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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2012, 03:12:18 PM »
Edward,
I read your comments and they are 'right on the money.'  Tis a shame no one else will slow down long enough to contemplate the simple answer you gave. 

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2012, 03:34:55 PM »
Edward,
I read your comments and they are 'right on the money.'  Tis a shame no one else will slow down long enough to contemplate the simple answer you gave. 

I don't see how you say that.

They seem completely immaterial to the OP. Whether Death is currently in the process of being destroyed (which is a baseless statement) or if the destruction of Death will come at a single appointed time, the fact remains that Death is the last enemy to be destroyed.

"For they needs must seek some support,  since they have fallen from the foundation of the Apostles and have no settled mind of their own, and if they can find none, then they malign the fathers. But no one will believe them any more even if they make efforts to libel them, for their heresy is condemned on all hands." St. Athanasius of Alexandria

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2012, 07:51:58 AM »
Edward,
I read your comments and they are 'right on the money.'  Tis a shame no one else will slow down long enough to contemplate the simple answer you gave. 

I don't see how you say that.

They seem completely immaterial to the OP. Whether Death is currently in the process of being destroyed (which is a baseless statement) or if the destruction of Death will come at a single appointed time, the fact remains that Death is the last enemy to be destroyed.



Thank you! If death is the LAST enemy to be destroyed, then satan cannot be loosed afterwards. Satan would have been destroyed before death was destroyed.

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 02:21:16 AM »
THE MAN OF SIN
2Th 2:4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Christ destroys the beast and the false prophet at His coming, not satan.

First, Paul promised the Roman Christians that God would crush satan under THEIR feet "SHORTLY."

"And the God of peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet SHORTLY."

The first generation Christians saw satan destroyed under THEIR feet. God keeps His promises.

Second, when Christ comes the LAST enemy which is death is destroyed. Therefore, no enemies remain after the rapture. The man of sin ans satan both will have been destroyed BEFORE the rpature.

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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 02:49:38 AM »
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If satan is the beast, how is it the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire after Christ's return, and satan is bound a thousand years and then thrown into the lake of fire.

It doesn't matter who the beast is. The LAST enemy which is death will have been destroyed at Christ's coming (1 Cor. 15:26). So satan and the beast will have been destroyed BEFORE the rapture.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2012, 12:10:01 PM »
Bumped for the Futurists. See op.

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2012, 05:03:58 PM »
Death has been destroyed, but one day it will be in a totally literal sense
----the Devil, who has the power of death has BEEN defeated--but Satan has been allowed to continue on earth--and is being defeated and cornered as each day marches on.  After the rapture he will be imprisoned for 1000 years, and then released one more time upon the earth. (See REV. 20).

Then, at the very end of time, death will finally be "destroyed" in a very real sense:

The last thing thrown into the Lake of Fire is this:

"The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.  The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death". (Rev. 20:13,14)

Note: death and hell are the last things thrown into the lake of fire--and everyone not written in the book of life. So, the last enemy to be destroyed is death and hell---but this will happen far after the Rapture and the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2012, 05:21:00 PM »
Death has been destroyed, but one day it will be in a totally literal sense
----the Devil, who has the power of death has BEEN defeated--but Satan has been allowed to continue on earth--and is being defeated and cornered as each day marches on.  After the rapture he will be imprisoned for 1000 years, and then released one more time upon the earth. (See REV. 20).

More Futurist diplopia and double talk. The LAST ENEMY which is death is destroyed at the rapture. Therefore, satan CANNOT wreak havoc after the rapture. He would have been destroyed BEFORE death.

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Then, at the very end of time, death will finally be "destroyed" in a very real sense:

The last thing thrown into the Lake of Fire is this:

"The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.  The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death". (Rev. 20:13,14)

Note: death and hell are the last things thrown into the lake of fire--and everyone not written in the book of life. So, the last enemy to be destroyed is death and hell---but this will happen far after the Rapture and the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

Fulfilled per the apostle Paul (2 Timothy 1:10). Saints do NOT 'die' today. They don't go to sheol anymore. Death to the Jew was to be bound in sheol. Sheol has been cast into the lake of fire. Therefore, there is no more death. There is no promise that physical death wil be destroyed. Jesus said, "He who believes im Me shall NEVER die."

See my thread "Satan is in the lake of fire" regarding the 1,000 years. I will bump it up.

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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2012, 05:51:12 PM »
Death has been destroyed, but one day it will be in a totally literal sense
----the Devil, who has the power of death has BEEN defeated--but Satan has been allowed to continue on earth--and is being defeated and cornered as each day marches on.  After the rapture he will be imprisoned for 1000 years, and then released one more time upon the earth. (See REV. 20).

More Futurist diplopia and double talk. The LAST ENEMY which is death is destroyed at the rapture. Therefore, satan CANNOT wreak havoc after the rapture. He would have been destroyed BEFORE death.

