Author Topic: Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to a priest? (Read 7913 times)

Elvisman · « **on:** September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM »

Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **on:** September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM »

Paulus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2011, 12:35:25 PM »

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM

Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

Many don't .

There is an Anglican church at top of my street where the parishioners confess their sins to the priest .

It is normal practice in many Anglican parishes , though they are in the minority nationwide .

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2011, 12:35:25 PM »

Elvisman · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2011, 02:34:56 PM »

Quote from: Paulus on September 30, 2011, 12:35:25 PM

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

Many don't .

There is an Anglican church at top of my street where the parishioners confess their sins to the priest .

It is normal practice in many Anglican parishes , though they are in the minority nationwide .

Yes, I should have said "MOST" Protestants.

Josiah · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2011, 05:16:26 PM »

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM

Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Did you MEAN to quote, "If a priest properly ordained in the RC denomination forgives you, you are forgiven - if not, you are eternally damned?" If so, that's what what you posted, you may want to go back and edit your post.

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Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2011, 05:16:26 PM »

Elvisman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2011, 06:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Josiah on September 30, 2011, 05:16:26 PM

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Did you MEAN to quote, "If a priest properly ordained in the RC denomination forgives you, you are forgiven - if not, you are eternally damned?" If so, that's what what you posted, you may want to go back and edit your post.

All you have do do is read what I typed. Not really sure why you find it so difficult to follow . . .

PS - The Catholic Church is the stump from which all Protestant sects splintered from. It is not a mere denomination as they are.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2011, 06:43:03 PM »

kensington · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2011, 06:59:46 PM »

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 06:43:03 PM

Quote from: Josiah on September 30, 2011, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Did you MEAN to quote, "If a priest properly ordained in the RC denomination forgives you, you are forgiven - if not, you are eternally damned?" If so, that's what what you posted, you may want to go back and edit your post.
All you have do do is read what I typed. Not really sure why you find it so difficult to follow . . .

PS - The Catholic Church is the stump from which all Protestant sects splintered from. It is not a mere denomination as they are.

This is insulting and you may want to read the rules on posting such things. You might need to confess that sin.

kensington · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2011, 07:25:21 PM »

Also, by the very verse you quoted for this topic, what is the priest for? It said forgive the sins of one another, it didn't say go to a priest and be granted forgiveness from him.

The verse was an admonishment to the body of Christ on forgiving one another, not an instruction to continue an Old Testament practice that was no longer needed once Jesus the High Priest came.

But, I do have a question. Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the protestants. How is that productive to the edification and building of the church?

Josiah · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2011, 07:26:05 PM »

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM

Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

So, the only ones who may forgive sins were the Apostles. Okay...
Then your priest can't (check the list of the Apostles - his name ain't there).
And I hope when you pray The Lord's Prayer, you delete the petition about ".... as we forgive those that sin against us."

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Ladonia · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2011, 12:10:36 AM »

Quote from: Paulus on September 30, 2011, 12:35:25 PM

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

Many don't .

There is an Anglican church at top of my street where the parishioners confess their sins to the priest .

It is normal practice in many Anglican parishes , though they are in the minority nationwide .

Well, that is interesting, I did not know that. I had always heard that us and the Anglicans were the same in many respects, but the confession to a priest aspect I did not know.

Ladonia · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2011, 12:15:03 AM »

Quote from: kensington on September 30, 2011, 07:25:21 PM

Also, by the very verse you quoted for this topic, what is the priest for? It said forgive the sins of one another, it didn't say go to a priest and be granted forgiveness from him.

The verse was an admonishment to the body of Christ on forgiving one another, not an instruction to continue an Old Testament practice that was no longer needed once Jesus the High Priest came.

But, I do have a question. Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the protestants. How is that productive to the edification and building of the church?

Elvisman, is this true?

Paulus · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2011, 04:10:33 AM »

Quote from: Ladonia on October 01, 2011, 12:10:36 AM

Quote from: Paulus on September 30, 2011, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

Many don't .

There is an Anglican church at top of my street where the parishioners confess their sins to the priest .

It is normal practice in many Anglican parishes , though they are in the minority nationwide .

Well, that is interesting, I did not know that. I had always heard that us and the Anglicans were the same in many respects, but the confession to a priest aspect I did not know.

