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What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« on: Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 15:53:41 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?



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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #1 on: Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 16:27:18 »
Perhaps some.  Most probably are busy enough with their own responsibilities to the Lord.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #2 on: Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 16:30:08 »
Perhaps some.  Most probably are busy enough with their own responsibilities to the Lord.
The responsibilities to the Lord included:

 Matthew 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 

  28:20   Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...."

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #3 on: Sat Jan 03, 2009 - 17:07:08 »
His very words!

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #4 on: Sun Jan 04, 2009 - 08:39:26 »
A good article to read and learn

 http://www.the-highway.com/principles.html

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Jan 07, 2009 - 15:21:32 »
For me, it's child chimney-sweeps, but everyone has their own travesty to protest.  Bob Seger, for instance, was Against the Wind.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #6 on: Fri Jan 09, 2009 - 07:19:35 »
Perhaps some.  Most probably are busy enough with their own responsibilities to the Lord.
The responsibilities to the Lord included:

 Matthew 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 

  28:20   Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...."

Those were the apoltles' responsibilities, not the disciples.

That is where you err, by making your self an appointed teacher. That is why you guys cannot agree on doctrine: You all make yourselves all apostles, by no authority other than your own.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jan 09, 2009 - 09:59:26 »
Perhaps some.  Most probably are busy enough with their own responsibilities to the Lord.
The responsibilities to the Lord included:

 Matthew 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 

  28:20   Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...."

Those were the apoltles' responsibilities, not the disciples.

That is where you err, by making your self an appointed teacher. That is why you guys cannot agree on doctrine: You all make yourselves all apostles, by no authority other than your own.

Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jan 10, 2009 - 13:45:04 »
Perhaps some.  Most probably are busy enough with their own responsibilities to the Lord.
The responsibilities to the Lord included:

 Matthew 28:19   Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 

  28:20   Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...."

Those were the apostles' responsibilities, not the disciples.

That is where you err, by making your self an appointed teacher. That is why you guys cannot agree on doctrine: You all make yourselves all apostles, by no authority other than your own.


After thinking on this for a while I have to ask this.

Just how are apostles made these days?

It seems from reading the word of our Father that he hand selected his apostles and that there were none other than the ones he selected. They in turn passed on gifts of leadership by laying on of hands (which seems from reading the word that they were the only ones that could do this) and those transferred to were not called apostles.

Even the ones that they transferred power to could not transfer it further. It seems from reading the word that they had to call on the apostles to impart this specific gift. Being that they are no longer with us just how does this work today?

I do not know the answer to this question but it would seem likely that it has something to do with the spirit being call the word and some how through that we carry one.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #9 on: Sun Jan 11, 2009 - 16:25:20 »
After thinking on this for a while I have to ask this.

Just how are apostles made these days?
1 Corinthians  12:27   Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 
  12:28   And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 
  12:29   [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles? 
  12:30   Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 

Just remember....no man picks what they will be, in the Lord's work.
 It is God who choses whom will receive the gift that God think that that person will have.

NO MAN has the right to judge a person about what their duty to God is......because it is God who controls who gets what gift.

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It seems from reading the word of our Father that he hand selected his apostles and that there were none other than the ones he selected. They in turn passed on gifts of leadership by laying on of hands (which seems from reading the word that they were the only ones that could do this) and those transferred to were not called apostles.

Even the ones that they transferred power to could not transfer it further. It seems from reading the word that they had to call on the apostles to impart this specific gift. Being that they are no longer with us just how does this work today?

I do not know the answer to this question but it would seem likely that it has something to do with the spirit being call the word and some how through that we carry one.

God calls a person to the post that HE thinks that person is to fill.
It has to do with the talents, that God gave that person.


Titus 2:15  These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.  
 

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #10 on: Sat Feb 14, 2009 - 23:06:09 »
We as followers are deciples of GOD therefore we learn from our appointed Ministers

Praise GOD for them

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #11 on: Sun Feb 15, 2009 - 10:47:07 »
We as followers are deciples of GOD therefore we learn from our appointed Ministers

Praise GOD for them

How can you trust them to tell you the complete truth....unless you now what  the Bible says for yourself ?

It could be the case of the blind, leading the blind !

