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Title: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 07:04:11
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I too also have protestant friends. I will not say that protestants do not go to heaven but please read this with an open mind

http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp

This not to debate and argue only to inform.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jon-Marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 17:09:50
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:17:12
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.
Therer is no historical evidence to support another church that existed simultaneously with the historic church.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jaime on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:22:53
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:26:21
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:27:47

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh come on. That has no historic validity whatsoever.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:28:06
I thought we were a Presbyterian schism.  As such, I fear my Irish-Catholic forebears would be scandalized.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:29:36

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh come on. That has no historic validity whatsoever.

Oh, but it does.  A student of history would know this.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:30:35
I thought we were a Presbyterian schism.  As such, I fear my Irish-Catholic forebears would be scandalized.

Presbyterians helped the CofC's sect themselves out of the Baptist Church.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:31:32
It doesn't matter because all of your churches split off around the end of the first century, leaving only a small struggling remnant to survive unnoticed until the One True Church was restored in the early 1800s.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jaime on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:33:07
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh yeah!...............Read it and weep.

Rom 16:16  Salute one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ salute you.
 
::bracingmyself::
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:34:50

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh come on. That has no historic validity whatsoever.

Oh, but it does.  A student of history would know this.

A careful read of early Christian writings shows that they believed in apostolic succession, the eucharist, the intercession of saints...   ..in a word, they were thoroughly Catholic in every sense. Even Eusubius' 4th century work "History of the Church" traces back the succession of the major sees - including the see of Rome - back to the original apostles. There is a reason why the Catechism of the Catholic Church is saturated with quotations from the ECF's - because their beliefs were our beliefs. It was the Catholic Church which canonized the Bible itself in the 4th century, and Pope Damasus I who ratified that canonization.

Now, you please show me one early Christian work of antiquity that says the contrary


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It doesn't matter because all of your churches split off around the end of the first century, leaving only a small struggling remnant to survive unnoticed until the One True Church was restored in the early 1800s.
That remnant theory is a fantasy, with no historical evidence to back it up. It is the only way that some Fundamentalists to escape the reality that they cannot come to grips with, that the early Church was Catholic in every sense.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:36:25

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh come on. That has no historic validity whatsoever.

Oh, but it does.  A student of history would know this.

A careful read of early Christian writings shows that they believed in apostolic succession, the eucharist, the intercession of saints...   ..in a word, they were thoroughly Catholic in every sense. Even Eusubius' 4th century work "History of the Church" traces back the succession of the major sees - including the see of Rome - back to the original apostles. There is a reason why the Catechism of the Catholic Church is saturated with quotations from the ECF's. It was the Catholic Church itself which canonized the Bible in the 4th century, and Pope Damasus I who ratified that canonization.

Now, you please show me one early Christian work of antiquity that says the contrary

All of this after the Great Schism, of course. 

As to the one early Christian work of antiquity that says the contrary, I'll nominate the New Testament. 
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:38:35
As to the one early Christian work of antiquity that says the contrary, I'll nominate the New Testament. 

That too is Catholic
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:39:14
Not mine.  Mine's Anglican.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:41:33

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh come on. That has no historic validity whatsoever.

Oh, but it does.  A student of history would know this.

A careful read of early Christian writings shows that they believed in apostolic succession, the eucharist, the intercession of saints...   ..in a word, they were thoroughly Catholic in every sense. Even Eusubius' 4th century work "History of the Church" traces back the succession of the major sees - including the see of Rome - back to the original apostles. There is a reason why the Catechism of the Catholic Church is saturated with quotations from the ECF's - because their beliefs were our beliefs. It was the Catholic Church which canonized the Bible itself in the 4th century, and Pope Damasus I who ratified that canonization.

Now, you please show me one early Christian work of antiquity that says the contrary


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It doesn't matter because all of your churches split off around the end of the first century, leaving only a small struggling remnant to survive unnoticed until the One True Church was restored in the early 1800s.
That remnant theory is a fantasy, with no historical evidence to back it up. It is the only way that some Fundamentalists to escape the reality that they cannot come to grips with, that the early Church was Catholic in every sense.

the inquisition did their best to wipe out written records but Keith Sisman has found Baptist churches (he thinks they were CofCs) with roots back to Pentecost.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:42:18
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Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:43:46
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anyone can make a picture of lies.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:45:33
the inquisition did their best to wipe out written records but Keith Sisman has found Baptist churches (he thinks they were CofCs) with roots back to Pentecost.

