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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 02:52:31 PM »
From your picture it looks like the "farce" is hanging out of your mouth

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 03:49:48 PM »
I was under the impression that there was a "prophet" who the preterists hated.
I'm not a preterist but I wanted to know who this "prophet" was.

Apparently, sadly, the OP believes that he is this "prophet".

Are people on this site allowed to call themselves "prophets"? I hope not.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2012, 03:56:30 PM »
I was under the impression that there was a "prophet" who the preterists hated.
I'm not a preterist but I wanted to know who this "prophet" was.

Apparently, sadly, the OP believes that he is this "prophet".

Are people on this site allowed to call themselves "prophets"? I hope not.

The OP is not saying that he is a prophet.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 04:02:15 PM »
"I was under the impression that there was a "prophet" who the preterists hated.
I'm not a preterist but I wanted to know who this "prophet" was.

Apparently, sadly, the OP believes that he is this "prophet"


Apparently you don't read well dude .... can you say "Zechariah"?

If you have a Bible I would suggest that you have some one read Zechariah 14 for you ..... can you do this?

I don't like trolls buddy .... so if you cannot address the thread with competence you don't qualify



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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 04:45:07 PM »
See, he still won't address the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10...

EdwardGoodie,

Just ignore these misguided souls when they start threads with instigating titles.
I'll just agree with you and put the interpretation right here right now. And they can just talk amongst themselves. 
"We" love all the prophets, especially when we understand their symbolic language:
Preterist.org:
Zechariah 14:14-21 says the feast of tabernacles would be celebrated after the destruction of Jerusalem!!! Does this mean we are to keep this feast today?

Answer: As it is impossible for all nations literally to come to Jerusalem once a year, to keep a feast, it is evident that a figurative meaning must here be applied. Gospel worship is represented by the keeping of the feast of tabernacles. Verses 16-21 mean that those who do not worship God shall not have his blessing. It is a sin that is its own punishment; those who forsake the duty, forfeit the privilege of communion with God.



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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2012, 05:07:14 PM »
"Just ignore these misguided souls when they start threads with instigating titles"

Goodie does not need advice to ignore ..... he is a master at it

But this thread he will not engage with his rendition of each verse in Zechariah 14

He knows that if he does he will get waxed

..... and so would you Ms Le

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2012, 04:46:17 AM »
10 “Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died. Zech 12:10

While it is prophetic concerning the piercing of our Lord Jesus, the entire prophetic passage is not about Calvary. when He comes again is when Israel will truly mourn---for having ever rejected their Messiah in the first place.
And the physical return of Jesus to earth will not occur until this happens.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2012, 04:57:23 AM »
See, he still won't address the fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10...

EdwardGoodie,

Just ignore these misguided souls when they start threads with instigating titles.
I'll just agree with you and put the interpretation right here right now. And they can just talk amongst themselves. 
"We" love all the prophets, especially when we understand their symbolic language:
Preterist.org:
Zechariah 14:14-21 says the feast of tabernacles would be celebrated after the destruction of Jerusalem!!! Does this mean we are to keep this feast today?

Answer: As it is impossible for all nations literally to come to Jerusalem once a year, to keep a feast, it is evident that a figurative meaning must here be applied. Gospel worship is represented by the keeping of the feast of tabernacles. Verses 16-21 mean that those who do not worship God shall not have his blessing. It is a sin that is its own punishment; those who forsake the duty, forfeit the privilege of communion with God.




I am curious about one thing - you mentioned in a different thread that many forums have a preterist outlook (correct me If I am wrong) if this is true - howcome you don't go there? Of course you can go wherever you want to but if it were me I would prefer to talk to those with the same outlook as myself, rather than those who oppose it.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2012, 06:11:20 AM »
10 “Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died. Zech 12:10

While it is prophetic concerning the piercing of our Lord Jesus, the entire prophetic passage is not about Calvary. when He comes again is when Israel will truly mourn---for having ever rejected their Messiah in the first place.
And the physical return of Jesus to earth will not occur until this happens.

No. This doesn't happen until they see Jesus Christ returning.


Look! He comes with the clouds of heaven. And everyone will see him— even those who pierced him. And all the nations of the world will mourn for him. Yes! Amen!  Revelation 1:7

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 08:25:31 AM »
Not one ounce of any of these things have already taken place in the past as the preterist declares

If you are a preterist I want a verse by verse explanation of each and the proof by accurate historical records that what you say happened in 70 A.D. is valid

If no response, I will show how each event has never taken place in the past for the benefit of the forum

Zechariah
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.




Linker,

Age is having an effect on your memory. I have already addressed these things in my "Preterists Believe the Threats of Prophecy" thread. I specifically gave you Zechariah 1:1 inwhich the Lord said,

"Return to Me and I will return to you."

This is the interpretive guide to Zechariah. The coming of Jehovah and all related events in Zechariah 14 were conditional. Those things would have been fulfilled IF.... We know that Israel did not fulfill the "IF" and so God could not fullfill the promises.

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6As this potter am I not able to do to you? O house of Israel, an affirmation of Jehovah. Lo, as clay in the hand of the potter, So [are] ye in My hand, O house of Israel.

 7The moment I speak concerning a nation, And concerning a kingdom, To pluck up and to break down, and to destroy,

 8And that nation hath turned from its evil, Because I have spoken against it, Then I have repented of the evil that I thought to do to it.

 9And the moment I speak concerning a nation, And concerning a kingdom, to build, and to plant,

 10And it hath done the evil thing in Mine eyes, So as not to hearken to My voice, Then I have repented of the good That I have spoken of doing to it.


God CLEARLY said that He would return to Israel if they returned to Him. They did not return to Him. God CLEARLY said that if Israel did evil that He would "REPENT" of the good promises. They did evil by crucifying His Son and so He took the kingdom away from them. Jesus said so.

After 40 years of studying the scriptures you have not found truth. You should stop embarassing yourself!

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2012, 08:31:26 AM »
Clearly, preterists do not believe the threats of prophecy.


1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
2 Peter 2:1-3

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2012, 08:35:23 AM »
Clearly, preterists do not believe the threats of prophecy.


1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
2 Peter 2:1-3



Lively,

First, are you going to continue to dodge Zechariah 1:1 and Jeremiah 18:6-10?

Second, Preterists affirm that the false teachers of Peter's day were destroyed. Show where we have denied it.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 08:38:20 AM »
False teachers of our day will be destroyed, too. That's a promise.

Why do you ignore Jeremiah 31?

 31 “The day is coming,

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 09:07:09 AM »
Merryone said:
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False teachers of our day will be destroyed, too. That's a promise.


False teachers of our day will be destroyed immediately uopn their deaths. Before Christ came in ad70 the false teachers slept in hades. After Christ returned they were awakened to destruction. But post ad70 they are destroyed immediately upon death.

Note that in Revelation 22 there are still false teachers lurking outside the city (the Bride). It says that they WILL have will their part in the lake of fire with the others (22:14-15).

The promise was that all would be destroyed eventually. Most were destroyed in ad70. But many were carried over and were destroyed afterwards when they died. Those of our day will be destroyed when they die too.

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Re: The Prophet that the Preterist Hates
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2012, 09:10:37 AM »
Clearly, preterists do not believe the threats of prophecy.


1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
2 Peter 2:1-3


Lively,

Yea, that is no surprise: even if not the same person then certainly the same spirit. Much like "Linker" and old "Truth Files" calling everyone and everything that disagrees a "hobgoblin" ~ spirits of a feather flock together.  ::crackup::