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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #35 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 16:59:31 »


Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!

Jesus started the Church.  It's authority is not self appointed.
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News flash:   Jesus never so much as even MENTIONED The Catholic Church.   He never gave it anything.  He never promised it anything.  It never exempted it from anything.   

Can you name me just 3 non Catholic denominations that insist that the RCC is THE authority, infallible, unaccountable, exempt from the issue of truth, when it speaks Jesus speaks, it is the sole interpreter of the Scripture in the heart of itself and of the tradition of its own choosing?   Can you name even ONE?   

IF this "granting" of all this to the RCC comes from none other than the RCC, then how is that not self appointed?   Who or what else insists on all this for the RCC exclusively, particularly, individually?


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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #36 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 17:07:18 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?




This Protestant still is.  It seems lots of the others want to be politically correct and sweet and nice "like Jesus was" so they kow tow to them. 

I didn't keep up with that false religion too much for a number of years but about 4 years ago something happened that caused me to raise up out of seat in righteous anger.  A fellow Vietnam veteran and I who served on the same ship at the same time were making small talk at one of our military reunions when I decided to bring the conversation around to things of the spirit, so I asked Mike if he knew for sure he was going to heaven when he died.  He answered "yup,  I cut my priest a big fat check and he guaranteed me that I'm going to heaven."  I was shocked and I immediately said "Mike you cannot buy your way into heaven."  His wife jumped up and practically screamed "my husband is going to heaven, DO YOU UNDERSTAND!"  I left that room rather quickly.  Mike died about two years later and went to a Christless grave thanks to his "faith" in the RCC and that stinking, lying, no good for nothing "priest."

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The priest lied to him so what?

The priest is just a man.

The Church does not agree with him.

So what were "standing up in righteous anger"(which is definitely an oxymoron and border lined blasphemous) against, seeing how the Church would've been even more outraged than you at knowledge of this sacrilege?

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"rightoues anger"? Seriousl? That sounds like something a clansmen would use to justify lynching my mother. There is no such thing as "righteous anger". You were just angry and misplaced that aggression at the Church as a whole instead of the priest as a man.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #37 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 17:07:55 »


Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!

Jesus started the Church.  It's authority is not self appointed.

News flash:   Jesus never so much as even MENTIONED The Catholic Church.   He never gave it anything.  He never promised it anything.  It never exempted it from anything.   

Can you name me just 3 non Catholic denominations that insist that the RCC is THE authority, infallible, unaccountable, exempt from the issue of truth, when it speaks Jesus speaks, it is the sole interpreter of the Scripture in the heart of itself and of the tradition of its own choosing?   Can you name even ONE?   

IF this "granting" of all this to the RCC comes from none other than the RCC, then how is that not self appointed?   Who or what else insists on all this for the RCC exclusively, particularly, individually?


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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #38 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 18:19:40 »
Copy from above "The Church does not agree with him."  Baloney.  Here you are a Catholic and you don't even know what your evil church teaches and here am I a Protestant having to show you the truthIndulgences are backYou can buy your way out of purgatory.  The "infallible church" has reauthorized a practice that was outlawed in 1567. Don't believe me?  Read and weep  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html

Of course you are so sure Jesus is happy about this.  Believe me He isn't.  God will judge the RCC for her abominations.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #39 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 18:25:38 »
Copy from above "The Church does not agree with him."  Baloney.  Here you are a Catholic and you don't even know what your evil church teaches and here am I a Protestant having to show you the truthIndulgences are backYou can buy your way out of purgatory.  The "infallible church" has reauthorized a practice that was outlawed in 1567. Don't believe me?  Read and weep  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/nyregion/10indulgence.html

Of course you are so sure Jesus is happy about this.  Believe me He isn't.  God will judge the RCC for her abominations.

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If God finds fault with anything I am I will gladly walk into the fires of Hell and accept my shame. You however are just a man. A man plagued with rage and anger. Your words have no bearing on anything. 

Thank you for the warning.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #40 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 18:33:28 »
You are right about one thing. I am angry.  Angry that the RCC is leading millions of people straight to hell with a false gospel.  I pray frequently for them as I love them.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #41 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 18:41:27 »
You are right about one thing. I am angry.  Angry that the RCC is leading millions of people straight to hell with a false gospel.  I pray frequently for them as I love them.

Ben


Love and anger do not go hand in hand, Elder.

Its like trying to drink oil and water and thinking you're going to floruish and strive.
 
The Church has been doing its thing for over 2000 years, if it is truly as bad as you all want to belief and God has been taking care of the souls "trapped" in our doors so far, He will continue to do so until He reaps His burning Wrath down upon the walls of the Vatican.

Until then lets agree that there are virtuous Catholics and Protestants raised in the system of their faiths who have come to love God in earnest and develop a personal relationship with Him that will carry them into His arms when He calls for them.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #42 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 19:19:46 »


Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!

Jesus started the Church.  It's authority is not self appointed.


News flash:   Jesus never so much as even MENTIONED The Catholic Church.   He never gave it anything.  He never promised it anything.  It never exempted it from anything.   


Can you name me just 3 non Catholic denominations that insist that the RCC is THE authority, infallible, unaccountable, exempt from the issue of truth, when it speaks Jesus speaks, it is the sole interpreter of the Scripture in the heart of itself and of the tradition of its own choosing?   Can you name even ONE  IF this "granting" of all this to the RCC comes from none other than the RCC, then how is that not self appointed?   Who or what else insists on all this for the RCC exclusively, particularly, individually?