THAT is what happened to people in Christ's day.

The religious leaders told the people that Christ was wrong, and that those who followed Christ, were expelled from  the church.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #12 on: Sun Feb 15, 2009 - 11:17:47 »
I belive my preacher, due to his studies on the subject.  Which is far greater than just the Bible.  He studied what the time was like back then.  He has made several trips to the Holy Land, and never stops studieng the text.  Yes he can read Greek and Hebrew.  I also study the Bible daily not just from him, but I am part of 2 Bible studies (one we are going through the book "What in the world is going on" by Dr. David Jeremia (sic)) and the other is conducted by another local preacher whe knows the Bible better than anyone I know.  And he too studies what it was like back then.  He just has not gone over to the Holy Lands yet.

I also will be attending Koinania next month.  It is like a Revival set in the woods.  Something my heart needs.

I am also a Vol. who works at the Alive Fest here in Ohio.  Great worship, Bible Study, and a blessingload of great music.

Now do I know everything?  No.   Out of 100% knowledge, the smartest man only knows 5%  and I am lower than that.  But I am like a sponge, I learn and I soak up.  So While I will never know 100% here on this planet, GOD is helping me to learn what is needed to be with HIM when I die.  Or get Raptured (whatever happens first)

GOD Bless,
Bill

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #13 on: Sun Feb 15, 2009 - 22:15:13 »
I was going to paste a chapter from the book LESSONS FROM THE REFORMATION, by Alonzo Jones here to be read by those who want to know where the word Protestan came from, but it is to long.  The title of the chapter is, WHAT IS ‚ÄúPROTESTANT?

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #14 on: Sun Mar 01, 2009 - 11:02:07 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?





http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp
Read online book, UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
at that website. Written by a former roman catholic that got saved:
It compares 37 roman catholic main doctrines from the catholic catechism and shows in detail how they contradict what the bible says.
Roman catholicism and the bible do not agree:
The doctrines in question:
1 Salvation Through The Church
2 Salvation Through Good Works
3 The Church Forgives Sins
4 The One True Church
5 Baptism Saves
6 The Pope: Vicar of Christ
7 The Pope: Infallible
8 The Sacraments Save
9 The Sin of Presumption
10 Infant Baptism
11 Degrees of Sin
12 Transubstantiation
13 Eucharist: Preserves from Sin
14 Eucharist: Helps the Dead
15 Mary Saves
16 Mary: Saved from Birth
17 Mary: Perpetual Virgin
18 Mary: Source of Holiness
19 Mary: The Intercessor
20 Mary: Recipient of Prayers
21 Mary: Queen Over All Things
22 The Mass
23 Purgatory
24 Praying to Saints
25 Praying for the Dead
26 Statues
27 Confirmation
28 Confessing Sins to a Priest
29 Indulgences
30 Interpreting God' s Word
31 Catholic Prayer
32 Penance
33 Are Catholics Christ?
34 Could 850 Million Catholics be Wrong?
35 Reconciliation
36 Celibacy
37 Last Rites
For further reading go to chick.com and search these online gospel tracts:
ARE ROMAN CATHOLICS CHRISTIANS
IS THERE ANOTHER CHRIST
WHY IS MARY CRYING

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #15 on: Sun Mar 01, 2009 - 13:37:24 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?





http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp
Read online book, UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
at that website. Written by a former roman catholic that got saved:
It compares 37 roman catholic main doctrines from the catholic catechism and shows in detail how they contradict what the bible says.
Roman catholicism and the bible do not agree:
The doctrines in question:
1 Salvation Through The Church
2 Salvation Through Good Works
3 The Church Forgives Sins
4 The One True Church
5 Baptism Saves
6 The Pope: Vicar of Christ
7 The Pope: Infallible
8 The Sacraments Save
9 The Sin of Presumption
10 Infant Baptism
11 Degrees of Sin
12 Transubstantiation
13 Eucharist: Preserves from Sin
14 Eucharist: Helps the Dead
15 Mary Saves
16 Mary: Saved from Birth
17 Mary: Perpetual Virgin
18 Mary: Source of Holiness
19 Mary: The Intercessor
20 Mary: Recipient of Prayers
21 Mary: Queen Over All Things
22 The Mass
23 Purgatory
24 Praying to Saints
25 Praying for the Dead
26 Statues
27 Confirmation
28 Confessing Sins to a Priest
29 Indulgences
30 Interpreting God' s Word
31 Catholic Prayer
32 Penance
33 Are Catholics Christ?
34 Could 850 Million Catholics be Wrong?
35 Reconciliation
36 Celibacy
37 Last Rites
For further reading go to chick.com and search these online gospel tracts:
ARE ROMAN CATHOLICS CHRISTIANS
IS THERE ANOTHER CHRIST
WHY IS MARY CRYING

