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Jay Leno Quote
« on: Sun Nov 13, 2011 - 01:10:50 »
This isn't a bible verse but I couldn't find an appropriate place to put this.

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With hurricanes, flooding, tornados, mud slides, fires out of control, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

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Re: Jay Leno Quote
« Reply #1 on: Sun Nov 13, 2011 - 16:49:54 »
This isn't a bible verse but I couldn't find an appropriate place to put this.

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With hurricanes, flooding, tornados, mud slides, fires out of control, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?
There's no good time to take God out. It galls me to the core that the minority of atheist jerks in this country think they can dictate to the rest of us that religous reference isn't appropriate in the Pledge.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Dec 04, 2011 - 20:05:21 »
This isn't a bible verse but I couldn't find an appropriate place to put this.

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With hurricanes, flooding, tornados, mud slides, fires out of control, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

the founding fathers Believed in Deism... Which is there is a god but he doesn't interact with man, so this isn't the Holy God of the bible......... Jesus wasn't their savior...... So when they say:
in god we trust - if this was the God of the bible that phase would not still be on money today.
But what we DO have is the Egyptian pyramid and the all seeing eye of Horus/satan as our GREAT seal.......

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Dec 06, 2011 - 10:34:14 »
As a Christian myself, I don't know if I really agree with having Under God in the pledge of allegiance, or sustaining In God we Trust as our national motto. It comes dangerously close to making Christianity the official religion of the country. And it's not like Under God and In God we Trust have ALWAYS been there. They weren't added until the 1950s, primarily to distinguish ourselves from Communist countries who were espousing Atheism.

For me, I just don't like the connotation that in order to pledge allegiance to the country, one must first believe in God. I don't think the two are inexorably linked.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 01:47:23 »
Saying In God we trust has nothing to do with Christianity.  It has to do with believing in God.  Muslims believe in God, Jews believe in God, lots of religions believe in God.  All it's saying is that we believe that there was a Creator, and that under Him, we are all equals.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 08:58:36 »
Saying In God we trust has nothing to do with Christianity.  It has to do with believing in God.  Muslims believe in God, Jews believe in God, lots of religions believe in God.  All it's saying is that we believe that there was a Creator, and that under Him, we are all equals.

I guess it doesn't specifically say the "Christian God" but that is most definitely the connotation, since most consider us a Christian Nation, and since most of the members who voted on this as our national slogan are Christian. But even so, stating that the nation's official stance is that there is a God is still dangerously close to overstepping that wall between church and state. In order to pledge allegiance to this country, one must still recite "under God," even if he or she does not believe in one. Again, I don't like the notion that one must believe this country is "under God" in order to pledge allegiance.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 09:39:56 »
This isn't a bible verse but I couldn't find an appropriate place to put this.

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With hurricanes, flooding, tornados, mud slides, fires out of control, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

the founding fathers Believed in Deism...

That really is nothing more than a left-progressive rewrite of history.  There were varying degrees of belief among the founding fathers.  Most believed fiercely in the God of the Bible; others perhaps not so much.  But even Jefferson, who is accused of being but a deist, probably had beliefs in God that go much deeper than some modern day leftists and atheists would like to think.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 15:56:08 »
The separation of church and state seems to be one of the most misunderstood aspects of our country.  Let's look at the actual words for a second.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

What does this actually say, and where did "separation of church and state" actually come from?

What the first amendment actually states is that congress will stay out of religion.  Nowhere does it say that religion should stay out of congress.  It says that there will not be an official religion of the US, or any laws restricting religious freedoms.

To say that the US as an entity is "one nation, under God." does not cross this line as there is no law passed to enforce anyone to actually believe in God.  There is nothing stating that we can't display the ten commandments in a court, just that we can't enforce them as our own laws. (which kinda makes it pointless to put them in the courtroom, but it's still legal.)  There is nothing stating that we can't have public prayer, we just can't force people to participate in it.  There is nothing stating that we can't have God on our currency, we just can't make people swear by it to spend that money.  This country has freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Dec 14, 2011 - 16:03:02 »
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What the first amendment actually states is that congress will stay out of religion.  Nowhere does it say that religion should stay out of congress.  It says that there will not be an official religion of the US, or any laws restricting religious freedoms.