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No replies to my questions....

Right.   NOTHING about the RCC.  Nothing about any denomination - then or ever - being infallible/unaccountable and exempt from the issue of truth.   

He never mention any "succession" either - certainly not limited to the RCC denomination or any other denomination. 





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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #43 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 19:24:01 »


Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!

Jesus started the Church.  It's authority is not self appointed.


News flash:   Jesus never so much as even MENTIONED The Catholic Church.   He never gave it anything.  He never promised it anything.  It never exempted it from anything.   


Can you name me just 3 non Catholic denominations that insist that the RCC is THE authority, infallible, unaccountable, exempt from the issue of truth, when it speaks Jesus speaks, it is the sole interpreter of the Scripture in the heart of itself and of the tradition of its own choosing?   Can you name even ONE  IF this "granting" of all this to the RCC comes from none other than the RCC, then how is that not self appointed?   Who or what else insists on all this for the RCC exclusively, particularly, individually?



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No replies to my questions....

Right.   NOTHING about the RCC.  Nothing about any denomination - then or ever - being infallible/unaccountable and exempt from the issue of truth.   

He never mention any "succession" either - certainly not limited to the RCC denomination or any other denomination. 





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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #44 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 19:30:38 »
I'm a Protestant. I'm entirely against Romanism. I protest it's salvation by works, worship of everything under the sun, atrocious additions to the Bible, crusades, inquisitions (which office is still in existence today and being run by the current pope before he was elected) and all the abominations of Rome. In fact, I agree with all Protestant in that Romanism is Mystery Babylon and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) is the Antichrist.
What few in the Christian world understand is that when a person attends Sunday worship services....they acknowledge the RCC as dictating their doctrinal beliefs, instead of believing the Bible.

Romans  6:16   Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ? 


I am not catholic nor am i Protestant. I have left all the denominational thing. It is true the RCC changed The sabbath for Sunday but you are grossly misusing this scripture. This is just SDA propaganda. Don't get me wrong I have much respect for SDA's. They are good Christians, yet they preach condemnation for Sunday worship, but this scripture has nothing to do with that. The scripture speaks of the sins of the flesh  

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #45 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 19:39:17 »
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Protestant:


The Definition:


1. One of the German princes and cities that protested against the decision of the second Diet of Speyer (1529) to enforce the Edict of Worms (1521) and deny toleration to Lutherans. This is the original meaning and the origin of the term.


2. A Christian or Christian organization whose faith and practice are founded on the principles of the Reformation, especially the teaching of Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide and often also embracing accountability and the praxis of Sola Scriptura.


The Usage:


1. Non-Protestant. Originally, it simply referred to a group of German princes protesting the forbidding of Lutherans to worship in certain Catholic areas. It had nothing to do with the Pope or the Catholic Denomination, it was about the Diet of Speyer. But, in time, it became a term of derision by some Catholics to refer to those who, IN THE OPINION OF THOSE CATHOLICS, were "protesting" the absolute, unaccountability of the Pope. It typically was not extended to Eastern Orthodox Christians and organizations. For some, it still has this deragatory, condemning meaning and is still a Catholic term of derision, although this is now rare.

2. Protestant. Those Christians and Christian organizations that identifiied themselves with neither the RCC or EO, but who embraced Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide originally called themselves "Evangelicals." For a time, they resisted the term of derision, not only because it was intented to be deflamatory but because it was inaccurate - they were not about "protesting" anything but in proclaiming the Gospel as they understood such. But, in time, the term lost its derivise quality and simply became a very sloppy term for Lutherans, Anglicans and Calvinists as a group. In time, these Christians themselves began to use the term as a generic label for the commonality of this group - especially vis-a-vis Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide. This was not only true for "Protestant" but also for "Lutheran" and later "Methodist" and "Baptist" and many more ( originally terms of derision that came into such common use and lost that negativity so that those in those groups began embracing the label).



Comments:


1. A "Protestant" is not one who fundamentally "protests."  This is simply an inaccurate usage of the term. The only "protest" involved was to the Diet of Speyer in 1529.  He/she is one who embraces what they regard as biblical Christianity and the defining concept of Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide and likely the epistemological praxis of Sola Scriptura. I'm Protestant, but I don't "protest" the Catholic Church - I hold it in very high regard and consider it valid.

2. A "Protestant" is not simply a Christian who is not officially registered in a congregation legally affiliated with the Catholic Denomination. Such would mean that Orthodox Christians, Mormons, Christian Scientist, etc. would be "Protestant" as they would deny (correctly).

3. While undeniably Luther, Calvin and others were "against" a few things in the Catholic Denomination of their day at some points AND the RCC was "against" them to the EXACT same degree on the EXACT same issues. Thus, Luther and the RCC were BOTH "protestant" (if such is defined as "in disagreement") to the EXACT same degree and on the EXACT same issues. But note that the RCC excommunicated Luther - not the other way around.

4. I take no automatic offense at the labels "Lutheran" or "Protestant." Indeed, I embrace and use them - even aware of their "history." Those registered with the LDS are typically no longer taking offense at "Mormon" (indeed, many of them have embraced it).

5. I do think the term should be understood and used correctly. As such, no offense will be taken (or implied) and nothing other will be meant.




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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
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Protestantism was driven by rising nationalism.  The reformation was as much about politics as faith.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
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Zombie thread ridiculously rises from the dead after EIGHT AND A HALF FLIPPIN' YEARS.   ::frustrated::

 

     
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