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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #35 on: Thu May 07, 2009 - 07:35:17 »
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.


That's one of the coolest-looking baptistries I've ever seen! Sure beats our moldy, stagnant, cold hold in the wall with a really bad painting behind it. LOL

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Re: "denominational baptism"
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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #37 on: Thu May 07, 2009 - 07:42:25 »
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.


That's one of the coolest-looking baptistries I've ever seen! Sure beats our moldy, stagnant, cold hold in the wall with a really bad painting behind it. LOL


We don't have a painting, but I know what you mean.  We've visited the Woodmont Hills Family of God (a coc) in Nashville and they have a nice baptistry with moving water and all.  It's out in the open out in a large foyer.

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #38 on: Thu May 07, 2009 - 08:05:27 »
I've been told Grace Church in Little Rock has a fountain in the lobby and they baptize there. Never have heard if you get to keep any change you scoop up while being dunked.  ::whistle::

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #39 on: Thu May 07, 2009 - 08:09:42 »
I've been told Grace Church in Little Rock has a fountain in the lobby and they baptize there. Never have heard if you get to keep any change you scoop up while being dunked.  ::whistle::

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I can hear it now:  "I was baptized today.  Then they rolled me!"

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #40 on: Tue May 12, 2009 - 17:29:14 »
Our friend's son was baptized by immersion as part of his confirmation at the local Catholic church. Apparently it is a bit of a mini-trend that isn't encouraged by the local bishop but so far has been tolerated.

With all due respect, it is not "tolerated", it has been the long and consistent practice of the Catholic Church to baptise with "immersion" when practicable.  That it is not common in all parishes is attributable to the fact that it became problematic to build and maintain a baptism pool in every parish.  Many european churches have always had the "Baptistery" as a separate building from the actual church, and it is often quite grand.  We do not think that it is absolutely necessary, especially in smaller parishes in which just the pouring of water is sufficient.  The current trend I suspect is an acknowledgment of the more correct practice of our Eastern brothers in this respect.

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« Reply #41 on: Tue May 12, 2009 - 17:56:56 »
Interesting.

That's something you just don't hear in my circles.

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #42 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 12:12:45 »
Some cults do baptize into their denomination, i.e. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, etc.

You may include in your list some main stream denominations also such as: the Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist.

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« Reply #43 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 14:12:27 »
I've also heard of this bunch called the Church of Christ where some of the churches won't accept you unless you were baptized in one of their churches.  Shocking.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 16:48:08 »
I've also heard of this bunch called the Church of Christ where some of the churches won't accept you unless you were baptized in one of their churches.  Shocking.

Not necessarily their own churches, but according to the biblical teaching

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« Reply #45 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 18:52:02 »
What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

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« Reply #46 on: Sat May 23, 2009 - 08:01:43 »
What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

The coC accepts any baptism that is done biblically while no denominations baptize this way and therefore are unacceptable, it is conceivable to be baptized outside the coC in a biblical manner and be accepted into the congregation.

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« Reply #47 on: Sat May 23, 2009 - 08:33:08 »
So when you name the churches, the answer is None.


Which means the Church of Christ doesn't accept baptisms from any other church.

(This is an untrue generalization, btw, but it true for a certain subset of Churches of Christ.)

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« Reply #48 on: Sat May 23, 2009 - 16:03:51 »
What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

We generally don't card folks. If you say you've been baptized, we're cool with that.

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« Reply #49 on: Sat May 23, 2009 - 16:40:53 »
Thus my parenthetical statement above.  Fewer and fewer churches card people these days, but some still do. And many of those that do will insist that all True churches of Christ follow this pattern.

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #50 on: Sat Aug 22, 2009 - 17:32:16 »
I was baptized (or so thay called it) as an infant.

When I began to read the Bible for myself, I saw that all baptizees (is that a word?) were expected to believe and repent on their own.

So when I chose to get baptized as an adult, it wasn't because my previous baptism was done in the wrong church.  It was because my previous rite wasn't a Christian baptism.

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #51 on: Mon Aug 24, 2009 - 10:51:47 »
Most folks are baptized because God said to.  However, that is not good enough for some CoC.

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« Reply #52 on: Tue Aug 25, 2009 - 01:23:23 »
In my case, JohnB, I got baptized because I had a personal conviction about it. 

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« Reply #53 on: Tue Aug 25, 2009 - 06:08:01 »
In my case, JohnB, I got baptized because I had a personal conviction about it. 

Yes and you should! 
 However, there are those who would contend that  if the words in the name of the father, the Son and the HS for the remission of sins were not said then it was not valid. 

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« Reply #54 on: Tue Aug 25, 2009 - 11:26:16 »
If you believe that baptism is a punched ticket on the Joy Bus to heaven, and you don't have to understand what you were doing then we call that baptismal regeneration.