The preponderance of historical evidence says otherwise. As I said, this is the only way that some Fundamentalists the escape the reality that they cannot come to grips with, which is that the early Church was Catholic, thoroughly.

But this is you guys forum section, so I'll get out.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:46:04
I like my chart better.  And it's from wikipedia, so you know it's true.

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Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:47:29
anyone can make a picture of lies.

Anyone like Keith Sisman ?

Oh no, certainly not him. All the history books and ancient Christian testimonies are all lies, but not Keith Sisman. No way, right?

See ya' later
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:48:03
As much as I enjoy seeing sarcasm getting taken seriously, it's past bedtime.  Good night.  
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:49:22
I like my chart better.  And it's from wikipedia, so you know it's true.

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Your chart is cool with me, because it still proves I am right. I see no Baptist sect until the 16th century on your chart. Thanks for the assist.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:52:14
Well yeah, of course Gary's wrong. The dashed line is the one that goes back the farthest.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jimbob on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:53:52
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anyone can make a picture of lies.
You think that's a chart?  Check this one out: The Church -- apostasy from it and return to it -- Historically traced (http://charlesdailey.net/ChurchHistoryRev2-11.pdf)
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jimbob on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:56:22
The whole problem with Catholics claiming they never were part of division or splits, or what not is that it's as credible as a cheating man blaming his beaten-down ex-wife for the divorce.  If it hadn't been for its own corruption the Protestants wouldn't have left.  All Luther did was present the lip-stick stained shirt collar.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 21:57:44
That's the chart I was looking for, but I couldn't find an image. Well, that should be the end of the discussion.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jimbob on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 22:01:00
Burton Barber, by the way, is from a group called "Church of Christ" that is broke free from the DoC in mid-20th century, not the a cappella Churches of Christ.  They generally think the a cappella CofC's & the ICC/CoC are too liberal.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Tue Jan 06, 2009 - 22:02:33
Well, he's proven that they were first, so I'll join his group.  After all, Jesus said what was improtant was being able to trace our spiritual geneology all the way back to stones that were children of Abraham, or something like that.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tu Es Petrus on Wed Jan 07, 2009 - 07:00:07
Well yeah, of course Gary's wrong. The dashed line is the one that goes back the farthest.

You'll note that the dashed line says "claimed". The claim is just that - a claim - not a verified fact, which is what I've been saying all along:
That remnant theory is a fantasy, with no historical evidence to back it up.....

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: ole Jake on Wed Jan 07, 2009 - 09:24:27
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

To make the case that even a collection of churches with differing doctrines and practices that somehow constitute the one true church existed alongside the Catholic church from the 1st century until now, you must see Gnostic groups (such as the Cathars and the Valentinians) as key part of that one true church persecuted by the evil Catholics.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Wed Jan 07, 2009 - 15:20:34
Well yeah, of course Gary's wrong. The dashed line is the one that goes back the farthest.

You'll note that the dashed line says "claimed". The claim is just that - a claim - not a verified fact, which is what I've been saying all along:
That remnant theory is a fantasy, with no historical evidence to back it up.....



You would think that after a person comes straight out and tells you their posts are sarcasm, you'd get it.  Perhaps this thread should be closed-captioned for the sarcasm impaired.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 15:56:11
I grew up with a chart similar to that Burton Barber thing.

Here is something that will really have Tu thinking CoC people are wacko. The cornerstone of my church building says "Church of Christ, founded AD 33." We have it carved in stone that we have been around since day one. Peter was our first located preacher. All of us true believers know that before Peter got up to speak on Pentecost the assigned announcer for the service first had to say, "We want to welcome everyone here today especially visitors. We invite you to come back to each and every service. Before we begin a few announcements. Zechariah is home laying on a bed of affliction. Elizabeth is providentially hindered from being here today. Brother Fred is visiting his brother Brother Amos in Cesarea and will worship with his sister Sister Salome tonight, God willing. Now pick up a song book and turn to number 665 and join in as we sing." Yep, we know nothing has changed since that day in Jerusalem when the  brethren and sistern gathered to eat crackers and drink Welch's grape juice. It is the rest of you people who left us.

[The part about the cornerstone is true although even I have trouble with it]
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: kensington on Tue Jan 13, 2009 - 16:33:28
The whole problem with Catholics claiming they never were part of division or splits, or what not is that it's as credible as a cheating man blaming his beaten-down ex-wife for the divorce.  If it hadn't been for its own corruption the Protestants wouldn't have left.  All Luther did was present the lip-stick stained shirt collar.