Yes , Ladonia , it's common among those Anglicans who term themselves Anglo-Catholic , many of whom use the Roman Missal , and even include "Benedict our Pope" in the Eucharistic Prayer .

Paulus · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2011, 04:17:24 AM »

Quote from: kensington on September 30, 2011, 07:25:21 PM

But, I do have a question. Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the protestants. How is that productive to the edification and building of the church?

That's rich !

You want to read some of the threads on this forum .

The vitriolic attacks on matters Catholic are very unedifying and destructive of any attempts at producing dialogue .

Elvisman · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2011, 09:09:28 AM »

Quote from: Josiah on September 30, 2011, 07:26:05 PM

Quote from: Elvisman on September 30, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
Why do Protestants object to Confessing sins to the Church when Jesus emphatically declared this to be true?

In John 20:21-23, Jesus told the Apostles:
“Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

So, the only ones who may forgive sins were the Apostles. Okay...
Then your priest can't (check the list of the Apostles - his name ain't there).
And I hope when you pray The Lord's Prayer, you delete the petition about ".... as we forgive those that sin against us."

We can ALL forgive each other when we sin against each other.
However, Jeus didn't give everybody the power to bind and loose - ONLY the Apostles, the first Bishops.

A simple rule of thumb about hermeneutics (biblical interpretation):
When Jesus spoke to the crowds, he spoke to ALL of us.
When Jesus instructed the Twelve, it was to the leaders of the Church.

My priest wasn't on of the Apostles but he is part of the Apostolic succession spoken of in Acts 1:12-26.

READ YOUR BIBLE.

Elvisman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2011, 09:35:37 AM »

Quote from: Ladonia on October 01, 2011, 12:15:03 AM

Quote from: kensington on September 30, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
Also, by the very verse you quoted for this topic, what is the priest for? It said forgive the sins of one another, it didn't say go to a priest and be granted forgiveness from him.

The verse was an admonishment to the body of Christ on forgiving one another, not an instruction to continue an Old Testament practice that was no longer needed once Jesus the High Priest came.

But, I do have a question. Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the protestants. How is that productive to the edification and building of the church?

Elvisman, is this true?

NO. Kensington is wrong. Here's why:
The generally accepted rule of hermeneutics (biblical interpretation) is that when Jesus spoke to the crowds, he spoke to ALL of us. When Jesus instructed the Twelve, it was to the leaders of the Church.

The practice of telling our sins directly to a priest is based directly in Scripture. THREE times in the Gospels (Matt. 16:19, 18:18 and John 20:23), we read where Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins or to hold them bound. This is not a something that Jesus took lightly. In John 20:21-23, Jesus (who is God) breathes on the Apostles as he is giving them this power:
"(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only two times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:
The first is when he breathed life into Adam. The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

Ladonia · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2011, 10:42:27 AM »

Quote from: Elvisman on October 01, 2011, 09:35:37 AM

Quote from: Ladonia on October 01, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: kensington on September 30, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
Also, by the very verse you quoted for this topic, what is the priest for? It said forgive the sins of one another, it didn't say go to a priest and be granted forgiveness from him.

The verse was an admonishment to the body of Christ on forgiving one another, not an instruction to continue an Old Testament practice that was no longer needed once Jesus the High Priest came.

But, I do have a question. Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the protestants. How is that productive to the edification and building of the church?

Elvisman, is this true?
NO. Kensington is wrong. Here's why:
The generally accepted rule of hermeneutics (biblical interpretation) is that when Jesus spoke to the crowds, he spoke to ALL of us. When Jesus instructed the Twelve, it was to the leaders of the Church.

The practice of telling our sins directly to a priest is based directly in Scripture. THREE times in the Gospels (Matt. 16:19, 18:18 and John 20:23), we read where Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins or to hold them bound. This is not a something that Jesus took lightly. In John 20:21-23, Jesus (who is God) breathes on the Apostles as he is giving them this power:
"(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

The fact that Jesus breathed on the Apostles when entrusted them with this ministry is highly significant because he doesn’t do this anywhere else in the New Testament. In fact, there are only two times in ALL of Scripture where God breathes on man:
The first is when he breathed life into Adam. The second is here in John’s Gospel when he is giving them the power to forgive or retain sins.

I am Catholic through and through. Already believe what you said. But you misread by question. I meant you to answer question this posed by our brother: "Your posts seem to be posed in the form of a questions as a gateway for you to judge and insult the Protestants"?

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