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Then, at the very end of time, death will finally be "destroyed" in a very real sense:

The last thing thrown into the Lake of Fire is this:

"The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.  The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.  Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death". (Rev. 20:13,14)

Note: death and hell are the last things thrown into the lake of fire--and everyone not written in the book of life. So, the last enemy to be destroyed is death and hell---but this will happen far after the Rapture and the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

Fulfilled per the apostle Paul (2 Timothy 1:10). Saints do NOT 'die' today. They don't go to sheol anymore. Death to the Jew was to be bound in sheol. Sheol has been cast into the lake of fire. Therefore, there is no more death. There is no promise that physical death wil be destroyed. Jesus said, "He who believes im Me shall NEVER die."

See my thread "Satan is in the lake of fire" regarding the 1,000 years. I will bump it up.

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You didn't read a thing did you? lol  You are so set in your dogma that you ignore and quickly reply without even considering the scriptures presented to you.  It clearly states that "death and hell" are the last things thrown into the lake of Fire--but that doesn't match your theology so you ignore it.  Oh well.
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2012, 09:52:46 AM »
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You didn't read a thing did you? lol  You are so set in your dogma that you ignore and quickly reply without even considering the scriptures presented to you.  It clearly states that "death and hell" are the last things thrown into the lake of Fire--but that doesn't match your theology so you ignore it.  Oh well.

Fish,

It is YOU who is not reading a thing. Paul said that the LAST enemy to be destroyed is death. This happens at Christ's second coming which YOU say is still future. So how can satan insitgate the tribulation and then be bound and then loosed again to wreak more havoc? The LAST enemy is destroyed at Christ's second coming.

You guys take a symbolic book like the Revelation and pit it against Paul's CLEAR chronology. Furthermore, Paul said that Christ's return birings in "the END" when He will "deliver the kingdom to the Father." Yet you guys blatantly contradict Paul and teach that Christ begins His kingdom then. But Paul CLEARLY said that it is "the END" when He "delivers the kingdom to the Father.  He will NOT usher in a kingdom at His return if indeed His return is still in the future as you teach.

Sorry but I take Paul's chronology over yours! Give it up fish man!

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 10:22:33 AM »
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You didn't read a thing did you? lol  You are so set in your dogma that you ignore and quickly reply without even considering the scriptures presented to you.  It clearly states that "death and hell" are the last things thrown into the lake of Fire--but that doesn't match your theology so you ignore it.  Oh well.

Fish,

It is YOU who is not reading a thing. Paul said that the LAST enemy to be destroyed is death. This happens at Christ's second coming which YOU say is still future. So how can satan insitgate the tribulation and then be bound and then loosed again to wreak more havoc? The LAST enemy is destroyed at Christ's second coming.

You guys take a symbolic book like the Revelation and pit it against Paul's CLEAR chronology. Furthermore, Paul said that Christ's return birings in "the END" when He will "deliver the kingdom to the Father." Yet you guys blatantly contradict Paul and teach that Christ begins His kingdom then. But Paul CLEARLY said that it is "the END" when He "delivers the kingdom to the Father.  He will NOT usher in a kingdom at His return if indeed His return is still in the future as you teach.

Sorry but I take Paul's chronology over yours! Give it up fish man!

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Thinker---

The chronology is clear.  The rapture occurs, the Anti-christ comes to power.  He and the false prophet are cast "alive" into the Lake of fire.  Then Satan is bound for 1000 years.  This is the Millenial reign of Christ.

When the thousand years are done Satan is released again for a short time.  He leads the world in rebellion and is then destroyed and thrown into the Lake of Fire also.   Then the White Throne Judgment occurs and "death and hell" are then thrown into the Lake of Fire at the last.   This is all in Revelation 20 and very clear.

Thankfully preterist dogma has only affected a small amount of the church--it is a heresy which causes us not to "watch" for Christ as we should be doing faithfully.  It is a destructive heresy.
"The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want".

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 10:46:00 AM »
fish wrote:
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You didn't read a thing did you? lol  You are so set in your dogma that you ignore and quickly reply without even considering the scriptures presented to you.  It clearly states that "death and hell" are the last things thrown into the lake of Fire--but that doesn't match your theology so you ignore it.  Oh well.


Fish,

It is YOU who is not reading a thing. Paul said that the LAST enemy to be destroyed is death. This happens at Christ's second coming which YOU say is still future. So how can satan insitgate the tribulation and then be bound and then loosed again to wreak more havoc? The LAST enemy is destroyed at Christ's second coming.

You guys take a symbolic book like the Revelation and pit it against Paul's CLEAR chronology. Furthermore, Paul said that Christ's return birings in "the END" when He will "deliver the kingdom to the Father." Yet you guys blatantly contradict Paul and teach that Christ begins His kingdom then. But Paul CLEARLY said that it is "the END" when He "delivers the kingdom to the Father.  He will NOT usher in a kingdom at His return if indeed His return is still in the future as you teach.

Sorry but I take Paul's chronology over yours! Give it up fish man!

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Thinker---

The chronology is clear.  The rapture occurs, the Anti-christ comes to power.  He and the false prophet are cast "alive" into the Lake of fire.  Then Satan is bound for 1000 years.  This is the Millenial reign of Christ.

