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Protestant Atrocities
« on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:38:40 »
I am reminded of the phrase, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."  Since some on this forum have decided to post about the unfortunate scandals that have plagued the Church during some of its history, I figure that it is only fair to give equal time to our Protestant brothers.  Here is just a few examples:

The Protestant history of persecutions, especially of Catholics, is not pretty.

Martin Luther urged German peasants to rebel, but he switched sides and then urged the Northern German princes to massacre the peasants. There is good reason for this change. Luther knew that the Northern German princes were protecting him, and for Luther to be accused of aiding and abetting the peasants would be fatal to him.

King Henry VIII is responsible for the deaths of over 70,000 Catholics including hundreds of priests and Bishops. He had St. Thomas More executed in 1535. He even ordered the destruction of most of the uncorrupted bodies of saints in England. The only bodies that were not destroyed are the ones taken by Catholics and hidden from the persecutors.

John Calvin, one of the Protestant reformers, viciously persecuted Catholics as heretics. He persecuted others as well, and had a rival critic, Michael Servetus, burned alive in October 1553.

Queen Elizabeth I, had thousands of Catholics put to death in England. She ordered that Catholic Mary Queen of Scots be executed in 1587. She had thousands more killed in Ireland.

Oliver Cromwell is responsible for starting the English civil war and the subsequent beheading of Catholic King Charles I, and for the killing of thousands of Catholics in that war of 1642-1649.  Some Catholics were nailed to trees.

Thousands of Catholics were murdered in Ireland by the English in the 19th century simply because they attended the Catholic Mass. The Protestant English redcoats were also responsible for confiscating the food from the Irish people and for leaving them only with potatoes which were blighted and unfit to eat. In the mid 19th century this caused the deaths by starvation of an estimated 1-1.5 million Irish Catholics, and the emigration of about 2 million more. It was a case of either leave the country or die of starvation.

How many thousands of women were burned at the stake after witch trials, by Protestant witch hunters, over several centuries, and throughout Europe and America? It is estimated that 30,000 went to their deaths in Britain alone, and another 100,000 in Protestant Germany. Interestingly, the Protestant mind-set in those times was that if the woman survived the burning, she was considered not to be a witch. Now just how many innocent women, do you think, survived this horror?

What glass houses we do live in....

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Re: Protestant Atrocities
« Reply #1 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:42:58 »
Yes, there are atrocities on both sides.  I don't think that surprises anyone.

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:43:34 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:44:03 »
Problem is.....not only do Evangelicals / Conservative Protestants fail to recognize their Catholic roots; many deny that they are Protestant.


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« Reply #4 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:46:08 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

I think I could throw something together...

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:49:53 »
Problem is.....not only do Evangelicals / Conservative Protestants fail to recognize their Catholic roots; many deny that they are Protestant.

At your request, I have put in a request to the admin to cancel your membership, ConsideringCatholicism. As I mentioned before, if you truly no longer want to be a member here, as you have made mention of at least 4 times now, I suggest that you discontinue posting. Otherwise, your multiple requests seem disingenuous, at best... That is, of course, unless you would like to recant?

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:51:36 »
Wow.  Guess I should go become a Buddhist.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:51:44 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or the only one to have experienced such dark times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:53:45 »
Wow.  Guess I should go become a Buddhist.

Or, you could just try to mix Buddhism with Christianity...

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:56:03 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or have experienced such times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

Leave it alone Broach......

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"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:56:34 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or the only one to have experienced such dark times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

What disturbs me is the fact that if someone had started a Roman Catholic atrocities thread first, you would have immediately flagged the post. History proves this. Yet, you are starting this thread. Such hypocrisy. This is what disturbs me.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:57:41 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or have experienced such times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

Leave it alone Broach......

Matthew 10:14

"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."

By the way, ConsideringCatholicism, for the sake of clarification... By saying that you want your membership at GCM cancelled, does that mean you would like to have all of your user names cancelled? Or just the ConsideringCatholicism account?

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:59:11 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or the only one to have experienced such dark times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

What disturbs me is the fact that if someone had started a Roman Catholic atrocities thread first, you would have immediately flagged the post. History proves this. Yet, you are starting this thread. Such hypocrisy. This is what disturbs me.

Isn't that the truth.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 15:59:45 »
Problem is.....not only do Evangelicals / Conservative Protestants fail to recognize their Catholic roots; many deny that they are Protestant.

At your request, I have put in a request to the admin to cancel your membership, ConsideringCatholicism. As I mentioned before, if you truly no longer want to be a member here, as you have made mention of at least 4 times now, I suggest that you discontinue posting. Otherwise, your multiple requests seem disingenuous, at best... That is, of course, unless you would like to recant?

I will quit posting when I choose to stop, James.  My quest for my membership to be canceled stands.  You do not get to reframe my behavior or my intentions. 

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:01:19 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or have experienced such times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

Leave it alone Broach......

Matthew 10:14

"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."

By the way, ConsideringCatholicism, for the sake of clarification... By saying that you want your membership at GCM cancelled, does that mean you would like to have all of your user names cancelled? Or just the ConsideringCatholicism account?

