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restoration movement?
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First time posting here, hey

Can anyone tell me why the restoration movement, and what the restoration movement is about?

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« Reply #1 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 16:27:20 »
Welcome!

Here's a wiki article on it:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoration_Movement.

To sum it up, it was a movement that began in the early 1800s as a plea for Christian unity as well as a restoration of the beliefs and practices of the New Testament Church, as those in the movement attempted to interpret from the Bible.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 17:11:30 »
Hi DP,

I wouldn't trust wiki for some histories, it is too open to editing.

The poster on these boards known as Blituri is a pretty good example of the restoration movement and has a good knowledge of its history. You can read some of his posts or PM him, I'm sure he would help you out.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 17:55:32 »
...or not.  Not to insult Blituri, but he's not typical of any church I've ever seen.  There are more reliable sources. 

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 17:58:07 »

DCR thanks for the ref.

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 I do agree on wiki but if nothing else, it does a world view, which can be informative. I will have to look for some of Blituri’s posting. Thanks

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 18:00:29 »
Look for Lee Freeman's posts... his scholarship is pretty impressive.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon Apr 13, 2009 - 18:04:13 »

DCR thanks for the ref.

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 I do agree on wiki but if nothing else, it does a world view, which can be informative. I will have to look for some of Blituri’s posting. Thanks

The recommendation of Blituri wasn't a serious one, but you'll figure that out.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Apr 14, 2009 - 10:42:56 »
I read the “Last Will and Testament of The Springfield Presbytery

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Apr 14, 2009 - 13:37:34 »
Yep.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Apr 14, 2009 - 17:05:38 »
One of the things about the RM that should be noted is that the apostle Paul prophetically foretold of the great departure from the truth of God that would infiltrate the church of our Lord. This apostasy is believed to be proven through a careful examination of history of the Roman Catholic Church, later the churches of the Protestant Reformation, and even later the many, many denominations that now exist under the canopy of modern day Christianity. One of the major themes of the RM was the desire to acheive unity (as was prayed for by Christ in the garden) among the different churches by encouraging everyone to believe and practice the same things....and ONLY the things as outlined in the Bible.

This idea was not new as it had started with many believers in Christ over the period of time since that original apostasy by the church. Luther was instrumental in making the concept known on a popular level, but it would be many others who would later follow to make the RM a worthwhile approach to church unity. However, let me say this....with good intentions comes many problems. The very unity that has been sought by the RM followers has often been unrealized because there is still much disagreement among believers as to what is actually said in the inspired word of God. The concept of believing and practicing only what the bible teaches has become blurred by many misunderstandings of the Bible and certainly much dogma that uses strict interpretations like "silence of the Scripture" to bind certain beliefs upon others. At any rate, while the the RM has not acheived its desired unity completely as of yet, the idea behind it still remains as valid in the eyes of the many believers that are involved with it.

Hope this helps a little.  Blessings to all.   ::smile::

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Apr 14, 2009 - 19:34:18 »
Thanks for the replies

It seems that the problem might be that it is man’s nature when he perceives some thing as good he builds a roof over it and begins to organize and control it. And from there on out begins the service of things created, and thing wanted, rather then service to the Creator. Therefore it becomes his to have, and control and in many cases they think to magistrate (To play the master)  the Kingdom of God. And those who know this should not be so, begin to look else where.

But the Kingdom of God has no need for a roof, as far as I know.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Apr 14, 2009 - 21:58:38 »
Thanks for the replies

It seems that the problem might be that it is man’s nature when he perceives some thing as good he builds a roof over it and begins to organize and control it. And from there on out begins the service of things created, and thing wanted, rather then service to the Creator. Therefore it becomes his to have, and control and in many cases they think to magistrate (To play the master)  the Kingdom of God. And those who know this should not be so, begin to look else where.

But the Kingdom of God has no need for a roof, as far as I know.


That's a pretty good assessment of the situation.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Apr 15, 2009 - 10:09:24 »
Then I submit to you, my blessed friends in Christ Jesus (if it please you to consider) that it is not impossible to find unity in the Faith. And that if not only proposed correctly, but definitively, in a fashion where as if one deny the Truth of the matter, one would have to deny the Faith.

And I believe the first step in this direction is first we must ask ourselves; do I have the right to judge my Faith?

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Apr 15, 2009 - 10:35:29 »
That which occurs after a period of constipation?   


(Hmmm.  There may be a sermon in that...)