If you grasp that Church is a school of the Bible and that people who believe are discipled by baptism and a life of teaching what Jesus taught or commanded to be taught then it is important to know what you are doing.  If we say that little Aaron didn't grasp vocational baptism as an apprentice to Joseph the Master Tentmaker, then he probably wanted to be a shepherd.

"Gittin saved" is one thing but one must wish to become a Disciple of Christ and understand baptism. An apprentice or proselyte had to apply, had to be washed, given new clothing and become part of the Master's family.  The Master is going to reveal his best-kept secrets and he does not want any traitors.

The eunuch had been reading Isaiah and would have fully grasped baptism long before he got to the subject passage.

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
       for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
       and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Paul's unique WORSHIP concept was to SEEK or GIVE attention to the Word.  A Timoty READS the Word publically as ordained for the church in the wilderness, he explains any doctrinal content and he ENCOURAGES everyone to obey that READ PORTION until "the next appoinged hour."

         G1567 ekzēteō ek-zay-teh'-o From G1537 and G2212 ; to search out, that is, (figuratively) investigate,
          crave, demand, (by Hebraism) worship
:—en- (re-) quire, seek after (carefully, diligently).

    G2212 which implies a search for something hidden; and from G1189 , which involves the idea of urgent need); by implication to learn (by casual intelligence):—ask, demand, enquire, understand.

    G1189 deomai deh'-om-ahee Middle voice of G1210 ; to beg (as binding oneself), that is, petition:—beseech, pray (to), make request. Compare G4441 .

THAT IS THE UNIQUE DEFINITION OF A DISCIPLE WHICH IS DISABLED BY SO-CALLED WORSHIP SERVICES AIMED AT DISABLING THE SPIRIT OR MIND.

If a person didn't APPLY to be a DILIGENT DISCIPLE then since they didn't REQUEST A holy spirit or A good conscience BY baptism then they do not HAVE  A holy spirit (personal) to enable reading BLACK text on BROWN paper.

Matt. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
       All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
      baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt. 28:20

      Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
            and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

THAT IS JESUS CHRIST DEFINING, INCLUSIVELY AND THEREFORE EXCLUSIVELY, THE MEANING OF EKKLESIA OR SYNAGOGUE CALLED AN ACADEMIA AS THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS.

Peter and everyone baptized in the NAME (singular) Jesus Christ.  If you do not grasp that you MAY be signing up to be a disciple of the always-pagan triads.  There, you had to do with THREE family members ALWAYS Father, Mother and eternally infant son.  In many TRITHEISTIC churches the Father is a has been, the Son has HAD his dispensation and the DISCIPLING is apparently through a sponge on the side of the head where the Spirit enters by osmosis or something.

THAT IS WHAT PAUL COMMANDED TIMOTHY TO DO

After outlawing the fables and myths of paganism and christianism, Paul commanded Timothy:

1Tim. 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Tim. 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers,
      in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

    Acts 15:21 For Moses
            of old time hath
            in every city them that preach him,
            being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

    Sabbath or Rest means STOP IT: whatever you are doing in the name of "religionism."

1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee,
        which was given thee by prophecy, [Timothy was Old Testament Literate and given further instruction]
        with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
 
1Tim. 4:15 Meditate upon these things;
        give thyself wholly to them;
        that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
         and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
         for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Whatever you do, do it in the NAME of the LORD: Lord parses to Jehovah as Zechariah called the Son or BRANCH Jehovah-Saves.

Believer's Baptism is widely promoted in the changelings Churches of Christ: that is an old pagan gospel.
Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon) with the help of his musical worship team (Musicians in Reve) 18 was called the WASHER.  By driving you into a mystical frenzy they said that they had "led you into the presence of the gods." Apollo was called the WASHER.

Once, you have been WASHED by this charismatic "out of your mind experience" THEN and only then could you be washed with water BECAUSE you had been mentally restructure.  I have read charismatics speak of being "cleansed" by the experience.

The Baptists deny that Acts 2:38 applies to them. Nor was the death of Christ for them. When they have that emoting experience they call believing, after they are indoctrinated and approved then Christ must come and die for THEM or they may become CHRIST and die for their own sins.

Whether we like it or not, we are structured to be SAVED BY BAPTISM as baptismal regeneration, then when we have matured we become CONFIRMED.  That results from rushing to SAVE everyone instead of preparing people to become DISCIPLES: only baptized disciples are called Christians.  So, it is always important to go back to basics as in "This is a BASEBALL" and start over.

If you are a WORSHIP CENTER in the sense of arousing the FLESH then you are not an ekklesia or Academia of Christ and it doesn't matter because the MASTER TEACHER IS NOT HOLDING CLASSES ANYMORE.
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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #55 on: Thu Sep 24, 2009 - 19:43:23 »
Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

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« Reply #56 on: Fri Sep 25, 2009 - 10:40:17 »
Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?