Amen... and I LOVED Marcs chart.... I claim it as my own! 
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Jan 18, 2009 - 16:36:50
 According to the Roman Catholic church...the only protestants today are......

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Sun Jan 18, 2009 - 17:11:15
According to the Roman Catholic church...the only protestants today are......

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).


Paul, Acts 20.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Mon Jan 19, 2009 - 09:03:27
According to the Roman Catholic church...the only protestants today are......

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).


Paul, Acts 20.

Another Catholic, obviously.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Mon Jan 19, 2009 - 12:40:26



Paul, Acts 20.

Another Catholic, obviously.

Maybe Paul was catholic. Afterall, isn't he refered to as St. Paul? If he had been CoC he would be Brother Paul.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: katholikos on Mon Jan 19, 2009 - 12:55:13
According to the Roman Catholic church...the only protestants today are......

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).

"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).



Sir:
If you are going to preface a statement with the words "According to the Catholic Church...." then you cannot go on to quote some non-authoritative magazine or periodical. If you are going to preface a statement with the words "According to the Catholic Church...." then you need to quote either a conciliar document or the official Catechism.

Now here is what the Catechism says regarding protestants:
source link: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church" (Unitatis redintegratio 3 § 1).

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" (Lumen Gentium 8 § 2) are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements" (UR 3 § 2; cf. LG 15). Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him (Cf. UR 3), and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity" (Cf. LG 8).  

ALSO:

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter" (LG 15). Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church" (UR 3). With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist" (Paul VI, Discourse, December 14, 1975; cf. UR 13-18).  

I respect people's different beliefs and everyone's right to believe them. But if you are going to try to represent Catholic beliefs, then represent them accurately please. A Catholic periodical article is no more an authoritative representation of Catholic doctrine than an article in some other magazine is an an authoritative representation of your denominations's doctrine.

The two documents quoted in the aboce Catechism sections, Unitatis redintegratio and Lumen Gentium, are Vatican II conciliar documents and therefore authoritative representations of Catholic beliefs.



Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Mon Jan 19, 2009 - 15:25:30
You seem to be up on the fine points of Catholic law but would the average Catholic know this or would he get his information from periodicals or books like 3AM quoted from?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: katholikos on Mon Jan 19, 2009 - 17:25:55
You seem to be up on the fine points of Catholic law but would the average Catholic know this or would he get his information from periodicals or books like 3AM quoted from?

Its not "law", its the teaching (i.e. doctrine) of the Church.
But having said that, Catholics are just like anyone else: There are those who take the time to study their faith, and those who just warm up a pew every Sunday. I'd venture to guess that protestants couldf be divided up about the same way.

For those who do know their faith, I'd say YES, the average Catholic DOES know this. Many of them may not quote the Catechism verbatim as I did, but there is a general sense among Catholics - even Catholics who do NOT study much - that protestants are Christian brothers and sisters just like we are. It is sad to say the threre are large segments of protestantism who do not reciprocate the same sentiments back towards us.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Sat Feb 14, 2009 - 23:13:13
All I know is my church is called A violent and extremely radical body of ecclesiastico-civil reformers which first made its appearance in 1521 at Zwickau, in the present kingdom of Saxony, and still exists in milder forms.

All because I am in a  church that follows the anabaptist belief.

Makes me even prouder to be so hated by the catholics.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: artm on Mon Feb 16, 2009 - 11:01:08
I must admit that I am rather shocked by this post. For the Catholic Church to teach that they are the " One true Church " is against all that the Scripture declare.

If Catholics would just read the Bible for themselves,Sorry, I forgot they are not allowed to do that, unless that has changed.

Christ died on the Cross for all those who would by Faith receive and accept Him as Saviour.

To say that Christ died only for Catholics is an Abomination.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Mar 01, 2009 - 13:40:45
And that message is to abandon Sunday worship services, as they are the Mark of Authorty by the Roman Catholic church.

DOCUMENTATION:

"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).

   Romans 6:16   "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"


"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....From the beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).


"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).


"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Sun Mar 01, 2009 - 16:11:30
Quote
"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).

What about Acts 20:7?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Thu Mar 12, 2009 - 14:43:41
Quote
"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).
Acts 20:7 has nothing to do with Christ's Resurrection.

Towards the end of the chapter it plainly states that that sunday meeting was a farewell meeting for Paul, as the verse says, thhat they would nevewr see him again.

20:36   And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all. 
  20:37   And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him, 
  20:38   Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship. 

