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Re: This Generation
« Reply #70 on: Thu May 21, 2020 - 04:47:05 »
Your proof that there are brainwashed Christians, having no clue about today and tomorrow.

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Re: This Generation
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Re: This Generation
« Reply #71 on: Thu May 21, 2020 - 17:09:26 »
Yes, I am glad you understand the fulfillment in their generation.  It is important to recognize that what Jesus said would be only in accordance to that specific scope.

BTW, in case you or others think that I believe all things STOPPED at AD70, that would be adamantly false because people are still being saved and entering the kingdom of God - that is how one enters the kingdom.  It seems people have forgotten this and wait for a yet future kingdom.  I quote the Lord's own words in this regard:

Mark 1:15 - And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And having said that, some believe the time was NOT fulfilled...

The signs for His coming were given to that generation.  Did you look at all the other verses regarding "generation?

What I think you miss here, daq, is the type given in the wilderness wanderings.  It would be one full generation (40 years) before they could enter into the promised land.  Examining the many parallels of this account are simply amazing - that is if one recognizes the fulfillment at the end of that 1st century generation...That wilderness generation was purged of unbelief before entering in to name just one.

 
The type in the O.T. is a must in the study of the Antitype in the N.T.  The spiritual parallels of comparing Scripture to Scripture is where most Preterists have insight into prophecy.
We are gifted that way (at least when we compare ourselves to futurists who make the heart sick waiting for Jesus again, and try to steal our joy!) and our lives are a little richer for believing the blessings of the Kingdom and Gospel are ours now. Thank you Lord. is all I can say.

Thank you Lord for answering almost all my prayers so far.   ::kissing:: 90%
 

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Re: This Generation
« Reply #72 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 04:54:14 »
The type in the O.T. is a must in the study of the Antitype in the N.T.  The spiritual parallels of comparing Scripture to Scripture is where most Preterists have insight into prophecy.
We are gifted that way (at least when we compare ourselves to futurists who make the heart sick waiting for Jesus again, and try to steal our joy!) and our lives are a little richer for believing the blessings of the Kingdom and Gospel are ours now. Thank you Lord. is all I can say.

Thank you Lord for answering almost all my prayers so far.   ::kissing:: 90%

  Those Christians living in Moslem lands, never knowing when some diaper-heads carrying AK-47s may bust through their doors to gun them down aren't exactly enjoying the benefits of the KOG at this time. remember, Paul wrote that we haven't even imagined the joys awaiting us in the next world.

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Re: This Generation
« Reply #73 on: Fri May 22, 2020 - 12:22:44 »
In another thread, one poster asked the following question:

"Can you please give a scripture reference where Jesus told the first century disciples He would return in their generation."

This was my response.  I hope many others will seriously reflect upon the question I asked in return.

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Of course all... of that response is given in error, leaving out important Scripture, with a totally confused mindset.

Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, 'See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'

3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?'
KJV


The 'subject' of Christ's Olivet discourse is that "... when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Keeping to that idea throughout the whole Chapter is REQUIRED.

What Preterism tries to do instead is LEAVE that idea right off the bat with supplanting that Scripture with another idea foreign to the context of the Chapter. And their idea is that all this was fulfilled in 70 A.D., so much so, that the worst group of Preterist lies is the false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles!

Crazy idea that is, because there is so much Bible Scripture of future events to occur with Christ's 2nd coming that have NEVER happened yet. And the main one is the literal, physical gathering of His Church to Him to reign with Him in Jerusalem! (Zechariah 14; 1 Thessalonians 4).

Let's see, does Jerusalem today recognize Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah? No, of course not, the orthodox Jews still reject Him!

It is so... easy to recognize Preterism is a lie, and a doctrine of devils. All one need do is keep to God's Word as written.




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Re: This Generation
« Reply #74 on: Sun May 24, 2020 - 08:48:49 »
Of course all... of that response is given in error, leaving out important Scripture, with a totally confused mindset.

Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, 'See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'

3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?'
KJV


The 'subject' of Christ's Olivet discourse is that "... when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Keeping to that idea throughout the whole Chapter is REQUIRED.

What Preterism tries to do instead is LEAVE that idea right off the bat with supplanting that Scripture with another idea foreign to the context of the Chapter. And their idea is that all this was fulfilled in 70 A.D., so much so, that the worst group of Preterist lies is the false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles!

Crazy idea that is, because there is so much Bible Scripture of future events to occur with Christ's 2nd coming that have NEVER happened yet. And the main one is the literal, physical gathering of His Church to Him to reign with Him in Jerusalem! (Zechariah 14; 1 Thessalonians 4).

