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First order of business
« on: Fri Jan 02, 2009 - 14:09:34 »
For the first order of business what is Protestantism. Is it a different kind of religion? Why does it carry the word protest in it? That can not be a good sign to follow a group that claim to be Christians can it? It just sounds counter to what Christians should be to me.

What is the doctrine behind this group of protesting Christians that sets them apart from other Christians? Why would one want to fight for this name and be called such? Is there really glory in protesting? Wouldn't Follower or Disciple or Servant be better names?

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #1 on: Fri Jan 02, 2009 - 16:12:12 »
When I use it, it means "not Catholic."

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #2 on: Fri Jan 02, 2009 - 18:37:38 »
For the first order of business what is Protestantism. Is it a different kind of religion? Why does it carry the word protest in it? That can not be a good sign to follow a group that claim to be Christians can it? It just sounds counter to what Christians should be to me.

What is the doctrine behind this group of protesting Christians that sets them apart from other Christians? Why would one want to fight for this name and be called such? Is there really glory in protesting? Wouldn't Follower or Disciple or Servant be better names?

Good questions.

Protestantism began because Luther, who apparently feared for his salvation and wanted security. To that end, and to make things simpler, Luther created the doctrine sola fide. Even before his new doctrine was declared heretical, Luther was promulgating sola Scriptura as a way to defend sola fide. His argument was that Scripture is perspicuous and teaches faith only and thus only a whore of Babylon heretic would declare sola fide heretical.

It was and is a grand circle. Luther then decided that the only way to make his two new doctines work was to declare that man had no free will.

Because all ideas have consequences, Luther's new doctrines inspired many others to create their own interpretations of various Bible verses and when both Catholics and Luther rejected them, to create new denominations. That process has never ended.

So, there are two ways to define Protestant: 1) a follower of Luther and/or his doctrines (those 3 named above certainly - Luther contradicted himself many times on most others by the time he died), or 2) all anti-catholics.

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #3 on: Thu Jan 08, 2009 - 13:39:34 »
When I use it, it means "not Catholic."

I'd say that about sums it up

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #4 on: Sat Feb 14, 2009 - 23:40:05 »
Hey Ole Jake can I be both?

Although,

1.  I am not a follower of Luther.  I am a follower of CHRIST.

2.  I have some good friends that are Catholic. So While I an against the catholic religion, I am not against their people....other than the pope.

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #5 on: Sun Feb 15, 2009 - 17:39:27 »
For the first order of business what is Protestantism. Is it a different kind of religion? Why does it carry the word protest in it?

Protestants are called so because the rebelled against their own church.
They protested against the actions and people of the their church.

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What is the doctrine behind this group of protesting Christians that sets them apart from other Christians?

I've been trying to figure this out and it is not too easy.   Of course, our Protestant friends all believe in Jesus Christ, but so do the Catholic and Orthodox.    So, we have
to go to what Protestants almost all agree on and how is this unique to the rest of the Christian world.   Here is what I came up with, although it applies more to evangelical Protestants than traditional ones:

1) Sole fide -  salvation by faith alone

2) Sola scriptura - the Holy Scriptures as the sole source of authority

3) The church is invisible -  The one true church is not any single earthly church, but the sum of all believers in Christ in many different "churches" or, more properly, denominations.   

Does this sound right to you all?

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Why would one want to fight for this name and be called such? Is there really glory in protesting? Wouldn't Follower or Disciple or Servant be better names?

Yeah, the name is not too good, but we don't get to name ourselves.   Most Protestants I know (and I used to be one) prefer the term "Christian."  The problem here is some may intrepret it as Catholic and Orthodox are not Christians.   I don't get offended because you guys got stuck with a negative name (Protestant).


When I use it, it means "not Catholic."
I'd say that about sums it up

Nooo!!  Orthodox are not Protestants because we didn't rebel against our own
church.   The RCC was a sister church.   So, Protestants are children of Catholics.
(I don't mean to demean Protestants by saying that.  I mean in it in the same sense
that Christianity is a child of Judaism).   Protestants rebelled, Orthodox divorced.  There is a difference, but admittedly, it's a little subtle.

The other difference is we hold to none of the three doctrines described above.  Orthodoxy is the third branch of Christianity (and it's not too small either).


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Re: First order of business
« Reply #6 on: Mon Feb 16, 2009 - 04:50:40 »
Sorry if I was a Child of the Catholics I would have moved back to Wicca.,  Thank GOD I have nothing to do with that church.

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #7 on: Mon Feb 16, 2009 - 06:11:56 »
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For the first order of business what is Protestantism. Is it a different kind of religion? Why does it carry the word protest in it? That can not be a good sign to follow a group that claim to be Christians can it? It just sounds counter to what Christians should be to me.