What about Acts 20:7?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: mclees8 on Sat Apr 04, 2009 - 21:29:25
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.


Hi My name is Mike and I go by mike123. I have spent the last five years in a Catholic Protestant chat room on AOL. Aol has now cut many boards and mine was one of them. I have now found this one. In my five years I have learned much about the Catholic Protestant arguments. I have heard them all. I am now neither Catholic or Protestant but have kept my faith. I am a follower of Christ just as they were when the church was first born of 120 followers who waited for the promise of the Holy spirit and received power to be bold witnesses for Christ on the day of Pentecost.
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Please note that there was no Roman catholic church At pentecost niether was there any Protestant denominationalism. These followers were just who they were. disciples and followers of Christ. There were no popes or cardinals waring fancy vestments or hats.   They were not even called Christins yet let alone Catholic. There is no known usage of the word catholic before Ignatius used it 100 years latter. It was just a term he chose to use that means universal church. One universal faith in Christ. A term yhat caught on and became aterm for the church Still there was no RCC then and inatius was speaking of followers of christ. Remember that the Roman catholic church did come to be until after Constantine another two hundred years later. Inatius did not use this word in any connection nor is it synonomous with what the RCC when it became a religious political church that forced its religion on the whole Empire. By the true defination of the word all beleivers are catholic, we are not all  Roman Catholic nor are we subject the the pope.

There is much more to all this. But I will post more latter. this is good for a start. 
mike123

 

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:29:15
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

And Yet, Baptists hold Catholic Doctrines, even to this day.

So then, How can it be said that they are totally separated ?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 11:00:42
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

And Yet, Baptists hold Catholic Doctrines, even to this day.

So then, How can it be said that they are totally separated ?

SDA's have a Virgin Mary that they worship named Ellen G. White.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 11:10:14
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

And Yet, Baptists hold Catholic Doctrines, even to this day.

So then, How can it be said that they are totally separated ?

SDA's have a Virgin Mary that they worship named Ellen G. White.
From your statement here, I see that you don't know what SDA's believe.

Well then, before anyone gets the wrong impression by that statement error.

 Anyone who has ever known a 7th Day Adventist, knows SDA's only acknowledge Jesus Christ, as Lord and Savior.

 And, the Bible is the final authority of every SDA.

There are some people out there who hate SDA's (Revelation 12:17), because the Bible has identified them as God's Last day movement, to prepare people for Christ's soon return.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 12:34:42

There are some people out there who hate SDA's (Revelation 12:17), because the Bible has identified them as God's Last day movement, to prepare people for Christ's soon return.
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Thanks for the laugh. 

Your denomination when you get to Heaven will fall off, when you get to Hell it will burn off. 


SDA's are not the true church neither is the Roman Catholics or any one protestant denomination. 

The Church that The Bible speaks of are followers of CHRIST.  No matter what faith, race or creed.

If you do not like the truth that I have spoken then cry me a river, build yourself a bridge and get over it.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 12:43:15
I don't hate SDA's.. I just think they are total crackpots... like Wacko, Heavens Gate.. etc.

They make me sad...
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 12:49:06
I do not hate them either.  But like I said the denominations including the Catholics are man made.  The Church that GOD made is in our hearts not a building.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sat Apr 18, 2009 - 13:04:22
I do not hate them either.  But like I said the denominations including the Catholics are man made.  The Church that GOD made is in our hearts not a building.
You misunderstand what was said:
 SDA's are the only protestant body of Bible believers, that are currently protesting against the doctrines of the RCC.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Sat Apr 18, 2009 - 14:30:26
I do not hate them either.  But like I said the denominations including the Catholics are man made.  The Church that GOD made is in our hearts not a building.
You misunderstand what was said:
 SDA's are the only protestant body of Bible believers, that are currently protesting against the doctrines of the RCC.

Again you are incorrect, The C.O.B.  is openly against the Catholic Church.  Esp. since they think we are a dangerous sect.  My Penticostal church also speaks openly against the Cathlic Church. 
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sat Apr 18, 2009 - 14:55:04
If any church follows any of the RCC's doctrines...what does that say about them ?

The RCC has established Sunday worship services:
DOCUMENTATION:

"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).

   Romans 6:16   "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"  


"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....From the beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).


"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).

"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).


