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A Foundation Guide
« on: Thu Oct 28, 2010 - 15:18:09 »
The Holy Spirit established the universal church as in Acts 2, and the apostles were ordained to teach it and propagate it, as we see in the Epistles.  After the apostles were removed it continued by the work of the Spirit in believers and elders in the various assemblies (after a time of meeting by faithful saints in secret for nearly 1500 years of religious oppression and tyranny).  Casting away the traditions and the "emerging" theology ideas today and holding only to Holy Scripture, we should look there to find a scriptural expression of the true church.  

As a guide one might find a sound expression of the scriptural order in the following paper from the site at www.biblecounsel.homestead.com.  I believe it can be helpful.

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A  FOUNDATION  GUIDE  FOR  THE  ASSEMBLY
By R. DeWitt, '07; rev. 9/10

[A few thoughts here from other papers to help Christians, who have never heard of the revival of 1827, and were not reared within a scriptural assembly.  Some Christians are associated with so-called High Churches who have a formal hierarchy of priestly men and many rituals, with their doctrines, rules, and form;  some believers are at the other extreme with various independent, casual, and open sects who follow varied innovations to make them appealing and popular with men;  and many Christian groups are somewhere between these.  We need, rather, to endeavor to be pleasing to God and yielded to His Word, and a "born again" believer, and that is what this fellowship from 1827 is about.]

THE GATHERING PLACE  according to the scriptural order for the church, is probably not like anything one has known from the various Christian gatherings they have seen in the world, who often take a name, have a hierarchy of leaders, follow rituals, ceremonies and rules, may embrace worldly ways, have entertainment and activities, programs, innovations, etc.  That is man's ideas to please men, rather than true to the Word of God.  One needs to decide if they want to be a part of a scriptural assembly as a worldwide fellowship, and as a local expression of that, or follow traditions and the popular ideas of men.  A true believer ought to seek to know church truth, church history, talk with the elders associated with the gathering, be baptized, pray much, and be an observer for a time before asking to be received into that scriptural fellowship from 1827.  Reception is not dependent on knowing all the Scripture, but one should come simply in faith as a learner.  One should come with the thought of "unity of the faith" and in truth.  Certainly, we do not expect perfection with any saints, but God has preserved the testimony and pathway that He ordained.

THE WORD OF GOD  should be our only authority for the Christian faith, not rules, creeds, the reasoning of men and personal preferences.  One should study the Word, seek counsel from sound teachers, and pray earnestly.

THE ASSEMBLY LIFE  concerns Christian love, happy fellowship, and the various meetings and function as in Acts 2:41-42 and the Epistles, a Godly spirit, and the care and fellowship for all the saints.  One should stand apart from various sects and appreciate the truth of expressing the "one body of Christ
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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #1 on: Sun Jan 30, 2011 - 20:24:21 »
Just a thought here;

quoted from OP:

THE WORD OF GOD  should be our only authority for the Christian faith, not rules, creeds, the reasoning of men and personal preferences.  One should study the Word, seek counsel from sound teachers, and pray earnestly


I agree with the first assertion fully.  ::smile::  The Word of God should be our only authority for the Christian faith.

However, I see a wee problem with the rest of this statement because it appears (IMO) to contradict it's self just a wee bit.

Meaning; if we should study the Word (Bible/Scriptures) (YES !), SEEK COUNSEL FROM SOUND TEACHERS (uh, hmmmm, wait...........)

If we ARE NOT to consider the reasoning of men and personal preferences, why are we to SEEK the counsel from sound teachers?  Would not these teachers HAVE to use their "reasoning" of the Scriptures to become "sound"?

...........just wondering I guess.............

quoted from the OP:

THE HONOR AND GLORY OF THE LORD  ought to be paramount among the saints in our personal life and the assembly, rather than pleasing men with their religious ideas.


I like this one.................  ::smile::


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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #2 on: Sun Jan 30, 2011 - 20:56:04 »
Just a thought here;

quoted from OP:

THE WORD OF GOD  should be our only authority for the Christian faith, not rules, creeds, the reasoning of men and personal preferences.  One should study the Word, seek counsel from sound teachers, and pray earnestly


I agree with the first assertion fully.  ::smile::  The Word of God should be our only authority for the Christian faith.


The Word of God is Christ himself (Jhn1:1), not just the Bible.  The NT itself says we need also listen to the apostles too (2. Thess. 2:25).  We are also told that truth is found in the church (I Tim 3:15).   Furthermore, we are told to submit to authorities and that our leaders watch over our souls. (Heb 13:17).


So, are we solely supposed to read the Bible and get it's authority from it alone?

The Scriptures are clear, No.