Let's see, does Jerusalem today recognize Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah? No, of course not, the orthodox Jews still reject Him!

It is so... easy to recognize Preterism is a lie, and a doctrine of devils. All one need do is keep to God's Word as written.

Yes, you are correct.

This is an excellent example of how the translators who placed the punctuations and the paragraphs and chapters in place
cause a lot to be read, as it was written but mis -understood as the context was broken up.

Let me give you an easy example of how we all can be led wrong.

A verse we all can quote by heart Luke 23:43 kjv

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Through the centuries we have been taught and preach to that the thief went, on crucifixion day to be with Jesus in Paradise.

Had to be right... right? It is in the unerring KJV... and also the older ones as well.

But we know that could not be because Jesus had other things to do first before he could be in paradise with the thief.

NOW move a comma, that was NOT originally there.

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

All meaning is changed to verifying Jesus' promise that the thief was told today... and would be ~ at some point~ with Jesus in paradise.






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Re: This Generation
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Re: This Generation
« Reply #75 on: Sun May 24, 2020 - 13:16:15 »
Yes, you are correct.

This is an excellent example of how the translators who placed the punctuations and the paragraphs and chapters in place
cause a lot to be read, as it was written but mis -understood as the context was broken up.

Let me give you an easy example of how we all can be led wrong.

A verse we all can quote by heart Luke 23:43 kjv

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Through the centuries we have been taught and preach to that the thief went, on crucifixion day to be with Jesus in Paradise.

Had to be right... right? It is in the unerring KJV... and also the older ones as well.

But we know that could not be because Jesus had other things to do first before he could be in paradise with the thief.

NOW move a comma, that was NOT originally there.

“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

All meaning is changed to verifying Jesus' promise that the thief was told today... and would be ~ at some point~ with Jesus in paradise.

  This isn't the sub-forum to discuss it, but the KJV is NOT unerring - it has plenty of goofs & booboos.

The KJVO myth is as phony as the preterism myth.

  I shall be happy to discuss it in the "theology" forum in the "Debates" sub-forum, or any others the moderators wish.

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Re: This Generation
« Reply #76 on: Wed May 27, 2020 - 17:24:58 »
Of course all... of that response is given in error, leaving out important Scripture, with a totally confused mindset.

Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, 'See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'

3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?'
KJV


The 'subject' of Christ's Olivet discourse is that "... when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Keeping to that idea throughout the whole Chapter is REQUIRED.

What Preterism tries to do instead is LEAVE that idea right off the bat with supplanting that Scripture with another idea foreign to the context of the Chapter. And their idea is that all this was fulfilled in 70 A.D., so much so, that the worst group of Preterist lies is the false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles!

Crazy idea that is, because there is so much Bible Scripture of future events to occur with Christ's 2nd coming that have NEVER happened yet. And the main one is the literal, physical gathering of His Church to Him to reign with Him in Jerusalem! (Zechariah 14; 1 Thessalonians 4).

Let's see, does Jerusalem today recognize Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah? No, of course not, the orthodox Jews still reject Him!

It is so... easy to recognize Preterism is a lie, and a doctrine of devils. All one need do is keep to God's Word as written.
Keep trying dp or dpr, it was the end of the age, not the end of the world. What an easy thing for anyone to interpret!

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Re: This Generation
« Reply #77 on: Wed May 27, 2020 - 17:47:47 »
  This isn't the sub-forum to discuss it, but the KJV is NOT unerring - it has plenty of goofs & booboos.

The KJVO myth is as phony as the preterism myth.

  I shall be happy to discuss it in the "theology" forum in the "Debates" sub-forum, or any others the moderators wish.

No discussion needed.

I merely was repsponding to dpr's response of

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Of course all... of that response is given in error, leaving out important Scripture, with a totally confused mindset.

Matt 24:2-3
2 And Jesus said unto them, 'See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.'

3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?'
KJV

The 'subject' of Christ's Olivet discourse is that "... when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Keeping to that idea throughout the whole Chapter is REQUIRED.

What Preterism tries to do instead is LEAVE that idea right off the bat with supplanting that Scripture with another idea foreign to the context of the Chapter. And their idea is that all this was fulfilled in 70 A.D., so much so, that the worst group of Preterist lies is the false idea that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles!

By use of a bit of scripture that should be written the minds of every Christian and how a comma can change the meaning. Simply because the original transcribers and translators most likely gave an unnatural pause with their grammatical conventions to the original Greek as it was originally intended, allowing for such a break in flow of a concept,and the preterism believers saw that,adopted it, and ran  with it.

That is all.

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Re: This Generation
« Reply #78 on: Wed May 27, 2020 - 18:22:37 »
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