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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #70 on: Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 11:19:26 »
His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.
Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. 

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And there will be no 'judgment day'..
1 Peter  4:17   For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ? 



First quote was from the Old testament to the Jews... no longer applies

Second quote happened at AD70.

If recall, from scripture, that those living during Jesus generation were to witness the final judgment on Israel.  You just chose to disbelieve it.




Next.....  I feel like I am boxing a one armed little person.

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Suffering as a Christian
 12Beloved, do not be surprised at(AA) the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. 13But rejoice(AB) insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad(AC) when his glory is revealed. 14(AD) If you are insulted(AE) for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. 15But(AF) let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or(AG) as a meddler. 16Yet(AH) if anyone suffers as a(AI) Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God(AJ) in that name. 17For it is time for judgment(AK) to begin at the household of God; and(AL) if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who(AM) do not obey the gospel of God? 18And

   (AN) "If the righteous is scarcely saved,
   what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"[c]

 19Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will(AO) entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.


No mention of the law there either... unless you are confusing the Gospel of God with the law... you cannot possibly be making that most basic error.. can you?

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #71 on: Sun Apr 19, 2009 - 13:41:22 »

His will is the Holy Spirit living in me.
Eccl.  12:13   Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. 



First quote was from the Old testament to the Jews... no longer applies
The verse said man....not Jews.

The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #72 on: Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 09:24:29 »
The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

A common misconception from the uneducated.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #73 on: Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 13:42:05 »
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The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

How many sheep have you sacrificed lately?

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« Reply #74 on: Tue Apr 21, 2009 - 01:32:29 »
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The Law of God has never been for Jews only.
 The Law of God applies to each and every man/woman on earth.

How many sheep have you sacrificed lately?


Just 1, about 2000 years ago on Calvery.  My Sins sacrificed the Ultimate Lamb.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #75 on: Tue Apr 21, 2009 - 14:35:24 »
Amen.
And that's the reason we don't have to follow all the Jewish laws today.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #76 on: Tue Apr 28, 2009 - 05:50:35 »
Amen.
And that's the reason we don't have to follow all the Jewish laws today.


The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.

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« Reply #77 on: Tue Apr 28, 2009 - 15:21:31 »
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The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.

The Jews are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac. Isaac's grandson Joseph went to Egypt, his brothers followed, they were oppressed by the Egyptians, Moses led them out of Egypt, God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses. How are the laws given to Moses not Jewish?

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« Reply #78 on: Wed Apr 29, 2009 - 02:36:51 »
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The Ten Commandments are NOT Jewish... They have been here on earth before any Jew was on this planet.

The Jews are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac. Isaac's grandson Joseph went to Egypt, his brothers followed, they were oppressed by the Egyptians, Moses led them out of Egypt, God gave the 10 Commandments to Moses. How are the laws given to Moses not Jewish?

Psalm 119:55
I have remembered thy name, O Lord, in the night, and have kept thy law.

Who's law is it referring to: God's law

God's law is never not once ever called a Jewish law, but instead it is called, God's law.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #79 on: Wed Apr 29, 2009 - 15:39:26 »
The Law in the OT was for God's chosen people, the Jews. Until Peter had the vision of the blanket being let down with all species of animals the Gentiles were not part of "God's people." Gentiles were outside the Law in OT times.

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« Reply #80 on: Thu Apr 30, 2009 - 04:16:28 »
The Law in the OT was for God's chosen people, the Jews. Until Peter had the vision of the blanket being let down with all species of animals the Gentiles were not part of "God's people." Gentiles were outside the Law in OT times.

Where's your proof from Bible alone???

In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #81 on: Thu Apr 30, 2009 - 08:05:22 »
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #82 on: Fri May 01, 2009 - 04:10:06 »
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.

We serve a God of love, and He Himself is love... God did in fact loved everybody including that list of people above...... the Philistines, the Cannanites, the Amalikites, the Abibinites, the Pork-eatinganites... God loves them all.

Like Jesus says in His own words, "I have come for the unrighteous, not the righteous, I come to call for sinners."

God loves everybody, even that list above----EVERYBODY!!!

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« Reply #83 on: Fri May 01, 2009 - 15:08:02 »
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.


And the Gentiles.  It was not till JESUS came that the Gentiles were given a chance.  Read the O.T. for proof.  even how JESUS treated some Gentiles.

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« Reply #84 on: Sat May 02, 2009 - 04:57:33 »
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In the Old Testament, God loves everybody.

