its Sanctuary, (Dan. 9:24-27; Heb. 9:8) and to set up His eternal Throne among believers. (Rev. 22:3)

Matt. 23:39 was a prophecy of final subjugation, (Ps. 110:1; Matt. 22:44; Mk. 12:36; Lk. 20:43; Acts 2:35; I Cor. 15:25, 27; Eph. 1:22; Heb. 1:13; 2:8; 10:13) not of salvation. When the Son of Man came in the cataclysm of A.D. 70 to violently take the Kingdom from His enemies (i.e., the scribes, Pharisees, etc.) and give it to His Church (Matt. 21:43), the unbelieving Jews were forced to see (perceive, understand, know) and forced to admit that Jesus is the King, the Son of God --though their recognition and confession of Him in that mournful hour was too little and too late:

    "Many will say to Me on that Day, 'Lord, Lord...' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Matt. 7:22-23; cf. Heb. 10:26-27; 12:17)


  [From Eschatology.org]


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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2012, 05:23:23 PM »

 It was posted for your next study time.  You're welcome.

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2012, 07:48:20 PM »
Jesus comes in the night like a thief.
He comes in the clouds. every one will see Him

help here!!!!

is it because its dark on one side of the earth or what
Like a "thief in the night" doesn't mean unexpectedly.  It means something closer to "violently."

What is intimated is that he seizes and carries away forcibly.  Check out the entry in your lexicon for the Greek word "harpazo," and compare it to the word for thief used in this verse, as well as in 2Thessalonians 4.  The Bible is very consistent in using this word to describe this event.

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2012, 12:23:30 AM »


Mar_13:26  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Rev_1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

so this means the rapture?



1Th_5:2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pe_3:10  But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

and this means after the tribulation?

after the thousand years?
 
He will then remove the ones that did not take the mark?

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Re: The immortal body is INVISIBLE to the mortal eye
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2012, 03:29:00 AM »
1Th_5:4  But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2012, 10:00:25 AM »

 Correct, the wicked of Israel (the harlot) would be "taken" and left behind. The Lord answered: where a body is there will be a carcass plucked by vultures.

 Then the dead would be raised and that would be invisible.  OF COURSE!