There is something else that is not listed here.
 And that is the fact that Sunday worship services, are Catholic in origin.

The Romans Catholic Church set up Sunday worship services.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #16 on: Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 12:44:17 »
Well, the bible says that new Christians met on the first day of the week.  So I think you are dead wrong then.

SDA's are more judiazers then christians, imnsho.


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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #17 on: Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 12:46:23 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?





http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp
Read online book, UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
at that website. Written by a former roman catholic that got saved:
It compares 37 roman catholic main doctrines from the catholic catechism and shows in detail how they contradict what the bible says.
Roman catholicism and the bible do not agree:
The doctrines in question:
1 Salvation Through The Church
2 Salvation Through Good Works
3 The Church Forgives Sins
4 The One True Church
5 Baptism Saves
6 The Pope: Vicar of Christ
7 The Pope: Infallible
8 The Sacraments Save
9 The Sin of Presumption
10 Infant Baptism
11 Degrees of Sin
12 Transubstantiation
13 Eucharist: Preserves from Sin
14 Eucharist: Helps the Dead
15 Mary Saves
16 Mary: Saved from Birth
17 Mary: Perpetual Virgin
18 Mary: Source of Holiness
19 Mary: The Intercessor
20 Mary: Recipient of Prayers
21 Mary: Queen Over All Things
22 The Mass
23 Purgatory
24 Praying to Saints
25 Praying for the Dead
26 Statues
27 Confirmation
28 Confessing Sins to a Priest
29 Indulgences
30 Interpreting God' s Word
31 Catholic Prayer
32 Penance
33 Are Catholics Christ?
34 Could 850 Million Catholics be Wrong?
35 Reconciliation
36 Celibacy
37 Last Rites
For further reading go to chick.com and search these online gospel tracts:
ARE ROMAN CATHOLICS CHRISTIANS
IS THERE ANOTHER CHRIST
WHY IS MARY CRYING




I enjoy reading Mr. Chick's site.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #18 on: Sat Apr 18, 2009 - 12:59:28 »
Well, the bible says that new Christians met on the first day of the week.  So I think you are dead wrong then.
I agree with you, Christians did meet on the 1st day if the week.
And the Bible says it was a farewell meeting for Paul, because they would never see him again, in this lifetime Acts  20:37   And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him, 
  20:38   Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship. 


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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #19 on: Sun May 24, 2009 - 22:35:47 »
I'm a Protestant. I'm entirely against Romanism. I protest it's salvation by works, worship of everything under the sun, atrocious additions to the Bible, crusades, inquisitions (which office is still in existence today and being run by the current pope before he was elected) and all the abominations of Rome. In fact, I agree with all Protestant in that Romanism is Mystery Babylon and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) is the Antichrist.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #20 on: Wed May 27, 2009 - 09:51:17 »
I'm a Protestant. I'm entirely against Romanism. I protest it's salvation by works, worship of everything under the sun, atrocious additions to the Bible, crusades, inquisitions (which office is still in existence today and being run by the current pope before he was elected) and all the abominations of Rome. In fact, I agree with all Protestant in that Romanism is Mystery Babylon and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) is the Antichrist.
What few in the Christian world understand is that when a person attends Sunday worship services....they acknowledge the RCC as dictating their doctrinal beliefs, instead of believing the Bible.

Romans  6:16   Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ? 

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #21 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 15:40:04 »
Since before the Reformation there have been " protesters" against the Roman Catholic Church. The greatest undoubtedly was Professor Martin Luther who nailed 99 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. These 99 protestations stood against unbiblical Romish doctrine.