"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 02:04:45
If you worship on Saterday then you worship on the sabbith which is wrong.  But honestly, I worship Sunday through Saterday.  At 3 different churches, Why?  Because I believe GOD needs to be worshiped more than 1 day a week.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 08:31:43
If you worship on Saterday then you worship on the sabbith which is wrong.  But honestly, I worship Sunday through Saterday.  At 3 different churches, Why?  Because I believe GOD needs to be worshiped more than 1 day a week.
Jesus Christ is the pattern for every Christian to follow.

He set the example: 1 Peter  2:21   For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 

  2:22   Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 

so then, what day of the week, did Jesus attend religious services ?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 08:35:26
If you worship on Saterday then you worship on the sabbith which is wrong.  But honestly, I worship Sunday through Saterday.  At 3 different churches, Why?  Because I believe GOD needs to be worshiped more than 1 day a week.
Jesus Christ is the pattern for every Christian to follow.

He set the example: 1 Peter  2:21   For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 

  2:22   Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 

so then, what day of the week, did Jesus attend religious services ?

whatever day the currupt jewish clergy determined that they wanted the sabbath.  so christ followed the tradition of the culture of the time..

You SDA's are such nut jobs... can't see the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:19:16

whatever day the currupt jewish clergy determined that they wanted the sabbath.  so christ followed the tradition of the culture of the time..
You just prove you know nothing about Jesus Christ, with that statement, as Jesus did not go along with the religious leaders.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:23:12

whatever day the currupt jewish clergy determined that they wanted the sabbath.  so christ followed the tradition of the culture of the time..
You just prove you know nothing about Jesus Christ, with that statement, as Jesus did not go along with the religious leaders.



Theologically you are correct... but he was a good Jew according to the customs set down by God and interpreted by the religious leaders of his day.

Regardless of what you think, Jesus only came for one purpose only.. to live a sinless life and die on the cross for our sins.  While he was alive he abided by his own word and showed the religious leaders of his day that it wasn't adherence to the law that saved them.. it was faith in the coming price the messiah would pay for their sins.

SDA's are falling into the same pit as the religious leaders of Jesus day and have not learned a single thing from Jesus ministry... adherence to the law saves no one.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:30:52
Regardless of what you think, Jesus only came for one purpose only.. to live a sinless life and die on the cross for our sins. 

He also did this:  42:21   The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable. 

Which HE did with the Sermon on the Mount (Chapter 5 of Matthew)
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:37:43
Regardless of what you think, Jesus only came for one purpose only.. to live a sinless life and die on the cross for our sins. 

He also did this:  42:21   The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable. 

Which HE did with the Sermon on the Mount (Chapter 5 of Matthew)

Of course.. he was speaking before he died and paid for our sins.. during his ministry all the Old Law still applied.. 

You need to remember that Jesus ministry.. every thing he said.. was to Jews of the Old Covenant.. trying to prepare them for the New Covenant... the problem is that early christians tried to combine old and new covenant practices.. and it is common for some people who call themselves christians to promulgate the same errors today.

it no longer exists.. unless you are trying to be a Judiazer.

Most christians are so chronologically challenged.  The promise to Abraham was made 1000+ before Israel came out of Egypt and God instituted the his Law for them.

When the new testament talks about the in grafting of Christians to the promise made to Abraham it is doing just that.. in grafting Christians into a covenant that existed prior to the giving of the law... so the law given to Israel does not apply to us.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Bon Voyage on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:48:10
Regardless of what you think, Jesus only came for one purpose only.. to live a sinless life and die on the cross for our sins. 

He also did this:  42:21   The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable. 

Which HE did with the Sermon on the Mount (Chapter 5 of Matthew)


He FULFILLED the law.  Those that are in Christ, are no longer under The LAW, but GRACE. 

A note to those folks such as yourself trying to be justified by keeping the Law.

Galatians 5:4

4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 10:51:42
Regardless of what you think, Jesus only came for one purpose only.. to live a sinless life and die on the cross for our sins. 

He also did this:  42:21   The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable. 

Which HE did with the Sermon on the Mount (Chapter 5 of Matthew)


He FULFILLED the law.  Those that are in Christ, are no longer under The LAW, but GRACE. 

A note to those folks such as yourself trying to be justified by keeping the Law.

Galatians 5:4

4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.


Amen
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:00:39
He FULFILLED the law. 
And HE told Christ's do do the same.

 John  15:10   If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 

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Those that are in Christ, are no longer under The LAW, but GRACE. 
What many people don't understand is that when a person is 'under the Law', it means they are disobeying it (breaking the Law) Romans 3:19.

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A note to those folks such as yourself trying to be justified by keeping the Law.