What is the doctrine behind this group of protesting Christians that sets them apart from other Christians? Why would one want to fight for this name and be called such? Is there really glory in protesting? Wouldn't Follower or Disciple or Servant be better names?

I posted the following on the wrong board.  It was to answer the above question, but I confused it with the What are Protestants protesting thread.

I was going to paste a chapter from the book LESSONS FROM THE REFORMATION, by Alonzo Jones here to be read by those who want to know where the word Protestan came from, but it is to long.  The title of the chapter is, WHAT IS ‚ÄúPROTESTANT?

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #8 on: Mon Feb 16, 2009 - 09:55:58 »
I would attribute Protestantism to the seeds planted by Wycliffe and Hus.. during the 14th century the Catholic church had become so puffed up with its own importance that it drifted from it's primary purpose to the point were devout priests started questioning the papacy.

During this time the RCC kept all the ancient writings a secret from the masses to prevent being questioned and taking direct challenges at it's doctrines.  They solved this by excommunicating anyone seeking to read the scriptures for themselves and heaven forbid actually translate them into the common tongue.  A lot of people were burned at the stake because of this.

Luther was the logical result of such tyranny... if it hadn't been for him, someone else would have done it.  Luther was also not really interested in making a spectacle of his protest, but some followers took his thesis and mass produced them on the then new printing press and thrust Luther into a position that he did not want...

The rest is history.

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #9 on: Sat Feb 12, 2011 - 07:17:09 »
Tri said:

) Sole fide -  salvation by faith alone

2) Sola scriptura - the Holy Scriptures as the sole source of authority

3) The church is invisible -  The one true church is not any single earthly church, but the sum of all believers in Christ in many different "churches" or, more properly, denominations.  

Does this sound right to you all?


Sounds good to me Tri (except for that there denominations part), but then I'm a WHOSOEVER and not a Protestant............ sooooooooo  ::smile::

(personally, I think <in my grain of salt opinion> that the word/label came from those who believed themselves to be the "one true church" and couldn't figure out what to do with those of us who said  ::frown::, so they started 'dissin us by calling us protestants..........)
 ::noworries::

Nooo!!  Orthodox are not Protestants because we didn't rebel against our own
church.   The RCC was a sister church.   So, Protestants are children of Catholics.
(I don't mean to demean Protestants by saying that.  I mean in it in the same sense
that Christianity is a child of Judaism).   Protestants rebelled, Orthodox divorced.  There is a difference, but admittedly, it's a little subtle.


ya might remember that the was a guy who rebeled against His own!  Yup!  He set 'em right back on their heels so to speak.  He gave 'em "what for" and didn't mince words doing it!  Let's see...........hmmmmmm...........what was His name? hmmmmmmmmm............ now let me think............ OH YEAH!

JESUS!  

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #10 on: Sat Feb 12, 2011 - 20:55:53 »
Tri said:

) Sole fide -  salvation by faith alone

2) Sola scriptura - the Holy Scriptures as the sole source of authority

3) The church is invisible -  The one true church is not any single earthly church, but the sum of all believers in Christ in many different "churches" or, more properly, denominations.   

Does this sound right to you all?


Sounds good to me Tri (except for that there denominations part), but then I'm a WHOSOEVER and not a Protestant............ sooooooooo  ::smile::


Wow, p.   This thread is a golden oldie.  Glad you like my description of Protestants.

Maybe I should say my three points above describe Protestants and whosoevers. ::smile::  (I have to admit p., you're the first person that I met
that used that word to describe themselves as a Christian--you would've thought someone else came up with that before).

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Re: First order of business
« Reply #11 on: Sun Feb 13, 2011 - 19:46:46 »
Tri said:

) Sole fide -  salvation by faith alone

2) Sola scriptura - the Holy Scriptures as the sole source of authority

3) The church is invisible -  The one true church is not any single earthly church, but the sum of all believers in Christ in many different "churches" or, more properly, denominations.   

Does this sound right to you all?


Sounds good to me Tri (except for that there denominations part), but then I'm a WHOSOEVER and not a Protestant............ sooooooooo  ::smile::


Wow, p.   This thread is a golden oldie.  Glad you like my description of Protestants.

Maybe I should say my three points above describe Protestants and whosoevers. ::smile::  (I have to admit p., you're the first person that I met
that used that word to describe themselves as a Christian--you would've thought someone else came up with that before).

Hiya again Tri  ::tippinghat::

Actually, I can not take credit for "whosoever".  "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotton Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life."

HE DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT!

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