I'm fully aware of what separation of church and state means. But when congress passes a resolution reaffirming that "In God We Trust" is our official motto, they are no longer staying out of religious affairs. So technically, while not really a law, congress is deciding that we are indeed a religious nation that puts its faith in God. This can be interpreted numerous ways, depending on what side of the argument you're on. For me, I don't like the connotative meaning that one must believe in God to pledge allegiance. And since "Under God" and "In God we Trust" are recent slogans (1956, I think) I don't think any harm will come if we do not have them in the Pledge or on money.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu Dec 15, 2011 - 05:02:32 »
Saying In God we trust has nothing to do with Christianity.  It has to do with believing in God.  Muslims believe in God, Jews believe in God, lots of religions believe in God.  All it's saying is that we believe that there was a Creator, and that under Him, we are all equals.

yes..but all these groups believe in a false God.

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Dec 15, 2011 - 23:19:57 »
No they don't.  Jews and Muslims believe in the same God that we do.  They just believe different things about him.  One believes that they are the chosen people and that a savior is coming at some point in the future(jews).  One believes that Jesus was a lesser prophet and that Mohammad was the greatest prophet (muslims) and we believe that Jesus was the savior and Son of God.

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Dec 15, 2011 - 23:22:14 »
No they don't.  Jews and Muslims believe in the same God that we do.  They just believe different things about him.  One believes that they are the chosen people and that a savior is coming at some point in the future(jews).  One believes that Jesus was a lesser prophet and that Mohammad was the greatest prophet (muslims) and we believe that Jesus was the savior and Son of God.


Muslims believe in Allah and follow the koran, they are instructed by the koran to kill christians and jews wheverever they find them. They do not believe or follow our God at all.
There is only one way to the father and that is through Jesus.

Muslims are not saved, they do not believe Jesus is God's son or that He died for us and as a consequence they are on their way to hell.

Jews follow the same God but without a Messiah they are lost.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 16:30:49 »
Muslims believe in the God of Abraham, which is the same God as the rest of us...  Just because they are misguided doesn't mean that it is not the same God.

The Muslim faith came about when Mohammad, a jew, had a spiritual revival inspired by God and wrote out the words spoken to him by God. (their belief, not mine) Just the same as Mormons came from Christianity, Muslims came from Jews. (and so did Christians.)  We all worship the same God.  That doesn't make us all correct in our faith. 

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 17:29:38 »
No Mohammed wasn't a Jew. And the muslims claiming to worship the same God as we do, doean't make him the same God. Allah is a counterfeit and all counterfeits have somethimg in common or look like the real thing. Mohammed simply tried to concoct a single God from the many tgat the polytheistic Arab tribes worahipped such as Allah the moon God to be like the monotheiatic Jews and Christian's God Jehovah. Islam is a product of the Great Deceiver, Satan.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 18:35:43 »
The modern Catholic Church has defined her relations to non-Christian religions in a document entitled Nostra Aetate. The section on Islam begins thus:

    The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men.


The q'aran teaches that the God of Abraham is the "one true God." and that Jesus was one of His human prophets, born of a virgin mother.  They don't believe the same things about God or Jesus that we do, but they believe in the same God.  Simply saying "no they don't." is pointless is completely unfounded.  No, they don't believe in the trinity, or that Jesus was the Son of God, but the God they worship is the same God that created Adam and that spoke to Abraham. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac#Muslim_views

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 19:22:03 »
From an ex-Islamic terrorist, Walid Shoebat:

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« Reply #16 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 20:00:36 »
I wouldn't use Walid Shoebat as a source if I wanted to be taken seriously.  This is a man who runs a charity, for whom no records can be found.  This is a man who claimed to be responsible for a terrorist act that even the people who were "attacked" claim never happened.  This man was somehow a terrorist in the PLO even before the founding of the PLO.  None of his claims have ever been substantiated.  As someone who spent years hunting terrorists for the US Army, I can tell you that these people don't hide in the shadows.  There are almost always very clear paper trails for these people they travel to areas at the same time as other terrorists, they make purchases of homes, cars, and weapons that don't look like their neighbors.  It's pretty easy to spot terrorists once you take a look at them, and there isn't one single shred of evidence that this man is who he claims to be.  Even Anderson Cooper and his entire news program could find no evidence of his claim.  They DID find lots of people who refuted his claims though, even family members, who almost never lie about family links to terrorists while in Palestine.