Galatians 5:4

4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

OK...do we then throw out what God said ?

Romans   3:31   Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.   
QUESTION: Who are the 'we' ?

Also should we throw out Romans 2: 13 as well ?
 2:13   (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:02:25
Keep hanging onto your tenuous argument... it amuses me.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:06:04
Keep hanging onto your tenuous argument... it amuses me.

Will amuse you come God's Judgment Day.....and God asks you why you disobey His Will ?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:08:09
Keep hanging onto your tenuous argument... it amuses me.

Will amuse you come God's Judgment Day.....and God asks you why you disobey His Will ?

His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.

And there will be no 'judgment day'..

You guys misinterpret the bible so badly you cannot see the forest for the trees.

God's Judgment day happened in AD 70 with the destruction of the temple...

It really is amusing how people let themselves be manipulated into believing such bizarre misinterpretations of the bible that don't even pass the most basic sanity test.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:17:35
His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.
Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. 

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And there will be no 'judgment day'..
1 Peter  4:17   For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ? 

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:19:26
His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.
Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. 

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And there will be no 'judgment day'..
1 Peter  4:17   For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ? 



First quote was from the Old testament to the Jews... no longer applies

Second quote happened at AD70.

If recall, from scripture, that those living during Jesus generation were to witness the final judgment on Israel.  You just chose to disbelieve it.




Next.....  I feel like I am boxing a one armed little person.

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Suffering as a Christian
 12Beloved, do not be surprised at(AA) the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13But rejoice(AB) insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad(AC) when his glory is revealed. 14(AD) If you are insulted(AE) for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15But(AF) let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or(AG) as a meddler. 16Yet(AH) if anyone suffers as a(AI) Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God(AJ) in that name. 17For it is time for judgment(AK) to begin at the household of God; and(AL) if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who(AM) do not obey the gospel of God? 18And

   (AN) "If the righteous is scarcely saved,
   what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"[c]

 19Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will(AO) entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.


No mention of the law there either... unless you are confusing the Gospel of God with the law... you cannot possibly be making that most basic error.. can you?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: 3AM on Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 13:41:22

His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.
Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. 



First quote was from the Old testament to the Jews... no longer applies
The verse said man....not Jews.

The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Tantor on Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 09:24:29
The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

A common misconception from the uneducated.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 13:42:05
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The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

How many sheep have you sacrificed lately?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Tue Apr 21, 2009 - 01:32:29
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The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

How many sheep have you sacrificed lately?


Just 1, about 2000 years ago on Calvery.  My Sins sacrificed the Ultimate Lamb.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Tue Apr 21, 2009 - 14:35:24
Amen.
And that's the reason we don't have to follow all the Jewish laws today.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Tue Apr 28, 2009 - 05:50:35
Amen.
And that's the reason we don't have to follow all the Jewish laws today.


The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Tue Apr 28, 2009 - 15:21:31
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The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.

The Jews are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac. Isaac's grandson Joseph went to Egypt, his brothers followed, they were oppressed by the Egyptians, Moses led them out of Egypt, God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses. How are the laws given to Moses not Jewish?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Wed Apr 29, 2009 - 02:36:51
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The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.

The Jews are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac. Isaac's grandson Joseph went to Egypt, his brothers followed, they were oppressed by the Egyptians, Moses led them out of Egypt, God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses. How are the laws given to Moses not Jewish?

Psalm 119:55
I have remembered thy name, O Lord, in the night, and have kept thy law.

Who's law is it referring to: God's law

God's law is never not once ever called a Jewish law, but instead it is called, God's law.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Wed Apr 29, 2009 - 15:39:26
The Law in the OT was for God's chosen people, the Jews. Until Peter had the vision of the blanket being let down with all species of animals the Gentiles were not part of "God's people." Gentiles were outside the Law in OT times.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Thu Apr 30, 2009 - 04:16:28
The Law in the OT was for God's chosen people, the Jews. Until Peter had the vision of the blanket being let down with all species of animals the Gentiles were not part of "God's people." Gentiles were outside the Law in OT times.

Where's your proof from Bible alone???

In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Thu Apr 30, 2009 - 08:05:22
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Fri May 01, 2009 - 04:10:06
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.

We serve a God of love, and He Himself is love... God did in fact loved everybody including that list of people above...... the Philistines, the Cannanites, the Amalikites, the Abibinites, the Pork-eatinganites... God loves them all.

Like Jesus says in His own words, "I have come for the unrighteous, not the righteous, I come to call for sinners."

