"denominational baptism"

[l.a.providence]

i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

[DCR]

i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

Or, more specifically, make disciples by baptizing, teaching them, etc. 

[zoonance]

A question I typically get when confronted with judgemental language concerning noncoc false bretheren is "Can you be taught wrong and baptized right?"  There of course is little effective dialogue following such a statement.

[l.a.providence]

i've heard preaching that says similar things that this guy did....

what i do agree is that the great commission is for us to make disciples then baptize them...

Or, more specifically, make disciples by baptizing, teaching them, etc. 

you think it's the beautiful picture there or my reference?

you're picture is beautiful yes, but mine is descriptory....and could be valid if used correctly....


jesus only made disciples..... he didn't baptize...his goal was to reproduce himself and teach his disciples to do the same thing he did to
them..... it's called multiplication and it's pretty effective..maybe the way actually....



?? this is all in question  **only stating what i need to state to you because i'm a learner first

[lancelot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RopHsJl6Ko

This seems to be a phrase made up just to inculcate confusion amongst less knowledgable Christians.

"Well your baptism is just a denominational baptism because it didn't have the proper authority, object, confession and technique. You need to be subject to the Lord's Church."

Jesus asked what the source of John's baptism was, from heaven or from men.  What was the answer?  From heaven, and yet it was later not acceptable when it had run its course (Acts 19).

From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?

They're all from man, invented by those who have rejected what the Bible does teach about the purpose of baptism.

Yes, those are denominational baptisms.

Lancelot

[Norton]

From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?
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Romans 6 sure makes it sound like a symbol of one's salvation.

[lancelot]

From what source is a baptism as a public confession of one's faith?
A baptism that is is an outward sign of an inward work of grace already accomplished?
A baptism that is a symbol of one's salvation?
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Romans 6 sure makes it sound like a symbol of one's salvation.

No, there's not a single word teaching that it's a symbol of one's salvation.

Instead, we have "baptized into Christ" (6:3), showing that one is outside of Christ andlost before baptism, inside Him and saved after baptism.

One is dead in sin before baptism, buried in those waters, and raised to walk in newness of life (6:4).  Thus, one is born again, born of water and the Spirit, in baptism.

All this occurred that the body of sin might be destroyed (6:6), agreeing with baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38) and being baptized so that sins might be washed away (Acts 22:16), etc.

Isn't it true that it's what the words teach that matters, not what some preconceived notion we come to scripture with?  The first means that we learn from God and the second means the source of our doctrines is man.

Lancelot

[Norton]

Lancelot

So you interpret Roman 6 as one being literally buried with Christ when he is baptized? Is this a miraculous event as in the doctrine of transubstaniation where the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper miraculously become the body and blood of Christ? I have to admit that type of interpretation is closer to the actual wording than interpreting those things as symbols.

[ex cathedra]

I was baptized (or so thay called it) as an infant.

When I began to read the Bible for myself, I saw that all baptizees (is that a word?) were expected to believe and repent on their own.

So when I chose to get baptized as an adult, it wasn't because my previous baptism was done in the wrong church.  It was because my previous rite wasn't a Christian baptism.

So because  many of us   received  our   faith in Jesus in infant baptism . This fellow says were   not  christian .  
 
Shouldlnt we then who were infant baptized   reject the  christianity of any one who is  baptist or believes simular to them ? I dont know what do you think?



  











 

[Snargles]

So because  many of us   received  our   faith in Jesus in infant baptism . This fellow says were   not  christian .

Are you saying you received faith as an infant? All infants know is "I'm hungry", "I'm sleepy", "I need my diaper changed." How can an infant have faith? Why be baptized if you don't have faith?

[banished]

Sacrament

But faith needs the community of believers. It is only within the faith of the Church that each of the faithful can believe. The faith required for Baptism is not a perfect and mature faith, but a beginning that is called to develop.

For all the baptized, children or adults, faith must grow after Baptism. For this reason the Church celebrates each year at the Easter Vigil the renewal of baptismal promises. Preparation for Baptism leads only to the threshold of new life. Baptism is the source of that new life in Christ from which the entire Christian life springs forth.

[zoonance]

So because  many of us   received  our   faith in Jesus in infant baptism . This fellow says were   not  christian .

Are you saying you received faith as an infant? All infants know is "I'm hungry", "I'm sleepy", "I need my diaper changed." How can an infant have faith? Why be baptized if you don't have faith?

That sounds just like me now.