Except for the Philistines and the Cannanites and the Amalikites and the Abibinites and the Pork-eatinganites.


And the Gentiles.  It was not till JESUS came that the Gentiles were given a chance.  Read the O.T. for proof.  even how JESUS treated some Gentiles.

This refers to Gentiles in the Old Testament...

Isaiah 56:1-8

Verse 2 says...

Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #85 on: Sat May 02, 2009 - 07:32:51 »
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #86 on: Sat May 02, 2009 - 10:03:02 »
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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #87 on: Sat May 02, 2009 - 10:26:57 »
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  Lincoln took offense when people suggested that's what Jefferson meant, fwiw. And Jefferson himself, for all his belief in racial inferiority, prepared his slaves for what he believed was inevitable emancipation by giving them jobs with pay.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #88 on: Mon May 04, 2009 - 03:31:34 »
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Blessed is the man----Gentile or Jew----that doeth this...........

You read "Gentile or Jew" into the passage; it isn't found in scripture. "Man" refers to God's people, the Jews. It is like when Thomas Jeffeson said "All men are created equal". He meant all white people are created equal.

The passage doesn't say, "Jew"!!!

It refers to "People of any race or gender". -----All People.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #89 on: Mon May 04, 2009 - 08:48:17 »
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.


there are no denominations in Gods kingdom catholic or Protestant. god does not know Catholic, baptist, methodist, Lutheran  God knows no pet denomination or one the considers it is true or more rigth church than another. Names are only walls of division that house many differnt rligious ideals and doctines mostly of men

the church is the church and it is comprised of all who worship Christ in spirit and in truth.

It is true when you say Protestnts are those who are not of the Catholic religion. That the problem. Its just religion. this can be protestants also. Lets drop religion and the names doctrines and ideals that divid and confuse who the church is ad focus on who we are in Christ. 

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #90 on: Tue May 05, 2009 - 01:56:51 »
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.


there are no denominations in Gods kingdom catholic or Protestant. god does not know Catholic, baptist, methodist, Lutheran  God knows no pet denomination or one the considers it is true or more rigth church than another. Names are only walls of division that house many differnt rligious ideals and doctines mostly of men

the church is the church and it is comprised of all who worship Christ in spirit and in truth.

It is true when you say Protestnts are those who are not of the Catholic religion. That the problem. Its just religion. this can be protestants also. Lets drop religion and the names doctrines and ideals that divid and confuse who the church is ad focus on who we are in Christ. 

Amen, I second this post.

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« Reply #91 on: Mon May 24, 2010 - 21:09:22 »
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

And Many other baptist's claim to be protestant.


Even thhough the name first applied to Luther and Those in the German reformation . Early on SOME Lutherans started to distance them selves from the  name protest-ant  . To distinguish them  from the baptist and other   reformed protestants.





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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #92 on: Wed Feb 02, 2011 - 12:43:17 »
Oh my goodness these guys were beyond horrible.lol Some of these were just completely false. Let me put an end to this for those who may view this page in the future.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #93 on: Sun Feb 06, 2011 - 12:00:29 »
Well, what does it mean too protest? Disagreement!

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #94 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 09:47:28 »
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.



Wrong.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #95 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 09:54:08 »
The word Protestant actually refers to anyone who is not of the Catholic religion. Baptists were never a part of that religion and formed separately, which is why it was so strongly persecuted by the Roman Catholic religion.

Jon-Marc, you are obviously confusing the Baptists with the Churches of Christ.

 ::peeking::

Church of Christ churches are a late schism off of the Baptist tree.  Catholics had a schism with Baptists back around the time of Constantine.

Oh snap is he really serious?  ::crackup::

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If we include St. Peter, Ignatius was the third Bishop of Antioch and the immediate successor of Evodius (Eusebius, Church History II.3.22). Theodoret ("Dial. Immutab.", I, iv, 33a, Paris, 1642) is the authority for the statement that St. Peter appointed Ignatius to the See of Antioch.



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At this time Ignatius was known as the second bishop of Antioch, Evodius having been the first. Symeon likewise was at that time the second ruler of the church of Jerusalem, the brother of our Saviour having been the first.
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``Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be; even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church'' Ignatius of Antioch, 1st c. A.D


The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.


I'm pretty interested to see some historic backing for such a claim.
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« Reply #96 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 18:17:34 »
The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.