What sre you asking me James?  It sounds like you have some information that you are not sharing?

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Re: Protestant Atrocities
« Reply #15 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:03:00 »
Have you been gossiping Charles?

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:05:12 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or the only one to have experienced such dark times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

What disturbs me is the fact that if someone had started a Roman Catholic atrocities thread first, you would have immediately flagged the post. History proves this. Yet, you are starting this thread. Such hypocrisy. This is what disturbs me.

Excuse me.  I decided to do this once a moderator stated that Reformer's post "The Holy Father and Mormon Polygamy" was well within the rules, when it clearly it is not.  I finally realized that two can play this game.  So, don't lecture me on what is acceptable and what is not.  I am sick and tired of my faith being maligned on a constant basis.  Reformer's post has sent me over the edge.  If what he stated is acceptable, then it is a free-for-all as far as I am concerned.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:06:43 »
Did you know that if two Chinese people get married, their children will not be English?

Yep....two Wong's don't make a Wright.

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Re: Protestant Atrocities
« Reply #18 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:08:03 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or have experienced such times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

Leave it alone Broach......

Matthew 10:14

"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."

By the way, ConsideringCatholicism, for the sake of clarification... By saying that you want your membership at GCM cancelled, does that mean you would like to have all of your user names cancelled? Or just the ConsideringCatholicism account?

What sre you asking me James?  It sounds like you have some information that you are not sharing?

I could ask you the same question.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:09:41 »
Did you know that if two Chinese people get married, their children will not be English?

Yep....two Wong's don't make a Wright.

I agree but there comes a time when one must fight fire with fire.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:10:07 »
New thread coming soon: Roman Catholic atrocities.

Go ahead and post them.  This is not the issue for me.  At least we have the guts to acknowledge and discuss our past failings, no matter what they may be.  No doubt that the Church has experienced some dark times in its history.

But according to you and others on this forum, Catholics seem to be the only ones guility of such atrocities or the only one to have experienced such dark times.  We seem to be the only ones that have made past mistakes.  Such hypocrisy.  This is what disturbs me.

What disturbs me is the fact that if someone had started a Roman Catholic atrocities thread first, you would have immediately flagged the post. History proves this. Yet, you are starting this thread. Such hypocrisy. This is what disturbs me.

Excuse me.  I decided to do this once a moderator stated that Reformer's post "The Holy Father and Mormon Polygamy" was well within the rules, when it clearly it is not.  I finally realized that two can play this game.  So, don't lecture me on what is acceptable and what is not.  I am sick and tired of my faith being maligned on a constant basis.  Reformer's post has sent me over the edge.  If what he stated is acceptable, then it is a free-for-all as far as I am concerned.

I expect your flag count to drop significantly, then. Especially if you take the position that it is acceptable to render "evil" for "evil".

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:10:28 »
I have to ask is this how Christians act?

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:11:44 »
Good question.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:12:45 »
I have to ask is this how Christians act?

Nope.  But I have turned the cheek one too many times.  Getting slapped in the face on a constant basis is getting old.  Reformer's post was quite a punch.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:16:25 »
I am not anyone important around here, but I don't think this is Christlike conversation at all  and even something that is beneficial to these boards.

It should be nipped in the bud as far as I am concerned.

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« Reply #25 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:19:06 »
I posted the counterpart to this topic here:

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=25704.msg490505#msg490505

I thought it would be honest if both sides were looked at equally.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:22:25 »
Salaried preachers, Catholics, and President Bush all have this in common: Reformer doesn't like them and isn't shy about sharing his dislike with the world. If you are one of those three, I'd recommend avoiding his posts. It'd prevent heartburn all around.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:22:41 »
This is all very pathetic.

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:26:16 »
This is all very pathetic.

You know whats pathetic...

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:27:32 »
Oh yes.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:33:27 »
Salaried preachers, Catholics, and President Bush all have this in common: Reformer doesn't like them and isn't shy about sharing his dislike with the world. If you are one of those three, I'd recommend avoiding his posts. It'd prevent heartburn all around.
So he must have had a near heart attack watching EWTN's coverage of the papal visit to the White House! rofl

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« Reply #31 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:33:46 »
"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."  -- Jesus

"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.  The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."  -  Jesus

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« Reply #32 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 16:43:15 »
"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."  -- Jesus

"I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.  The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me."  -  Jesus

Great post Spurly - and apparently about 6 months too late

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« Reply #33 on: Fri Apr 18, 2008 - 18:06:04 »
6 months? What do you mean by that?

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« Reply #34 on: Sat Apr 19, 2008 - 13:24:16 »
Did you know that if two Chinese people get married, their children will not be English?

Yep....two Wong's don't make a Wright.

I agree but there comes a time when one must fight fire with fire.

Only trained properly , outfitted, dedicated firemen must try this... everyone else... will crash and burn.  And even they will tell you to try fighting fire with water first or the approved fire fighting equipment, such as an extinguisher.  Fighting fire with fire is reserved for the trained professional.  FYI.