When the thousand years are done Satan is released again for a short time.  He leads the world in rebellion and is then destroyed and thrown into the Lake of Fire also.   Then the White Throne Judgment occurs and "death and hell" are then thrown into the Lake of Fire at the last.   This is all in Revelation 20 and very clear.

Thankfully preterist dogma has only affected a small amount of the church--it is a heresy which causes us not to "watch" for Christ as we should be doing faithfully.  It is a destructive heresy.


You did NOT answer Paul's chronology in 1 Corinthians 15. All you have done is pit other scriptures against it. Please deal with Paul's chronology DIRECTLY. Pretty please?

Paul said that when Christ comes that it is "the end when He will have delivered the kingdom to the Father." This supports the Preterist view of the PAST fulfillment of the Revelation. Christ's kingdom is brought to its END at His coming.

After death is destroyed there are no more enemies because death is the last enemy to be destroyed.

BTW, Preterism is growing leaps and bounds and is REPLACING Futurist eschatology. Almost all Preterists are former Futurists. Preterism is ushering in the next  Reformation so get used to feeling like a dinosaur.


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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 11:21:48 AM »
fish wrote:
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You didn't read a thing did you? lol  You are so set in your dogma that you ignore and quickly reply without even considering the scriptures presented to you.  It clearly states that "death and hell" are the last things thrown into the lake of Fire--but that doesn't match your theology so you ignore it.  Oh well.


Fish,

It is YOU who is not reading a thing. Paul said that the LAST enemy to be destroyed is death. This happens at Christ's second coming which YOU say is still future. So how can satan insitgate the tribulation and then be bound and then loosed again to wreak more havoc? The LAST enemy is destroyed at Christ's second coming.

You guys take a symbolic book like the Revelation and pit it against Paul's CLEAR chronology. Furthermore, Paul said that Christ's return birings in "the END" when He will "deliver the kingdom to the Father." Yet you guys blatantly contradict Paul and teach that Christ begins His kingdom then. But Paul CLEARLY said that it is "the END" when He "delivers the kingdom to the Father.  He will NOT usher in a kingdom at His return if indeed His return is still in the future as you teach.

Sorry but I take Paul's chronology over yours! Give it up fish man!

thinker


Thinker---

The chronology is clear.  The rapture occurs, the Anti-christ comes to power.  He and the false prophet are cast "alive" into the Lake of fire.  Then Satan is bound for 1000 years.  This is the Millenial reign of Christ.

When the thousand years are done Satan is released again for a short time.  He leads the world in rebellion and is then destroyed and thrown into the Lake of Fire also.   Then the White Throne Judgment occurs and "death and hell" are then thrown into the Lake of Fire at the last.   This is all in Revelation 20 and very clear.

Thankfully preterist dogma has only affected a small amount of the church--it is a heresy which causes us not to "watch" for Christ as we should be doing faithfully.  It is a destructive heresy.


You did NOT answer Paul's chronology in 1 Corinthians 15. All you have done is pit other scriptures against it. Please deal with Paul's chronology DIRECTLY. Pretty please?

Paul said that when Christ comes that it is "the end when He will have delivered the kingdom to the Father." This supports the Preterist view of the PAST fulfillment of the Revelation. Christ's kingdom is brought to its END at His coming.

After death is destroyed there are no more enemies because death is the last enemy to be destroyed.

BTW, Preterism is growing leaps and bounds and is REPLACING Futurist eschatology. Almost all Preterists are former Futurists. Preterism is ushering in the next  Reformation so get used to feeling like a dinosaur.


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I don't know what to tell you Thinker.  A whole chronology of events is laid out before you in Revelation 20.  You hold onto your own interpretation of certain verses to try to refute clear teaching.  Not much more anyone can do when you do that. Whatever toots your horn.  I am waiting and watching for the Lord's return just as he commanded us---in joyful hope.  I hopefully look for the rapture as the Bible teaches us to do.  It's futile to "debate" you when you are set on preterist dogma.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 11:37:04 AM »
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I don't know what to tell you Thinker.  A whole chronology of events is laid out before you in Revelation 20.  You hold onto your own interpretation of certain verses to try to refute clear teaching.  Not much more anyone can do when you do that. Whatever toots your horn.  I am waiting and watching for the Lord's return just as he commanded us---in joyful hope.  I hopefully look for the rapture as the Bible teaches us to do.  It's futile to "debate" you when you are set on preterist dogma.

Fish,

I have answered Revelation 20 in my thread "Satan is in the lake of fire." I have reconciled Revelation 20 with Paul's chronology. Please visit that thread.

We MUST reconcile all with Paul. He was Christ's "chosen vessel" to disclose truth to us. Peter submitted to Paul's teachings and you should do no less.


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Re: The LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 11:48:59 AM »


I don't know what to tell you Thinker.  A whole chronology of events is laid out before you in Revelation 20.  You hold onto your own interpretation of certain verses to try to refute clear teaching.  Not much more anyone can do when you do that. Whatever toots your horn.  I am waiting and watching for the Lord's return just as he commanded us---in joyful hope.  I hopefully look for the rapture as the Bible teaches us to do.  It's futile to "debate" you when you are set on preterist dogma.

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