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Re: We are caught away individually in successions.
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2012, 12:29:08 AM »
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This is when the 144,000 are sealed and offer salvation.

These are already saved........

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Re: We are caught away individually in successions.
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2012, 10:57:06 AM »
Let's return to the question of how sleeping ones could be in heaven.
   The Bible consistently uses sleep as a metaphor for death because the resurrection is like awakening from an unconscious sleep. Let's look at the story of the resurrection of Lazarus:
   ". . . [Jesus] saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead."John 11:11
   This means that souls are not in heaven but in the grave awaiting the resurrection. Peter described David this way. "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. . . . For David is not ascended into the heavens." (Acts 2:29, 34).
   So souls who have died are sleeping and have not gone anywhere. They could not therefore come down from heaven to join their bodies. They sleep awaiting the call of Jesus to awaken at the resurrection 1th0415,16.

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Re: We are caught away individually in successions.
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2012, 01:52:03 PM »
Let's return to the question of how sleeping ones could be in heaven.
   The Bible consistently uses sleep as a metaphor for death because the resurrection is like awakening from an unconscious sleep. Let's look at the story of the resurrection of Lazarus:
   ". . . [Jesus] saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead."John 11:11
   This means that souls are not in heaven but in the grave awaiting the resurrection. Peter described David this way. "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. . . . For David is not ascended into the heavens." (Acts 2:29, 34).
   So souls who have died are sleeping and have not gone anywhere. They could not therefore come down from heaven to join their bodies. They sleep awaiting the call of Jesus to awaken at the resurrection 1th0415,16.

The old testament saints could NOT go to heaven before their sins were paid in full. They could NOT go into the presence of a holy God. Jesus said, "No man has ascended into heaven...."

Their souls went down to sheol to sleep until Christ fully atoned for their sins at the heavenly altar. Many people think that the old testament saints went to heaven because Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. This is a false conclusion. Moses and Elijah were called up from sheol specifically for that occasion. King Saul ordered the medium of Endor to call Samuel up from sheol and he came up. Samuel even said to Saul, "Why are you disturbing me by bringing me UP" (1 Samuel 28)?

After Christ paid for their sins in full at the heavenly altar they were resurrected from sheol. After that sheol (hades) was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14). From that point onward God's people do NOT go down to sheol to sleep when they die. They are "caught up" immediately when they die. If you were to die in an accident you would be "caught up" and changed "in a moment and in the twinkling of an eye." The next thing you would know is that you are with Jesus clothed in your body from heaven never to taste death again (2 cor. 4:16-5:5).

Your loved ones will take care of the body you leave behind.

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Re: We are caught away individually in successions.
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2012, 08:40:55 PM »
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After Christ paid for their sins in full at the heavenly altar they were resurrected from sheol.





Wait a minute,in your post of 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 on page 1 towards the bottom,you said to Debbie_55 that Christ didn't pay for no ones sins yet! You were just caught & defeated by your own contradictory rubbish! I don't know if you've noticed but alot of other members are always putting up a challenge to your own Biblical ideaology & are constantly winning that battle against you!
Who's the one that made the comment of me being the blind trying to lead the blind,it looks like you're the one that keeps falling in the ditch my friend but WE're not blinded to your blindness & will NEVER follow your Preteristic ways!

I just don't get it,if you don't believe in the end times as of now instead of 70 A.D.,then why do you get on the End Time Forum?



                         "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
                 The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge,But the mouth of the fool feeds on foolishness."
                                                             ---The Proverbs of Solomon,1:7 & 15:14
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