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New testament church
« on: Fri Jan 02, 2015 - 09:04:01 »
I was raised Baptist or Protestant also was a Catholic for a short time. I am now wondering about finding a New Testament church.I respect the old testament but am leaning toward the new Testament churches. Can you suggest any I can look into according to their beliefs and what they believe? pljames/Paul

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Re: New testament church
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 02, 2015 - 09:34:27 »
What do you mean by a New Testament church? Surely all Christian churches are New testament churches in that sense?

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Re: New testament church
« Reply #2 on: Sun Feb 08, 2015 - 16:15:53 »
Let me be a little provocative here . . .

No churches are "New Testament Churches," including mine.  When I was a Protestant, I had an
idea of what that ideal NT church was like too.    Something like this:

Acts 2
42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to the prayers. 43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.

Do we have that today in any church?  I'd argue no.   It would be cool if we did, but do you really want a 100 percent tithe?  If you're honest, probably not.  So, that ideal is not what we got today.

As for the term, "New Testament Church",  the NT does not come in a compiled form in any sense until 360 AD.
The gospels and letters of Paul, Peter, John were circulated and eventually became what we know to be the New Testament.    So, a church guided by the New Testament was not the original church; it's just historical fact. 

But verse 42 does show us that Christian worship was there from the beginning.  There was gathering, teaching of the apostles (NT readings), breaking of the bread (communion), and the prayers (liturgy; the NIV says just prayers but as usual the NIV is not the best interpretation).  Early Christian worship is based on old testament worship.  There was several heresies that rejected the OT outright, but these quickly died out.  I think because Christian worship had the feel of OT worship. 

So, if there is not a New Testament church ever (which is what I am arguing above), do we have a faith?  The answer is yes.  Jesus in Matt 16:18 starts a church and one that will not cease (the gates of hell will not prevail against it).  The faith was passed down from Jesus to the apostles and other leaders called bishops.  Besides the head of the church (Jesus himself) and the people, the bishops were essential to passing down this church from generation to generation.  While this system led to many conversions to the faith, it wasn't enough to keep a pure doctrine.  That was clarified (the faith was always there)  in meetings of the church (the first being in Acts 15).  One if the decisions of this church was to compile the New Testament.  By 325 AD, the church held its first universal council since Acts 15.  The councils decide, among other things, the nature of Christ, the role of the Holy Spirit, and the encouraged use of icons in worship.  This was all complete by 787 (the 7th Ecumenical Council).

Don't look for the New Testament church, look for that church (not book) that Jesus promised he would build.
There are four major churches that go back to the beginning.  One of those is what you are looking for.  The other three are probably better than any Protestant church.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Feb 09, 2015 - 08:54:04 »
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There was several heresies that rejected the OT outright,  but these quickly died out.

Not really.  If you look closely at what gnostacism, Marcionism and Montanism taught; you will see their remnants today.  And if you understand replacement theology (aka fulfillment theology or supercessionism) you will find it still alive and well in the pews and pulpits of almost every denomination today.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Feb 09, 2015 - 17:42:50 »
Fair enough; they're remnants remain.  My church doesn't have them (doctrinally; individual members are sometimes wrong) because we went through the struggles to get rid of them, while most Protestant churches make it up as they go along. 

Those who don't know their history are bound to repeat it.

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Re: New testament church
« Reply #5 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 07:54:10 »
I was raised Baptist or Protestant also was a Catholic for a short time. I am now wondering about finding a New Testament church.I respect the old testament but am leaning toward the new Testament churches. Can you suggest any I can look into according to their beliefs and what they believe? pljames/Paul
Are you possibly referring to what some refer to as a Full Gospel church?

As far as replacement theology, there is no such thing.    In Christ there is one Church, what Paul calls the One New Man in Christ.   

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Re: New testament church
« Reply #6 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 08:00:47 »
Fair enough; they're remnants remain.  My church doesn't have them (doctrinally; individual members are sometimes wrong) because we went through the struggles to get rid of them, while most Protestant churches make it up as they go along. 

Those who don't know their history are bound to repeat it.

And some, even though they know their history, continue to repeat it.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 08:02:34 »
NR: You will be glad to know that the RCC has OFFICIALLY repudiated Replacement Theology and repented from teaching it for the last 1800 years.   The RCC now no longer considers themselves (and the greater church) to be the continuation of Israel.


NEXT: the Eastern Orthodox.

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 08:26:32 »
NR: You will be glad to know that the RCC has OFFICIALLY repudiated Replacement Theology and repented from teaching it for the last 1800 years.   The RCC now no longer considers themselves (and the greater church) to be the continuation of Israel.


NEXT: the Eastern Orthodox.

You are completely off-base.   Isn't it enough that you call me a LIAR? 

The claim of Replacement Theology is the demonization of Christians who don't agree with Zionism.   There are many Jews who would be deniers of Zionism.   
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Re: New testament church
« Reply #9 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 10:41:01 »
NR: You will be glad to know that the RCC has OFFICIALLY repudiated Replacement Theology and repented from teaching it for the last 1800 years.
Wait, so... what you're saying is that they DID teach RT during the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries, but then stopped? 

Wouldn't that be contrary to your stance?  ???

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Re: New testament church
« Reply #10 on: Tue Feb 10, 2015 - 13:00:27 »
NR: You will be glad to know that the RCC has OFFICIALLY repudiated Replacement Theology and repented from teaching it for the last 1800 years.
Wait, so... what you're saying is that they DID teach RT during the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries, but then stopped? 

Wouldn't that be contrary to your stance?  ???
RT started developing in the 2nd and 3rd centuries and became official in 4th.

It was recently repudiated; I think during the last bit of Benedict's papacy; but it may have been early in Francis'.