There are not many in this generation who are " old-school " Protestants. That may be due to the fact that most Christians today know their Bibles a lot better than they did in 1500 and no longer require the same enlightenment through " protesting " as did occur in the days of the early Reformers.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 15:49:39 »
I'm a Protestant. I'm entirely against Romanism. I protest it's salvation by works, worship of everything under the sun, atrocious additions to the Bible, crusades, inquisitions (which office is still in existence today and being run by the current pope before he was elected) and all the abominations of Rome. In fact, I agree with all Protestant in that Romanism is Mystery Babylon and the Roman Pontiff (Pope) is the Antichrist.
What few in the Christian world understand is that when a person attends Sunday worship services....they acknowledge the RCC as dictating their doctrinal beliefs, instead of believing the Bible.

Romans  6:16   Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?  

And when anyone quotes from the KJV they are acknowledging that the Anglican church dictates their doctrine instead of the word of God.



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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #23 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 16:05:50 »
Since before the Reformation there have been " protesters" against the Roman Catholic Church. The greatest undoubtedly was Professor Martin Luther who nailed 99 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. These 99 protestations stood against unbiblical Romish doctrine.

There are not many in this generation who are " old-school " Protestants. That may be due to the fact that most Christians today know their Bibles a lot better than they did in 1500 and no longer require the same enlightenment through " protesting " as did occur in the days of the early Reformers.

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There is only one church organzation in the world, that protests against RCC doctrines....and, that is the 7th Day Adventist church.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #24 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 21:18:11 »
Since before the Reformation there have been " protesters" against the Roman Catholic Church. The greatest undoubtedly was Professor Martin Luther who nailed 99 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. These 99 protestations stood against unbiblical Romish doctrine.

There are not many in this generation who are " old-school " Protestants. That may be due to the fact that most Christians today know their Bibles a lot better than they did in 1500 and no longer require the same enlightenment through " protesting " as did occur in the days of the early Reformers.

canuck
There is only one church organzation in the world, that protests against RCC doctrines....and, that is the 7th Day Adventist church.

Not true.  Anyways, the church you mention also protests against God's Word concerning judging others by sabbath observance, it protests against God's Word concerning the Lord's Day, it protests against God's Word by having a "Prophet" teach a doctrine of demons concerning food, and it protests against God's Word by laying out a doctrine in which the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was not enough.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #25 on: Thu Jun 18, 2009 - 21:34:02 »
Since before the Reformation there have been " protesters" against the Roman Catholic Church. The greatest undoubtedly was Professor Martin Luther who nailed 99 theses to the church door in Wittenberg. These 99 protestations stood against unbiblical Romish doctrine.

There are not many in this generation who are " old-school " Protestants. That may be due to the fact that most Christians today know their Bibles a lot better than they did in 1500 and no longer require the same enlightenment through " protesting " as did occur in the days of the early Reformers.

canuck
There is only one church organzation in the world, that protests against RCC doctrines....and, that is the 7th Day Adventist church.

Not true.  Anyways, the church you mention also protests against God's Word concerning judging others by sabbath observance,
32:33   And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 

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it protests against God's Word concerning the Lord's Day,
God says the Lord's Day is the 7th day sabbath.

Isaiah  58:13   If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: 

 
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it protests against God's Word by having a "Prophet" teach a doctrine of demons concerning food,
Isiaah 66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 
  66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 
  66:17   They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

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[and it protests against God's Word by laying out a doctrine in which the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was not enough.
If it was enoughtg...then why is Jesus Christ in heaven avting as High Priest ?

Hebrews   8:1   Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 
  8:2   A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #26 on: Fri May 07, 2010 - 19:40:41 »
A good article to read and learn

 http://www.the-highway.com/principles.html


excellent article -- Thanks!!

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #27 on: Mon May 24, 2010 - 19:05:17 »
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Protestant


The Definition:


1. One of the German princes and cities that protested against the decision of the second Diet of Speyer (1529) to enforce the Edict of Worms (1521) and deny toleration to Lutherans. This is the original meaning and the origin of the term.


2. A Christian or Christian organization whose faith and practice are founded on the principles of the Reformation, especially the teaching of Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide and sometimes the praxis of Sola Scriptura.




