"denominational baptism"

[Lee Freeman]

Baptism, rightly understood, is a response of a repentant believer. It really doesn't matter that one knows all the intricate doctrinal points concerning the practice, only that one intends to live his life for God.

This was the majority position in the Stone-Campbell Movement until the about the 1960s.

In the 1830s, when Dr. John Thgomas began teaching that Baptist baptisms, or any baptism done without the express knowledge of the remission of sins were invalid, Campbell staunchly oppsed Thomas' views. Campbell himself, along with all the adult members of his family, had been baptized by Baptist Elder Matthias Luce without the remission of sins even being mentioned. None of them were ever rebaptized-even after Campbell dioscovered and debated the idea of remission of sins. And in his response to Broaddus, Campbell unequivocally states that there is only one baptism, that one cannot be baptized, then re-baptized for the remission of sins. One  cannot be born into the same kingdom twice. If one was baptized based upon a sincere profesion of faith in Christ, one's immersion was valid. And when push came to shove, he was not willing to say that all unbaptized believers were lost. He held out the possibility that persons mistaking the outward baptism might still possess the inward baptism.

As for "obeying the gospel," this is done when we believe it. Baptism is our faith-response to the gospel but is itself no more a part of the gospel than eating is food.

Pax.

[HRoberson]

Baptism, rightly understood, is a response of a repentant believer. It really doesn't matter that one knows all the intricate doctrinal points concerning the practice, only that one intends to live his life for God.

This was the majority position in the Stone-Campbell Movement until the about the 1960s.

They must have been smart people.

And when push came to shove, he was not willing to say that all unbaptized believers were lost.

Neither am I. Although, I'm probably a bit more progressive than he was.

He held out the possibility that persons mistaking the outward baptism might still possess the inward baptism.

Which is why I don't worry too much about 80-year-old Catholic ladies.

As for "obeying the gospel," this is done when we believe it. Baptism is our faith-response to the gospel but is itself no more a part of the gospel than eating is food.

Yeah; I just wrap them all into one ball, and don't spend a lot of time teasing them apart.

[Mere Nick]

I grew up in a small Methodist congregation.  One of the things that was often said together was the Nicene Creed.  One of the lines from that creed is "I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins".  I also personally know of at least one congregation that baptizes by immersion because I've seen the pictures of it in the newspaper.

Does anyone remember those pictures that boringoldguy put in here a good while back showing regular baptistries for immersion being installed in some Roman Catholic church buildings?

[James.]

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.

[Arkstfan]

Our friend's son was baptized by immersion as part of his confirmation at the local Catholic church. Apparently it is a bit of a mini-trend that isn't encouraged by the local bishop but so far has been tolerated.

[mandalee65]

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.

That's one of the coolest-looking baptistries I've ever seen! Sure beats our moldy, stagnant, cold hold in the wall with a really bad painting behind it. LOL

[Mere Nick]

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.

Cool.  Thanks for the fast response.

[Mere Nick]

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,9427.msg162685.html#msg162685

The website has changed, though, and now the pictures are at:
http://www.jameshundt.com/projects/newbuild/corpuschristi.html#

Click on the middle picture.

That's one of the coolest-looking baptistries I've ever seen! Sure beats our moldy, stagnant, cold hold in the wall with a really bad painting behind it. LOL

We don't have a painting, but I know what you mean.  We've visited the Woodmont Hills Family of God (a coc) in Nashville and they have a nice baptistry with moving water and all.  It's out in the open out in a large foyer.

[Arkstfan]

I've been told Grace Church in Little Rock has a fountain in the lobby and they baptize there. Never have heard if you get to keep any change you scoop up while being dunked. 

[Mere Nick]

I've been told Grace Church in Little Rock has a fountain in the lobby and they baptize there. Never have heard if you get to keep any change you scoop up while being dunked. 

I can hear it now:  "I was baptized today.  Then they rolled me!"

[desertknight]

Our friend's son was baptized by immersion as part of his confirmation at the local Catholic church. Apparently it is a bit of a mini-trend that isn't encouraged by the local bishop but so far has been tolerated.

With all due respect, it is not "tolerated", it has been the long and consistent practice of the Catholic Church to baptise with "immersion" when practicable.  That it is not common in all parishes is attributable to the fact that it became problematic to build and maintain a baptism pool in every parish.  Many european churches have always had the "Baptistery" as a separate building from the actual church, and it is often quite grand.  We do not think that it is absolutely necessary, especially in smaller parishes in which just the pouring of water is sufficient.  The current trend I suspect is an acknowledgment of the more correct practice of our Eastern brothers in this respect.

[marc]

Interesting.

That's something you just don't hear in my circles.

[koscheiman]

Some cults do baptize into their denomination, i.e. Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, etc.

You may include in your list some main stream denominations also such as: the Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist.

[marc]

I've also heard of this bunch called the Church of Christ where some of the churches won't accept you unless you were baptized in one of their churches.  Shocking.

[koscheiman]

I've also heard of this bunch called the Church of Christ where some of the churches won't accept you unless you were baptized in one of their churches.  Shocking.

Not necessarily their own churches, but according to the biblical teaching