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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #3 on: Sun Jan 30, 2011 - 21:03:13 »
Just a thought here;

quoted from OP:

THE WORD OF GOD  should be our only authority for the Christian faith, not rules, creeds, the reasoning of men and personal preferences.  One should study the Word, seek counsel from sound teachers, and pray earnestly


I agree with the first assertion fully.  ::smile::  The Word of God should be our only authority for the Christian faith.


The Word of God is Christ himself (Jhn1:1), not just the Bible.  The NT itself says we need also listen to the apostles too (2. Thess. 2:25).  We are also told that truth is found in the church (I Tim 3:15).   Furthermore, we are told to submit to authorities and that our leaders watch over our souls. (Heb 13:17).


So, are we solely supposed to read the Bible and get it's authority from it alone?

The Scriptures are clear, No.



uh, hmmmm......  ::shrug:: That's kinda what I was saying I thought,  but the first part of that particular quote referrs to "the authority" for the Christian faith.  Jesus is not only "the authority" of the Christian faith, He is the Creator of the Christian faith is He not?  But Jesus "as the Word" and the Holy Bible "as the Word" are two different things IMO, sigh............and I fear this will end up with a tag that soon reads:

"THIS THREAD MOVED TO THE THEOLOGY FORUM........."


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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #4 on: Thu Feb 24, 2011 - 20:48:16 »
This subject is about maintaining church truth, not about sects and systems of men.  I can see what you are saying, p.rehbein,  but I think the premise of the paper was that esteemed Bible scholars down through history have given us enough understanding of holy Scripture to be able to see what truth for the church is.  Believers do not need to have each believer re-interpreting Scripture, as often is happening in Christendom, which results in new sects formed every year.  Of course, I know that many will oppose this in order to defend their own sects, but I am talking about the need to bow to the Word of God for unity in the world.

We should value the Gospels as the truth and plan of redemption, and the Epistles as the messages of the Apostles for church truth.  This then should be maintained by the collective mind of all the saints in a universal church fellowship.  This has been working for the fellowship I am associated with since the early 1800's.  Each assembly applies the same understanding of all the assemblies with us in the world ---thus a unity expressing the "one body" as God intended worldwide.  

Some critics would say we thus have a hierarchy like all denoms., but that does not happen, for there is no recognized hierarchy, but highly esteemed Bible teachers everywhere  in the world who can help local assemblies find the true path God intended, showing forth "unity of the faith" universal, in "one accord" (Phil.2:2).  It works very well, and we thus continue in each locality to express what God intended in the beginning, as shown in Acts 2 and the Epistles.  One can see this in practice at the web site: biblecounsel.homestead.com

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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #5 on: Wed Mar 09, 2011 - 06:28:27 »
Serious said:

We should value the Gospels as the truth and plan of redemption, and the Epistles as the messages of the Apostles for church truth.  This then should be maintained by the collective mind of all the saints in a universal church fellowship.  This has been working for the fellowship I am associated with since the early 1800's.  Each assembly applies the same understanding of all the assemblies with us in the world ---thus a unity expressing the "one body" as God intended worldwide.
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Our/my Church was founded on the principal of "there is only one Church."  My Church, the Church of God, Anderson, Indiana Reformation Movement founded in the early 1800's believes that the Written Word of God, the Holy Bible is the Truth and is to be taught as such.  We believe that Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God is the Authority of all. 

We see the Gospels as the books that teach/tell of the Ministry/Life of Christ as man and the establishment of God's salvation plan and the fulfillment of the Law.

We see the Epistles as the teachings of the Apostles to the Church.

This is pretty much in line with what you are saying I believe, so..........

My disagreement was clear I thought in that the one part of the OP contradicted itself.

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THE WORD OF GOD  should be our only authority for the Christian faith, not rules, creeds, the reasoning of men and personal preferences.  One should study the Word, seek counsel from sound teachers, and pray earnestl
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This statement is the one I am speaking of.  See the phrase in the first sentance that says "the reasoning of men and personal preferences"  then look at the phrase in the second sentance that says "seek counsel from sound teachers"
IOM these two contradict eachother.  That is what I was trying to point out.

God bless..............


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Re: A Foundation Guide
« Reply #6 on: Wed Mar 09, 2011 - 13:37:01 »
Yes, I think I answered that Q. friend in the second paragraph of my last post.  The collective mind of the gifted teachers in the world will bring understanding to the local assembly to get the truth of an issue.  All of these gatherings in the world teach and practice the same things as "unity of the faith".  It is what God intended for the church. We do not want to be following the ideas of one brother in the local gathering, but see the mind of the universal fellowship and the Bible teachers down thru history.

Feel free to write me personally if you would like to discuss some things about church truth (aninterface@hotmail.com).  Unity of believers in expressing "the one body in Christ" is an important objective for faithful saints --would you agree?  Look up always!

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