"denominational baptism"

[marc]

What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

[koscheiman]

What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

The coC accepts any baptism that is done biblically while no denominations baptize this way and therefore are unacceptable, it is conceivable to be baptized outside the coC in a biblical manner and be accepted into the congregation.

[marc]

So when you name the churches, the answer is None.


Which means the Church of Christ doesn't accept baptisms from any other church.

(This is an untrue generalization, btw, but it true for a certain subset of Churches of Christ.)

[HRoberson]

What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

We generally don't card folks. If you say you've been baptized, we're cool with that.

[marc]

Thus my parenthetical statement above.  Fewer and fewer churches card people these days, but some still do. And many of those that do will insist that all True churches of Christ follow this pattern.

[stevehut]

I was baptized (or so thay called it) as an infant.

When I began to read the Bible for myself, I saw that all baptizees (is that a word?) were expected to believe and repent on their own.

So when I chose to get baptized as an adult, it wasn't because my previous baptism was done in the wrong church.  It was because my previous rite wasn't a Christian baptism.

[Johnb]

Most folks are baptized because God said to.  However, that is not good enough for some CoC.

[stevehut]

In my case, JohnB, I got baptized because I had a personal conviction about it. 

[Johnb]

In my case, JohnB, I got baptized because I had a personal conviction about it. 

Yes and you should! 
 However, there are those who would contend that  if the words in the name of the father, the Son and the HS for the remission of sins were not said then it was not valid. 

[blituri]

If you believe that baptism is a punched ticket on the Joy Bus to heaven, and you don't have to understand what you were doing then we call that baptismal regeneration.

If you grasp that Church is a school of the Bible and that people who believe are discipled by baptism and a life of teaching what Jesus taught or commanded to be taught then it is important to know what you are doing.  If we say that little Aaron didn't grasp vocational baptism as an apprentice to Joseph the Master Tentmaker, then he probably wanted to be a shepherd.

"Gittin saved" is one thing but one must wish to become a Disciple of Christ and understand baptism. An apprentice or proselyte had to apply, had to be washed, given new clothing and become part of the Master's family.  The Master is going to reveal his best-kept secrets and he does not want any traitors.

The eunuch had been reading Isaiah and would have fully grasped baptism long before he got to the subject passage.

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:
       for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
       and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Paul's unique WORSHIP concept was to SEEK or GIVE attention to the Word.  A Timoty READS the Word publically as ordained for the church in the wilderness, he explains any doctrinal content and he ENCOURAGES everyone to obey that READ PORTION until "the next appoinged hour."

         G1567 ekzēteō ek-zay-teh'-o From G1537 and G2212 ; to search out, that is, (figuratively) investigate,
          crave, demand, (by Hebraism) worship:—en- (re-) quire, seek after (carefully, diligently).

    G2212 which implies a search for something hidden; and from G1189 , which involves the idea of urgent need); by implication to learn (by casual intelligence):—ask, demand, enquire, understand.

    G1189 deomai deh'-om-ahee Middle voice of G1210 ; to beg (as binding oneself), that is, petition:—beseech, pray (to), make request. Compare G4441 .

THAT IS THE UNIQUE DEFINITION OF A DISCIPLE WHICH IS DISABLED BY SO-CALLED WORSHIP SERVICES AIMED AT DISABLING THE SPIRIT OR MIND.

If a person didn't APPLY to be a DILIGENT DISCIPLE then since they didn't REQUEST A holy spirit or A good conscience BY baptism then they do not HAVE  A holy spirit (personal) to enable reading BLACK text on BROWN paper.

Matt. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
       All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matt. 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
      baptizing them in the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt. 28:20

      Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
            and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

THAT IS JESUS CHRIST DEFINING, INCLUSIVELY AND THEREFORE EXCLUSIVELY, THE MEANING OF EKKLESIA OR SYNAGOGUE CALLED AN ACADEMIA AS THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS.

Peter and everyone baptized in the NAME (singular) Jesus Christ.  If you do not grasp that you MAY be signing up to be a disciple of the always-pagan triads.  There, you had to do with THREE family members ALWAYS Father, Mother and eternally infant son.  In many TRITHEISTIC churches the Father is a has been, the Son has HAD his dispensation and the DISCIPLING is apparently through a sponge on the side of the head where the Spirit enters by osmosis or something.

THAT IS WHAT PAUL COMMANDED TIMOTHY TO DO

After outlawing the fables and myths of paganism and christianism, Paul commanded Timothy:

1Tim. 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Tim. 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers,
      in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
1Tim. 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to [public] reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

    Acts 15:21 For Moses
            of old time hath
            in every city them that preach him,
            being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

    Sabbath or Rest means STOP IT: whatever you are doing in the name of "religionism."

1Tim. 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee,
        which was given thee by prophecy, [Timothy was Old Testament Literate and given further instruction]
        with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
 
1Tim. 4:15 Meditate upon these things;
        give thyself wholly to them;
        that thy profiting may appear to all.
1Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
         and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
         for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Whatever you do, do it in the NAME of the LORD: Lord parses to Jehovah as Zechariah called the Son or BRANCH Jehovah-Saves.

Believer's Baptism is widely promoted in the changelings Churches of Christ: that is an old pagan gospel.
Apollo (Abaddon, Apollon) with the help of his musical worship team (Musicians in Reve) 18 was called the WASHER.  By driving you into a mystical frenzy they said that they had "led you into the presence of the gods." Apollo was called the WASHER.

Once, you have been WASHED by this charismatic "out of your mind experience" THEN and only then could you be washed with water BECAUSE you had been mentally restructure.  I have read charismatics speak of being "cleansed" by the experience.

The Baptists deny that Acts 2:38 applies to them. Nor was the death of Christ for them. When they have that emoting experience they call believing, after they are indoctrinated and approved then Christ must come and die for THEM or they may become CHRIST and die for their own sins.

Whether we like it or not, we are structured to be SAVED BY BAPTISM as baptismal regeneration, then when we have matured we become CONFIRMED.  That results from rushing to SAVE everyone instead of preparing people to become DISCIPLES: only baptized disciples are called Christians.  So, it is always important to go back to basics as in "This is a BASEBALL" and start over.

If you are a WORSHIP CENTER in the sense of arousing the FLESH then you are not an ekklesia or Academia of Christ and it doesn't matter because the MASTER TEACHER IS NOT HOLDING CLASSES ANYMORE.

[Johnb]

Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

[Snargles]

Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?

[zoonance]

What are the other churches whose baptism they accept?  Please give me specifics, because I've asked this question before, but the churches always remain unnamed.

The coC accepts any baptism that is done biblically while no denominations baptize this way and therefore are unacceptable, it is conceivable to be baptized outside the coC in a biblical manner and be accepted into the congregation.

I really would like a great response to "So you believe a person can be taught wrong but baptized right?" in an accusatory tone, clearly indicating that baptism that was not for remission of sins is not baptism.   Even if I point out that they were baptized into Christ and how much human intellect is needed for the grace of God to function.   What is a good response to this that a coc traditionalist would ... accept?

[zoonance]

Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?

blitney?  Pinuri? 

[Jaime]

Blituri
If you would just state what you believe and think without having to quote every post from piney you might actually have an intelligent discussion instead of posting monologues that no one reads.

Aren't blituri and Piney the same person?

Yes, and they broke the mould.