"denominational baptism"

[s1n4m1n]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RopHsJl6Ko

This seems to be a phrase made up just to inculcate confusion amongst less knowledgable Christians.

"Well your baptism is just a denominational baptism because it didn't have the proper authority, object, confession and technique. You need to be subject to the Lord's Church."

[Charles Sloan]

Some cults do baptize into their denomination, i.e. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, etc.

[stevehut]

I happen to agree with much of what this man is saying.

According to the Bible, baptism must include:

Belief
Faith
Repentance
Personal decision
Immersion
An expectation of future ongoing commitment

I recently read on the website of the Church of England, that over 80% of the baptisms in their fellowship, are given to non-believers.  Can these possibly be valid baptisms?   

[stevehut]

This seems to be a phrase made up just to inculcate confusion amongst less knowledgable Christians.

 

If these Christians are "less knowledgeable," why would that be?  Could it be that they got baptized without a good understanding of what they were doing and what it meant?  Could it be that their churches didn't do a very good job of teaching them?

Can't blame this guy (or anyone outside your own church) for that.

[Charles Sloan]

I think Ken's big irritation is the speakers use of the Catholic Church as an example.

[DCR]

Ugh.

"Denominational baptism has the authority of that denomination rather than the authority of the Bible."

"There's no Biblical authority whatsoever for denominational baptism."

"Jesus never authorized denominations.  And so, if Jesus never authorized denominations, then how could He have authorized denominational baptism?  It's not possible, is it?"


Seems to largely be a circular strawman argument built on a platform of presuppositions.  C'mon, dude, do you really think anyone believes that the baptism they practice has the authority of their denomination "rather than" the authority of the Bible?  Of course, other than the reference to Catholicism, it's all too vague to even know what he considers to be a "denomination" and what he doesn't.  I speculate that he probably would label any other group outside of his own exclusive affiliation to be a denomination where his group isn't.  Everything else he says follows from that presupposition.



"Jesus never authorized denominations.  And so, if Jesus never authorized denominations, then how could He have authorized denominational baptism?  It's not possible, is it?"

Well, duh, of course.   

[stevehut]

I think Ken's big irritation is the speakers use of the Catholic Church as an example.

With a little research into church history, I believe many Protestants would be shocked to learn that they are themselves more Catholic than they realize.

[s1n4m1n]

Well somebody gets what I was driving at.

[Charles Sloan]

I think Ken's big irritation is the speakers use of the Catholic Church as an example.

With a little research into church history, I believe many Protestants would be shocked to learn that they are themselves more Catholic than they realize.

Sounds like a topic I've seen somewhere...

[kanham]

It would be a good place for a real history lesson.

Baptism's power comes from God and more specifically from the name of Jesus who it is done in, not from a denomination or the Bible but why bother when the original intent of the guy is obvious.

[HRoberson]

Baptism, rightly understood, is a response of a repentant believer. It really doesn't matter that one knows all the intricate doctrinal points concerning the practice, only that one intends to live his life for God.

[Johnb]

At the risk of being called a Budist I agree with HR on this one.

[HRoberson]

 

[ex cathedra]

I happen to agree with much of what this man is saying.

According to the Bible, baptism must include:

Belief
Faith
Repentance
Personal decision
Immersion
An expectation of future ongoing commitment

I recently read on the website of the Church of England, that over 80% of the baptisms in their fellowship, are given to non-believers.  Can these possibly be valid baptisms?  
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hopeful 90 percent  of our baptims in the confessional lutheran church will be  non believers.
our infants . Because there is only one way to heaven!!! faith in Jesus which God in baptism grants to infants..

[ex cathedra]

Ugh.

"Denominational baptism has the authority of that denomination rather than the authority of the Bible."

"There's no Biblical authority whatsoever for denominational baptism."

"Jesus never authorized denominations.  And so, if Jesus never authorized denominations, then how could He have authorized denominational baptism?  It's not possible, is it?"


Seems to largely be a circular strawman argument built on a platform of presuppositions.  C'mon, dude, do you really think anyone believes that the baptism they practice has the authority of their denomination "rather than" the authority of the Bible?  Of course, other than the reference to Catholicism, it's all too vague to even know what he considers to be a "denomination" and what he doesn't.  I speculate that he probably would label any other group outside of his own exclusive affiliation to be a denomination where his group isn't.  Everything else he says follows from that presupposition.



"Jesus never authorized denominations.  And so, if Jesus never authorized denominations, then how could He have authorized denominational baptism?  It's not possible, is it?"

Well, duh, of course.   

Talk about straw men .
Jesus also did not forbid like minded people worshiping together and even forming denominations to pool resources to gether to spread the gospel to help those in need with Gods FORGIVING  gospel message and TO HELP with humanitarian efforts.
IN CHRISTIAN LIBERTY I have the right to worship with like minded christians
are you familar with a christian's  freedom?
things that God has neither forbidden or commanded comes into that relm.