This is why in the Church of Christ we use the name "Church of Christ". One of our sayings is "Bible names for Bible things" and in Acts we read "The churches of Christ salute you." Hard core types insist the c in church should be lower case because CoC is not a name but a description. By this reasoning the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and Catholics can't be considered Christian because those names aren't found in the Bible. When you are in the 6th grade this is a little hard to explain to your friends. Trust me, I have been there.
Back when I was a kid a popular sermon was "Neither Protestant, Catholic or Jew" in which the speaker would insist that we weren't Protestant because we were the One True Church and were never connected to the Catholics. This teaching isn't heard as much these days but last year I heard the sermon for the first time in years.

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« Reply #97 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 19:29:16 »
The Church Christ started has been going by the name of the Catholic Church sense near the beginning. The only mention of Baptist in original Christianity is John the Baptist and beforehe was beheaded I'm pretty sure his followers went to Christ.

This is why in the Church of Christ we use the name "Church of Christ". One of our sayings is "Bible names for Bible things" and in Acts we read "The churches of Christ salute you." Hard core types insist the c in church should be lower case because CoC is not a name but a description. By this reasoning the Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and Catholics can't be considered Christian because those names aren't found in the Bible. When you are in the 6th grade this is a little hard to explain to your friends. Trust me, I have been there.
Back when I was a kid a popular sermon was "Neither Protestant, Catholic or Jew" in which the speaker would insist that we weren't Protestant because we were the One True Church and were never connected to the Catholics. This teaching isn't heard as much these days but last year I heard the sermon for the first time in years.



Its funny that you mention titles Brother. Gospel attempted to imply that I was partaking in some dark cult or something along that line because my username is LightHammer and my subheading is Katen Kyuokotsu.

He looked up LightHammer and found it that it was a vampire in the late 21st century and I guess that automatically means I have a dark role in the acult. Its funny because he onlylooked up half of who that "vampire" LightHammer really was. There was never a real person named LightHammer, he's a fictional character in a Marvel comic called Blade. He was actually in Blade II as a mute swordsmen vampire apart of an elite hunting unit called the Blood Pack. Granted I didn't really think of any of that when I made my username LightHammer. I just thought it sounded cool.


And  already explained Katen Kyuokotsu to you.

In any event I think it is misguided to get hung up on titles themselves and more on the idea they ecompass. Catholic Church encompasses those who followed the Apostles in Acts and it begian with the gathering who followed Christ. Roman Catholic Church refers to the congregation within that gathering that recognizes the universal jurisdiction of Peter's successor in Rome because Peter led the Church from Rome.

Words themselves have no power. The idea and emotion that they are meant to illustrate is what gives the power.


Like if I, Donovan Jones, say "Let there be Light" that doesn't mean the sun is going to form in the sky. But if God Almighty so much as whispers, "Let there be Light", such will reign in abundance.

That is because the words Let, There, Be, Light don't mean jack squat and hold no power as words. The power proceeds from the speaker not the spoken.


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

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« Reply #98 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 20:25:27 »


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Names have meaning and hold sway in a life. That is evidenced throughout the entire word of God.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #99 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:17:28 »


So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Names have meaning and hold sway in a life. That is evidenced throughout the entire word of God.

Your opinion is noted and respected.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #100 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:19:20 »
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #101 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:25:22 »
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.


It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.

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« Reply #102 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:27:00 »
It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.

Some of us need to learn to be fluent and spell in English first...

Funny thing is...Jesus knows English perfectly.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #103 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:29:07 »
So the whole "Bible names for Bible things" sounds good but it places too much emphasis on the carnal IMHO.

Growing up I never thought to question the Bible names thing but the problem with it is that in real life it comes down to English words (and often King James English) for Bible things. To do it right we should all learn Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and use the original terms.


It would certainly keep more protestants off my back if they knew before going into a debate about Mary that Jesus spoke Aramaic and that there is no word for "brother" in His native tongue as it is understood by Christians trying to oppose a Truth via their limited knowledge and narrow english understanding.lol

Words are powerful yes but only when they encompass a powerful idea or source.

Like a baseball bat can be a blugent weapon or it can be a hamrless means to ejoy a sport. The bat, like words, is neutral facotr. The variable that gives the bat purpose is the intent of the one weilding it.

Some of us need to learn to be fluent and spell in English first...

funny thing is...Jesus knows English perfectly.



Yea I have several typos from time to time but I was reading at a sixth grade level when I was in third grade and I've been writing poetry sense I was seven.

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Re: An important message to Protestants
« Reply #104 on: Tue Feb 15, 2011 - 21:31:16 »
Is 'blugent' poetic?