God loves everybody, even that list above----EVERYBODY!!!
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: MegaJedi on Fri May 01, 2009 - 15:08:02
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.


And the Gentiles.  It was not till JESUS came that the Gentiles were given a chance.  Read the O.T. for proof.  even how JESUS treated some Gentiles.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Sat May 02, 2009 - 04:57:33
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.


And the Gentiles.  It was not till JESUS came that the Gentiles were given a chance.  Read the O.T. for proof.  even how JESUS treated some Gentiles.

This refers to Gentiles in the Old Testament...

Isaiah 56:1-8

Verse 2 says...

Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Sat May 02, 2009 - 07:32:51
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: DCR on Sat May 02, 2009 - 10:03:02
::doh::
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: marc on Sat May 02, 2009 - 10:26:57
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  Lincoln took offense when people suggested that's what Jefferson meant, fwiw. And Jefferson himself, for all his belief in racial inferiority, prepared his slaves for what he believed was inevitable emancipation by giving them jobs with pay.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Mon May 04, 2009 - 03:31:34
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.

The passage doesn't say, "Jew"!!!

It refers to "People of any race or gender". -----All People.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: mclees8 on Mon May 04, 2009 - 08:48:17
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.


there are no denominations in Gods kingdom catholic or Protestant. god does not know Catholic, baptist, methodist, Lutheran  God knows no pet denomination or one the considers it is true or more rigth church than another. Names are only walls of division that house many differnt rligious ideals and doctines mostly of men

the church is the church and it is comprised of all who worship Christ in spirit and in truth.

It is true when you say Protestnts are those who are not of the Catholic religion. That the problem. Its just religion. this can be protestants also. Lets drop religion and the names doctrines and ideals that divid and confuse who the church is ad focus on who we are in Christ. 
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Sabbath-Keeper on Tue May 05, 2009 - 01:56:51
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.


there are no denominations in Gods kingdom catholic or Protestant. god does not know Catholic, baptist, methodist, Lutheran  God knows no pet denomination or one the considers it is true or more rigth church than another. Names are only walls of division that house many differnt rligious ideals and doctines mostly of men

the church is the church and it is comprised of all who worship Christ in spirit and in truth.

It is true when you say Protestnts are those who are not of the Catholic religion. That the problem. Its just religion. this can be protestants also. Lets drop religion and the names doctrines and ideals that divid and confuse who the church is ad focus on who we are in Christ. 

Amen, I second this post.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: ex cathedra on Mon May 24, 2010 - 21:09:22
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

And Many other baptist's claim to be protestant.


Even thhough the name first applied to Luther and Those in the German reformation . Early on SOME Lutherans started to distance them selves from the  name protest-ant  . To distinguish them  from the baptist and other   reformed protestants.





Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Wed Feb 02, 2011 - 12:43:17
Oh my goodness these guys were beyond horrible.lol Some of these were just completely false. Let me put an end to this for those who may view this page in the future.

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See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, Student of the Apostle John, the Beloved. 2nd Succesor of the Apostle Peter. 2nd Bishop of Antioch. Martyred in Rome under the emperor Nero and the Great Persecution via eaten alive by lions in the Colisieum.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: blu on Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 12:00:29
Well, what does it mean too protest? Disagreement!
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 09:47:28
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.



Wrong.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 09:54:08
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh snap is he really serious?  ::crackup::

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If we include St. Peter, Ignatius was the third Bishop of Antioch and the immediate successor of Evodius (Eusebius, Church History II.3.22). Theodoret ("Dial. Immutab.", I, iv, 33a, Paris, 1642) is the authority for the statement that St. Peter appointed Ignatius to the See of Antioch.



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At this time Ignatius was known as the second bishop of Antioch, Evodius having been the first. Symeon likewise was at that time the second ruler of the church of Jerusalem, the brother of our Saviour having been the first.
Church History 4th Century


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``Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be; even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church'' Ignatius of Antioch, 1st c. A.D


The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.


I'm pretty interested to see some historic backing for such a claim.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 18:17:34
The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.

This is why in the Church of Christ we use the name "Church of Christ". One of our sayings is "Bible names for Bible things" and in Acts we read "The churches of Christ salute you." Hard core types insist the c in church should be lower case because CoC is not a name but a description. By this reasoning the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and Catholics can't be considered Christian because those names aren't found in the Bible. When you are in the 6th grade this is a little hard to explain to your friends. Trust me, I have been there.
Back when I was a kid a popular sermon was "Neither Protestant, Catholic or Jew" in which the speaker would insist that we weren't Protestant because we were the One True Church and were never connected to the Catholics. This teaching isn't heard as much these days but last year I heard the sermon for the first time in years.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 19:29:16
The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.