This man is more likely someone who is willing to say and do anything for a dollar.  As an American citizen, born in disputed lands, it is easier for him to earn a living telling lies about his homeland than it is for him to work.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 20:14:33 »
You are probably referring to a CNN feeble effort at a smear, which he has ably refuted on his website. He is not the only ex terrorist with these views. Also, Wikipedia is certainly not a very reliable source, that you sited earlier about Islam.

And it is not unusual for Muslim family members to disavow their family mbers who convert from. Islam. Or they just kill them or effectively put a death sentence on thwir heads. The man speakimg  with Walid on the video, has no link to him othwr tham agreeing with hia correct view of Islam. Which of xourse demands refuting by the Muslims hecondemns.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 21:57:57 »

For me, I just don't like the connotation that in order to pledge allegiance to the country, one must first believe in God.

Then I say go find somewhere else less demanding to live.  This is who we are, and it's what we stand for.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 22:44:14 »
My views aren't based on CNN.  My views are based from years of work as a member of one of the USASO Task Forces hunting down and killing or capturing terrorists.  This man is not who he says he is.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 23:02:45 »
Are you a believer that all roads and religions lead to heaven?

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« Reply #21 on: Fri Dec 16, 2011 - 23:41:54 »
Not at all.  I believe that both the Jews and Muslims, although they believe in the same God I believe in, believe incorrect things about Him and about what He has instructed us to do.  Just because one believes in God doesn't mean that they will enter Heaven; the bible is clear on that.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Dec 17, 2011 - 08:18:38 »
Even if Shoebat is a charlatan, which I strongly believe he is not, there is plenty of corroborating evidence that Islam and Allah are not what you think. The man speaking with Shoebat had been on the GLC network way before Shoebat came on the scene. There are many others that speak the truth about Islam.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

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The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 07:56:03 »
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Muslims are not saved, they do not believe Jesus is God's son or that He died for us and as a consequence they are on their way to hell.


This may be just a personal hangup of mine, but I get real uncomfortable when people set themselves up as judges over the salvation of others. I don't really think it's our place to be determining who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. I'd leave that up to God.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 08:36:24 »
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Then I say go find somewhere else less demanding to live.  This is who we are, and it's what we stand for.

Wow, that's a real helpful tone: Believe what we want you to believe or get out of our country. Last I checked, this was a free country, and believing in God is not a prerequisite for membership. Besides, if this is "who we are and what we stand for" why was "Under God"absent from the pledge prior to 1954? I do believe in God and thank him continually for providing such a country for us, but the notion that one must believe in God to be a patriot really bothers me. Remember, we are a country founded on religious freedom and tolerance above all else.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu Dec 22, 2011 - 18:04:15 »
1- Believe what we want you to believe or get out of our country.

2-  Last I checked, this was a free country, and believing in God is not a prerequisite for membership.

3- why was "Under God"absent from the pledge prior to 1954?

4- the notion that one must believe in God to be a patriot really bothers me.

1- No, I said stop complaining. If you can't be grateful to live in the freest society in the history of the planet, I say get out and try to find a better deal elsewhere.

2- I agree. Now let those who do believe, exercise their rights as well.

3- Didn't claim otherwise. But from the beginning we were overwhelmingly a nation of believers. Not necessarily believers in Christ, but certainly believers in God.

4- I agree. But that wasn't the point of this discussion. 



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« Reply #26 on: Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 12:38:59 »
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1- No, I said stop complaining. If you can't be grateful to live in the freest society in the history of the planet, I say get out and try to find a better deal elsewhere.

I don't believe I, at any time, stated that I was not grateful. I also don't believe that I was complaining. I was only stating my own personal conviction that I do not believe having "In God we Trust" as a national slogan, or having "Under God" in the pledge is fully appropriate. But even if I was complaining, as you so aptly pointed out, this is a free country; I can complain if I want to. Telling someone they should leave if they don't agree with one particular facet of a nation's identity is juvenile at best.

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I agree. Now let those who do believe, exercise their rights as well.

Certainly. I never said otherwise. I don't favor restricting personal religious practices at all. I only object when it seems as though the country is overemphasizing religious aspects when they aren't needed. The pledge, for example, is said to show our conviction to the country. We may choose to believe that it is a country under God, but requiring such a statement for non-believers strikes me as a little offensive. You obviously disagree with that assessment, and that is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions on the matter.

