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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 12:24:36 PM »


I don't know what to tell you Thinker.  A whole chronology of events is laid out before you in Revelation 20.  You hold onto your own interpretation of certain verses to try to refute clear teaching.  Not much more anyone can do when you do that. Whatever toots your horn.  I am waiting and watching for the Lord's return just as he commanded us---in joyful hope.  I hopefully look for the rapture as the Bible teaches us to do.  It's futile to "debate" you when you are set on preterist dogma.

 ::amen!::

and it seems that, that is all he studies and "thinks" he knows. one track minds miss alot of stuff. tunnel vision misses the true meaning and is blind to what is around.   ::frown::  ::frown::  

fenton,

Okay man reconcile Revelation 20:4-5 with Matthew 27:51-53

Revelation 20:4-5

"4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection."

Matthew 27:51-53:

51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs WITH his rising they went into the holy city and appeared to many"

Revelation 20 says that the "first resurrection" consisted of those who "came to life" WITH Christ. Matthew 27 says that many came out of the tombs "WITH His rising."

So explain how the first resurrection can still be future. This ought to be good!  ::eatingpopcorn:

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 12:33:11 PM »


I don't know what to tell you Thinker.  A whole chronology of events is laid out before you in Revelation 20.  You hold onto your own interpretation of certain verses to try to refute clear teaching.  Not much more anyone can do when you do that. Whatever toots your horn.  I am waiting and watching for the Lord's return just as he commanded us---in joyful hope.  I hopefully look for the rapture as the Bible teaches us to do.  It's futile to "debate" you when you are set on preterist dogma.

 ::amen!::

and it seems that, that is all he studies and "thinks" he knows. one track minds miss alot of stuff. tunnel vision misses the true meaning and is blind to what is around.   ::frown::  ::frown::  

fenton,

Okay man reconcille Revelation 20:4-5 with Matthew 27:51-53

Revelation 20:4-5

"4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection."

Matthew 27:51-53:

51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs WITH his rising they went into the holy city and appeared to many"

Revelation 20 says that the "first resurrection" consisted of those who "came to life" WITH Christ. Matthew 27 says that many came out of the tombs "WITH His rising."

So explain how the first resurrection can still be future. This ought to be good!  ::eatingpopcorn:

thinker

even though it has been explained to you better then i can ever explain it, you are still like a soured horse that keeps running back to the barn. with blinders on, you cant see to either side.
hopefully you wont get any popcorn kernels stuck in your teeth
::frustrated:: Headaches

I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 01:04:11 PM »
fenton said:
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even though it has been explained to you better then i can ever explain it, you are still like a soured horse that keeps running back to the barn. with blinders on, you cant see to either side.
hopefully you wont get any popcorn kernels stuck in your teeth

Just as I figured you have no reply. Revelation 20:5 says that they both "came to life" and reigned WITH Christ. So they "came to life" WITH Christ.

Matthew 27:53 says that many saints came out of the tombs WITH His resurrection.

So explain how the FIRST resurrection can be in the future. Do you want truth or not?

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »
fenton said:
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even though it has been explained to you better then i can ever explain it, you are still like a soured horse that keeps running back to the barn. with blinders on, you cant see to either side.
hopefully you wont get any popcorn kernels stuck in your teeth

Just as I figured you have no reply. Revelation 20:5 says that they both "came to life" and reigned WITH Christ. So they "came to life" WITH Christ.

Matthew 27:53 says that many saints came out of the tombs WITH His resurrection.

So explain how the FIRST resurrection can be in the future. Do you want truth or not?

thinker
i replied, you just are to smart to understand it.
::frustrated:: Headaches

I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2012, 06:49:51 PM »
fenton said:
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even though it has been explained to you better then i can ever explain it, you are still like a soured horse that keeps running back to the barn. with blinders on, you cant see to either side.
hopefully you wont get any popcorn kernels stuck in your teeth


Just as I figured you have no reply. Revelation 20:5 says that they both "came to life" and reigned WITH Christ. So they "came to life" WITH Christ.

Matthew 27:53 says that many saints came out of the tombs WITH His resurrection.

So explain how the FIRST resurrection can be in the future. Do you want truth or not?

thinker

Matthew 27:53 is concerning Christ's resurrection.
Revelation 20 is about the first resurrection.

When Christ rose the bodies of saints came out of their graves.
At the first resurrection after Christ returnes with all His saints and destroyed the armies of the world and throws the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire and binds satan for a thousand years, He then reigns with his saints a thousand years, not come to life with them, but reign with them.
You have Jesus coming to life after He has come and destroyed etc.
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/end-times-forum/the-first-resurrection-is-in-the-past/msg1054681337/#msg1054681337

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2012, 06:49:51 PM »