The Usage:


1. By Non-Protestant. Originally, it simply referred to a group of German princes protesting the forbidding of Lutherans to worship in certain areas. It had nothing to do with the Pope or the Catholic Denomination, it was about the Diet of Speyer. But, in time, it became a term of derision by Catholics to refer to those who, IN THE OPINION OF CATHOLICS, were "protesting" the absolute, unquestionable, infallible/unaccountable authority of the Pope (and they were likely right!). It typically was not extended to Eastern Orthodox Christians and organizations. For some, it still has this deragatory, condemning meaning and for some Catholics, it is still a term of derision.

2. By Protestant. Those Christians and Christian organizations that identify themselves with neither the RCC or EO denominations and who embrace Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide originally called themselves "Evangelicals." For a time, they resisted the Catholic term of derision "Protestant", not only because it was intended to be deflamatory but because it was inaccurate - they were not about "protesting" but about proclaiming the Gospel as they understood such. But, in time, the term lost its derivise quality and simply became a very sloppy term for Lutherans, Anglicans and Calvinists as a group. In time, these Christians themselves began to use the term as a generic label for the commonality of this group - especially vis-a-vis Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide. This was not only true for the term "Protestant" but also for the terms "Lutheran" and later "Methodist" (both originally terms of derision that came into such common use and lost that negativity so that those in those groups began embracing the label).



Comments:


1. A "Protestant" is not one who fundamentally "protests." He/she is one who embraces what they regard as historic, orthodox, biblical Christianity and the defining concept of Sola Gratia/Solus Christus/Sola Fide and perhaps the epistemological praxis of Sola Scriptura. I'm Protestant, but I don't "protest" the Catholic Church - I hold it in very high regard and consider it valid (actually, its the RCC that "protests" noncatholics). This is an understandable but simply inaccurate usage of the term. The only "protest" involved was to the Diet of Speyer in 1529.


2. A "Protestant" is not simply a Christian who is not officially registered in a congregation legally affiliated with the Catholic Denomination. Such would mean that Orthodox Christians, etc. would be "Protestant" as they would deny (correctly). Protestant is a sloppy, generic term for a theological position, for those that AFFIRM such.


3. While undeniably Luther, Calvin and others were "against" the Catholic Denomination of their day at some points AND the RCC was "against" them to the EXACT same degree on the EXACT same issues. Thus, Luther and the RCC were BOTH "protestant" (if such is defined as "in disagreement") to the EXACT same degree and on the EXACT same issues. But note that the RCC excommunicated Luther - not the other way around.


4. I take no automatic offense at the labels "Lutheran" or "Protestant." Indeed, I embrace and use them - even aware of their "history." Those registered with the LDS are typically no longer taking offense at "Mormon" (indeed, many of them have embraced it). Catholics (for some reason) occasionally still take offense at "Roman Catholic" but so it goes, that is their choice.


5. I do think the term should be understood and used correctly. As such, no offense will be taken (or implied) and nothing other will be meant.





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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #28 on: Sat May 29, 2010 - 13:02:19 »
Protestants should be protesting RCC doctrines.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #29 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 16:59:48 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

1 So, where are the protestants today ?

2 Are there any left ?

3 And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?


1. I am from the Netherlands and the name of the biggest church community here is 'Protestant Church in the Netherlands'. Many different christian movements are part of this community (Including many Lutheran and Calvinist churches)

2. Yes, there are millions left!

3. We definitely don't agree with them and we never will! (Although we don't really protest against them anymore)

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #30 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 17:44:24 »

1- Those were the apoltles' responsibilities, not the disciples.

2- You all make yourselves all apostles, by no authority other than your own.

1- So now that the apostles are physically dead, no one is expected to evangelize?

2- Who are you referring to here?

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #31 on: Wed Aug 11, 2010 - 17:49:29 »
These 99 protestations stood against unbiblical Romish doctrine.


Not quite.

It was 95, and many of them actually affirmed Catholic doctrine.  Main issue was the sale of indulgences. Look it up.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #32 on: Sat Aug 21, 2010 - 08:37:03 »
stevehut: "It was 95, and many of them actually affirmed Catholic doctrine.  Main issue was the sale of indulgences. Look it up."

