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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #35 on: Thu May 21, 2020 - 04:53:55 »
Show Biblically proof of your last sentence.

  Almost all the Jews, except the Sadducees, wanted Messiah to free them from Rome. Even His disciples, after His resurrection, asked Him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel ?" (Acts 1:6) (The Sadducees' lofty positions were given to them by the Romans, so naturally they didn't want to be free of the Romans.)

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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #36 on: Sun May 24, 2020 - 15:56:52 »
  And Jesus is gonna be JUST THAT !

 The Pharisees wanted it RIGHT THEN, but they hadn't heeded OT prophecy about Messiah.

Not so. While the priestly party did not recognize the authority of the prophetic books, the Pharisees, who had great followings in the synagogues, regarded the Prophets as part of Scripture and looked for messianic fulfillment.

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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #37 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 09:51:51 »
Not so. While the priestly party did not recognize the authority of the prophetic books, the Pharisees, who had great followings in the synagogues, regarded the Prophets as part of Scripture and looked for messianic fulfillment.
Right, up to a point. They wanted Messiah to free them from the Romans IMMEDIATELY.

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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #38 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 12:47:08 »
Right, up to a point. They wanted Messiah to free them from the Romans IMMEDIATELY.

The Pharisees focused on the Mosaic law found in the Torah. Their radical obedience to the Law, which often fell into legalism, created a distinction between them and the Romans. Ultimately, the Pharisees expected the Messiah to hold the Law in the same regard that they did, and through obedience to the Law they hoped for a revolutionary change among Judaism that would overthrow the Roman empire nonviolently.

Not "immediately." "They hoped for" is not something in an instant.

It was the zealots (of which you fail to acknowledge in your view) who wanted " immediate "overthrow of Rome. Zealots wanted to break the burden of Rome just like the rest of the Jews, but their means of doing so were bloody and violent. Apocryphal stories of the Maccabean revolt during the intertestamental period show that the zealots hoped for the Messiah to lead militarily against Rome.

There's really no point in discussing your knowledge of the Pharisees. Jesus knew their hearts and in Matt.23, He explains it all!


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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #39 on: Mon May 25, 2020 - 13:21:55 »

The Pharisees focused on the Mosaic law found in the Torah. Their radical obedience to the Law, which often fell into legalism, created a distinction between them and the Romans. Ultimately, the Pharisees expected the Messiah to hold the Law in the same regard that they did, and through obedience to the Law they hoped for a revolutionary change among Judaism that would overthrow the Roman empire nonviolently.

Not "immediately." "They hoped for" is not something in an instant.

It was the zealots (of which you fail to acknowledge in your view) who wanted " immediate "overthrow of Rome. Zealots wanted to break the burden of Rome just like the rest of the Jews, but their means of doing so were bloody and violent. Apocryphal stories of the Maccabean revolt during the intertestamental period show that the zealots hoped for the Messiah to lead militarily against Rome.

There's really no point in discussing your knowledge of the Pharisees. Jesus knew their hearts and in Matt.23, He explains it all!

  The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus was Messiah because He had not advocated freeing the Jews from Rome by any means. And Judas Iscariot, also a Zealot, was badly disappointed in Him for the same reason. Judas simply ignored all His miracles, and didn't know the prophecies concerning His first coming.

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Re: Continuing on the millennium fallacy
« Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 17:17:56 »
  The Pharisees didn't believe Jesus was Messiah because He had not advocated freeing the Jews from Rome by any means. And Judas Iscariot, also a Zealot, was badly disappointed in Him for the same reason. Judas simply ignored all His miracles, and didn't know the prophecies concerning His first coming.
Like I stated, who cares about the Pharisees beyond what Jesus said about them in Matthew 23?

You seem to care about unsaved Jews too much.

 

     
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