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« Reply #57 on: Fri Sep 25, 2009 - 12:11:06 »
What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

The coC accepts any baptism that is done biblically while no denominations baptize this way and therefore are unacceptable, it is conceivable to be baptized outside the coC in a biblical manner and be accepted into the congregation.




I really would like a great response to "So you believe a person can be taught wrong but baptized right?" in an accusatory tone, clearly indicating that baptism that was not for remission of sins is not baptism.   Even if I point out that they were baptized into Christ and how much human intellect is needed for the grace of God to function.   What is a good response to this that a coc traditionalist would ... accept?

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« Reply #58 on: Fri Sep 25, 2009 - 12:12:32 »
Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?



blitney?  Pinuri? 

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #59 on: Fri Sep 25, 2009 - 12:21:14 »
Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?

Yes, and they broke the mould.  ::lookaround::

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #60 on: Mon Oct 19, 2009 - 13:48:30 »
i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

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« Reply #61 on: Mon Oct 19, 2009 - 13:59:36 »
i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

Or, more specifically, make disciples by baptizing, teaching them, etc.  ::wink::

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« Reply #62 on: Mon Oct 19, 2009 - 14:44:33 »
A question I typically get when confronted with judgemental language concerning noncoc false bretheren is "Can you be taught wrong and baptized right?"  There of course is little effective dialogue following such a statement.

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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #63 on: Mon Oct 19, 2009 - 22:55:20 »
i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

Or, more specifically, make disciples by baptizing, teaching them, etc.  ::wink::


you think it's the beautiful picture there or my reference?

you're picture is beautiful yes, but mine is descriptory....and could be valid if used correctly....


jesus only made disciples..... he didn't baptize...his goal was to reproduce himself and teach his disciples to do the same thing he did to
them..... it's called multiplication and it's pretty effective..maybe the way actually....



?? this is all in question  **only stating what i need to state to you because i'm a learner first

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« Reply #64 on: Fri Oct 30, 2009 - 09:32:43 »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RopHsJl6Ko

This seems to be a phrase made up just to inculcate confusion amongst less knowledgable Christians.

"Well your baptism is just a denominational baptism because it didn't have the proper authority, object, confession and technique. You need to be subject to the Lord's Church."




Jesus asked what the source of John's baptism was, from heaven or from men.  What was the answer?  From heaven, and yet it was later not acceptable when it had run its course (Acts 19).

From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?

They're all from man, invented by those who have rejected what the Bible does teach about the purpose of baptism.

Yes, those are denominational baptisms.

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« Reply #65 on: Sun Nov 01, 2009 - 16:58:27 »
From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?
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Romans 6 sure makes it sound like a symbol of one's salvation.

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« Reply #66 on: Tue Nov 03, 2009 - 07:14:37 »
From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?
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Romans 6 sure makes it sound like a symbol of one's salvation.

No, there's not a single word teaching that it's a symbol of one's salvation.

Instead, we have "baptized into Christ" (6:3), showing that one is outside of Christ andlost before baptism, inside Him and saved after baptism.

One is dead in sin before baptism, buried in those waters, and raised to walk in newness of life (6:4).  Thus, one is born again, born of water and the Spirit, in baptism.

All this occurred that the body of sin might be destroyed (6:6), agreeing with baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38) and being baptized so that sins might be washed away (Acts 22:16), etc.

Isn't it true that it's what the words teach that matters, not what some preconceived notion we come to scripture with?  The first means that we learn from God and the second means the source of our doctrines is man.

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« Reply #67 on: Thu Nov 05, 2009 - 20:56:12 »
Lancelot

So you interpret Roman 6 as one being literally buried with Christ when he is baptized? Is this a miraculous event as in the doctrine of transubstaniation where the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper miraculously become the body and blood of Christ? I have to admit that type of interpretation is closer to the actual wording than interpreting those things as symbols.

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« Reply #68 on: Thu Nov 05, 2009 - 21:30:37 »
I was baptized (or so thay called it) as an infant.

When I began to read the Bible for myself, I saw that all baptizees (is that a word?) were expected to believe and repent on their own.

So when I chose to get baptized as an adult, it wasn't because my previous baptism was done in the wrong church.  It was because my previous rite wasn't a Christian baptism.

So because  many of us   received  our   faith in Jesus in infant baptism . This fellow says were   not  christian .  
 
Shouldlnt we then who were infant baptized   reject the  christianity of any one who is  baptist or believes simular to them ? ::shrug:: I dont know what do you think?



  











 
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Re: "denominational baptism"
« Reply #69 on: Fri Nov 06, 2009 - 17:28:20 »
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So because  many of us   received  our   faith in Jesus in infant baptism . This fellow says were   not  christian .

Are you saying you received faith as an infant? All infants know is "I'm hungry", "I'm sleepy", "I need my diaper changed." How can an infant have faith? Why be baptized if you don't have faith?