Thanks stevehut..To understand the theory of indulgence in the Roman Church is to find that the remission of the penalty (vs. guilt) of sin; i.e., temporal vs. eternal penalty. In Roman Catholic dogma, the indulgence called for 1 (contribution, 2 (confession, and, 3 (contribution.

In Roman Catholic practice and popular teaching, the indulgence was often offered as forgiveness of guilt, and often presented on such a way that with sufficient contribution, contrition and confession might be minimized or waived completely. Indulgence was also often presented as permission for future sins, although this is not stated in Roman dogma.

The indulgence here on earth replaced time in Purgatory. The papacy found that it was a convenient and efficient way to raise money.

Why the indulgence? The pope wanted money to build St. Peters cathedral in Rome. Albert of Brandeburg wanted to purchase multiple ecclesiastical offices. Pope Leo X said that he could borrow the money from the Fuggers, pay cash to the pope, and they take over the sale of indulgences for St. Peters, and deduct enough money to pay himself back.

The proclamation of this indulgence was entrusted to the Dominican Tetzel, an experienced vendor. As he approached a town, he was met by the dignitaries, who then entered with him in solemn procession. A cross bearing the papal arms preceded him, and the pope's bull of indulgence was borne aloft on a gold-embroibeled velvet cushion. The cross was solemnly planted in the market place, and the sermon began. "As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, The soul from purgatory springs."

Luther saw through this papal scam and opposed it. In October of 1517, Luther wrote out the Ninety-Five Theses and tacked them to the church door at Wittenburg. The Thesis was originally written in Latin and could not be read by the common man. Luther, however, had in mind more than academic debate. He later distributed the Thesis  among the people in the vernacular. Luther was concerned that his people were being led to pay for the corrupt office of Albert of Brandenberg and that they were being taught to think of forgiveness in monetary terms.

The Theses were widely read and the sale of indulgences dropped off drastically. If this had not happened, little or nothing would probably have come of the whole business. Because of the loss of income, champions for the Roman cause were aroused. Professor Eck of Ingelstadt, a former friend and fellow student of Luther, put himself forward to defend the system of indulgences. Since Eck defended the practice soley on the ground of authority, Luther was forced to examine the whole question of authority. This led him to realize that there is neither scriptural nor historical support for the claims to Roman authority, and ultimately led him to break with Rome. Up to this time, Luther had never considered the more fundamental question of papal and ecclesiastical authority.

An interesting note: In his debate with Professor Eck on the question of authority, Luther argued that the early cCurch in the west did not accept the authority of the Roman bishop and that the Church in the east never did. Eck accused Luther of following the "damned and pestiferous errors of John Wyclif," and "the pestilent errors of John Hus, who claimed that Peter neither was nor in the head of the Holy Catholic Church,"  Luthe denined Counciliar authority and pointed out that Councils had contradicted each other. He affirmed the authority of Scripture.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #33 on: Thu Sep 30, 2010 - 20:47:31 »


Yes, the only true unity will come from blindly following some other self-appointed teacher!
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Jesus started the Church.  It's authority is not self appointed.

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Re: What are Protestants ...Protesting ?
« Reply #34 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 16:53:50 »
The original term meant, people who protested against the Roman Catholic church, and her doctrines.

So, where are the protestants today ?

Are there any left ?

And if so, are they still protesting against the church of Rome ?




This Protestant still is.  It seems lots of the others want to be politically correct and sweet and nice "like Jesus was" so they kow tow to them. 

I didn't keep up with that false religion too much for a number of years but about 4 years ago something happened that caused me to raise up out of seat in righteous anger.  A fellow Vietnam veteran and I who served on the same ship at the same time were making small talk at one of our military reunions when I decided to bring the conversation around to things of the spirit, so I asked Mike if he knew for sure he was going to heaven when he died.  He answered "yup,  I cut my priest a big fat check and he guaranteed me that I'm going to heaven."  I was shocked and I immediately said "Mike you cannot buy your way into heaven."  His wife jumped up and practically screamed "my husband is going to heaven, DO YOU UNDERSTAND!"  I left that room rather quickly.  Mike died about two years later and went to a Christless grave thanks to his "faith" in the RCC and that stinking, lying, no good for nothing "priest."

Ben