This is why in the Church of Christ we use the name "Church of Christ". One of our sayings is "Bible names for Bible things" and in Acts we read "The churches of Christ salute you." Hard core types insist the c in church should be lower case because CoC is not a name but a description. By this reasoning the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and Catholics can't be considered Christian because those names aren't found in the Bible. When you are in the 6th grade this is a little hard to explain to your friends. Trust me, I have been there.
Back when I was a kid a popular sermon was "Neither Protestant, Catholic or Jew" in which the speaker would insist that we weren't Protestant because we were the One True Church and were never connected to the Catholics. This teaching isn't heard as much these days but last year I heard the sermon for the first time in years.



Its funny that you mention titles Brother. Gospel attempted to imply that I was partaking in some dark cult or something along that line because my username is LightHammer and my subheading is Katen Kyuokotsu.

He looked up LightHammer and found it that it was a vampire in the late 21st century and I guess that automatically means I have a dark role in the acult. Its funny because he onlylooked up half of who that "vampire" LightHammer really was. There was never a real person named LightHammer, he's a fictional character in a Marvel comic called Blade. He was actually in Blade II as a mute swordsmen vampire apart of an elite hunting unit called the Blood Pack. Granted I didn't really think of any of that when I made my username LightHammer. I just thought it sounded cool.


And  already explained Katen Kyuokotsu to you.

In any event I think it is misguided to get hung up on titles themselves and more on the idea they ecompass. Catholic Church encompasses those who followed the Apostles in Acts and it begian with the gathering who followed Christ. Roman Catholic Church refers to the congregation within that gathering that recognizes the universal jurisdiction of Peter's successor in Rome because Peter led the Church from Rome.

Words themselves have no power. The idea and emotion that they are meant to illustrate is what gives the power.


Like if I, Donovan Jones, say "Let there be Light" that doesn't mean the sun is going to form in the sky. But if God Almighty so much as whispers, "Let there be Light", such will reign in abundance.

That is because the words Let, There, Be, Light don't mean jack squat and hold no power as words. The power proceeds from the speaker not the spoken.


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Lively Stone on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 20:25:27


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Names have meaning and hold sway in a life. That is evidenced throughout the entire word of God.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:17:28


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Names have meaning and hold sway in a life. That is evidenced throughout the entire word of God.

Your opinion is noted and respected.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:19:20
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:25:22
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.


It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Lively Stone on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:27:00
It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.

Some of us need to learn to be fluent and spell in English first...

Funny thing is...Jesus knows English perfectly.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:29:07
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.


It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.

Some of us need to learn to be fluent and spell in English first...

funny thing is...Jesus knows English perfectly.



Yea I have several typos from time to time but I was reading at a sixth grade level when I was in third grade and I've been writing poetry sense I was seven.

Your suggestion is noted and respected.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Lively Stone on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:31:16
Is 'blugent' poetic?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:35:43
Is 'blugent' poetic?


I guess it depends on what you view as poetry.

Poetry is an art and has no basis in set standards or definition.

In all honesty the sound of the wind can be poetic. The waves breaking on the shore captivates many as poetic.

In that regard secular rap music that so many don't like is poetry and genius to its fan base.

I'm sure that's not what you meant in your condescending remark but just making a point.
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Snargles on Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 06:32:04
Is 'blugent' poetic?

When I read his post I thought "This guy must have been an English major, he knows words I never heard of." I was trying to find ways to use blugent in conversation. But maybe you are right and it is just a typo.  ::whistle::
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: p.rehbein on Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 07:03:55
bludgeon (bluj an), n. 1. heavy club, -v, 2. strike with a bludgeon.

Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: LightHammer on Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 07:40:44
bludgeon (bluj an), n. 1. heavy club, -v, 2. strike with a bludgeon.




I misspelled a word why is this headline news?
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: Jimmy on Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 08:04:27
I've been writing poetry sense I was seven.

 rofl
Title: Re: An important message to Protestants
Post by: p.rehbein on Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 08:37:32
bludgeon (bluj an), n. 1. heavy club, -v, 2. strike with a bludgeon.




I misspelled a word why is this headline news?

It isn't/wasn't, shoot, iffin mispellin words was news, I'd be the headline of the day every day!  ::smile::  Jest threw it in there for FYI to folks........