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Didn't claim otherwise. But from the beginning we were overwhelmingly a nation of believers. Not necessarily believers in Christ, but certainly believers in God.

My point with the date was that prior to the fifties, it didn't seem all that important to have God mentioned in the pledge, and it was never conceived originally with that wording. It was only added later to differentiate our sense of national identity with that of those espousing communism and atheism. We were founded primarily by those who believed in God, but I think they were also men and women who hoped to escape the overbearing presence of religion in the government; that's why they left England, after all.

I'm really not that passionate on the topic, and as a Christian myself, I do believe this is a nation "Under God" and that we would probably be a little better off if more people felt that way. On the same token, whenever there is a mingling of government and religion, I get a little antsy, because things can quickly be taken too far, and I try to respect the belief--or non belief--of fellow citizens.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat Dec 24, 2011 - 13:36:35 »
1- I do not believe having "In God we Trust" as a national slogan, or having "Under God" in the pledge is fully appropriate.

2- But even if I was complaining, as you so aptly pointed out, this is a free country; I can complain if I want to.

3- Telling someone they should leave if they don't agree with one particular facet of a nation's identity is juvenile at best.

4- We may choose to believe that it is a country under God, but requiring such a statement for non-believers strikes me as a little offensive.

5- My point with the date was that prior to the fifties, it didn't seem all that important to have God mentioned in the pledge.

6- I think they were also men and women who hoped to escape the overbearing presence of religion in the government

Perhaps we're not all that far apart, Slinger.

1- But that's who we are, it's what we as a nation believe. I'm not afraid to say so, at every opportunity.

2- Of course.  But seeing as you already life in the freest and most tolerant country in the history of the world, it just seems infinitely silly and petty.

3- And I will continue to preach it, every minute of my life if necessary, to anyone who complains they're not free enough in this freest of all nations. This is who we are.

4- I don't care if they're offended. They don't have to say the words if they don't want to.

5- That's true. But long before then, it WAS customary to have the Pledge followed by the song "My Country, 'Tis Of Thee." Recite the words to yourself, and ponder, who is "Thee" (always capitalized, in every songbook I've ever seen). Come on, take a guess.

6- OK, I'll bite. What is the overbearing religious presence in the US govt?

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« Reply #28 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 16:30:54 »
Man (with the devil's encouragement) has already taken God out of many areas--along with the Bible and prayer. Much of this country does NOT trust in God and wants nothing to do with Him. Many who claim to be Christians have no idea what it means to be born again by the blood of Jesus Christ--the ONLY Mediator between us and the Father. Without the Son of God there is no hope, and yet His name has been reduced to being used as cuss words.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Dec 25, 2011 - 21:54:23 »
Jay Leno often demonstrates a fundamental respect for Christian faith.  He reminds me of myself before I got saved.  My Christian religious upbringing had enough impact on me to be leery of satanic rock music and groups, and to develop conservative political and social views about life.  But that upbringing did not have enough impact to actually make me a moral person.  That, of course, didn't happen until I was born again.  I actually think Jay Leno could be led to Christ. 

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« Reply #30 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 07:34:13 »
Man (with the devil's encouragement) has already taken God out of many areas--along with the Bible and prayer. Much of this country does NOT trust in God and wants nothing to do with Him. Many who claim to be Christians have no idea what it means to be born again by the blood of Jesus Christ--the ONLY Mediator between us and the Father. Without the Son of God there is no hope, and yet His name has been reduced to being used as cuss words.

All you've said is true. But God won't be mocked. The wicked think they can get away with cursing His name and making fun of Him, but they will end up getting a very rude awakening!

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« Reply #31 on: Mon Dec 26, 2011 - 07:35:40 »
Jay Leno often demonstrates a fundamental respect for Christian faith.  He reminds me of myself before I got saved.  My Christian religious upbringing had enough impact on me to be leery of satanic rock music and groups, and to develop conservative political and social views about life.  But that upbringing did not have enough impact to actually make me a moral person.  That, of course, didn't happen until I was born again.  I actually think Jay Leno could be led to Christ. 

I like what you've said here. It proves that God's law is written on our hearts even when we were unsaved and it also proves that nothing except becoming born again and the power of Jesus can truely change us.
Maybe you should pray for Jay - sometimes I think God puts people on our hearts like that.

 

     
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