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Apr 16, 2009 - 15:21:03 »
The Stone-Campbell Reformation, called "the Reformation" or the "current Reformation," by its founders, Barton Warren Stone, and father and son Thomas and Alexander Campbell, was a 19th century Christian reform and unity movement which was formed when two reform/unity groups, Barton Stone's Christians and the Campbells' Disciples, officially united in 1832. The leaders saw themselves as furthering the reforms of Luther, Calvin and Wesley, which, while laudable, simply hadn't gone far enough.  Stone and the elder Campbell willingly conceded leadership of the movement to Alexander Campbell, who originally advocated a restoration of "the ancient order" of the NT Church as a catalyst for unity, which in turn would serve as a catalyst for the coming of the millennial reign of Christ, but Campbell later abandoned restoration as a means to unity in favor of a broader "catholic" (universal) unity upon the seven "ones" of Ephesians 4. Campbell's goal was to unite true believers from among all the sects upon the basic, core, fundamental teachings of the NT. The term  "restoration movement" wasn't used until about 1914 or so. Scholars usually refer to it as the "Stone-Campbell Movement."

One of their mottoes was "In matters of faith, unity; in matters of opinion, liberty; in all things, charity." Another motto was "Christians only, not the only Christians." A third was, "Where the scriptures speak, we speak, where the scriptures are silent, we are silent."

Sadly, this Christian unity and reform movement has divided numerous times and exists today as the Disciples of Christ, the Christian Church, and the Church of Christ.

See my "Who are the Churches of Christ" for a brief overview of the Stone-Campbell Movement.

If you're really interested, try Dr. Hans Rollmann's Restoration Movement" website:

http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/restmov.html

Esp. see Dr. Robert Richardson's The Principles and Aims of the Religious Reformation Urged by A. Campbell and Others, Briefly Stated and Explained.

Pax.

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Re: restoration movement?
« Reply #16 on: Mon Apr 20, 2009 - 12:43:12 »

Lee

thanks for the info was a way from the computer for a few days.

I believe the true unity is fully expressed in the 17th Chapter of the Gospel according to John.



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« Reply #17 on: Fri May 22, 2009 - 17:24:17 »
John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are OF THEE

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the WORDS which thou gavest me;
        and they have received them,
        nd have known surely that I came out from thee,
        and they have BELIEVED that thou didst send me.

Isaiah 55 defines the WORD as free and Isaiah 58 outlaws "seeking your own pleasure or speaking YOUR OWN WORDS." Jesus identified the sons of the Devil by saying THEY SPEAK ON THEIR OWN.  You don't get private opinions unless you think that your songs and sermons are superior to those of the Spirit of Christ.

John 17:9 I pray for THEM: I pray not for the world,
        but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

John 17 clearly defines how everyone can SPEAK THE SAME THINGS: In the NEVER musical passages such as Romans 15 the direct command as always is to SPEAK that which is written.  After limiting all of the doubtful disputations in the marketplace where the DIET sects might judge one another, Paul also outlawed SELF pleasure which would exclude all of the performance arts and crafts. The Greek Ariskos also makes it unlawful for the collected group to "reach a conclusion about what they would ADD to what paul called the SYNAGOGUE."  In neither the ekklesia or synagogue could anyone originate what was to be discussed and both outlawed all of the performing or hypocritic arts: rhetoricians occasionally slipped through but usually got hurt.

Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification. [education]
Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Rom. 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
Rom. 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom. 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.


John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee.
         Holy Father, keep through thine OWN NAME
         those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world,
         I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept,
         and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition;
         that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 17:13 And now COME I TO THEE;
         and these things I SPEAK in the world,
         that they might have my joy FULFILLED in themselves.

John 17:14 I have given them
         THY WORD; and
         the world hath HATETH them,
         because they are not of the world,
         even as I am not of the world.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest
        take them out of the world,
        but that thou shouldest KEEP them from the EVIL.

John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:17 SANCTIFY them
        through THY TRUTH:
        thy WORD is TRUTH.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone,
        but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

The CHAIN is Father (Mind of God), spirit or breath and the Word articulated AS the Son. You CANNOT create DISUNITY if you follow the absolute PATTERNISM defined in dozens of places.

Peter declared that the Apostles (as had the Prophets) had the Words of Christ validated by the Father within and they were NOT subject to private interpretation which means FURTHER EXPOUNDING.  The synagogue and the command to Timothy about how to hold "synagogue" was limited to READING the Word, defining any doctrine in THAT systematically READ word and to admonishing one another to keep it.  By direct commands, examples, necessary inferences and common decency you don't LUST to cut up the Words of God so you can put more POWER in them. That defines the Pharisees and Scribes Jesus defined as hypocrites by naming rhetoricians, singers and instrument players.  UNITY is really simple for BELIEVERS.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art IN me, and I IN thee,   
        that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

The Father THOUGHT, the spirit or BREATH sent out the invisible power and the SON spoke as the SON.  The SON nor SPIRIT had any words to speak and therefore THEY had no private opinion even as out BREATH and WORD can only speak what the MIND says.  Jesus said my WORDS are SPIRIT and life. Therefore, the only way to be UNITED as a human body is united (1 Cor 2) is to let the MIND of God supply all of the WORDS and this is the only way to SPEAK THE SAME THINGS.

That defines what John Calvin called his RESTORATION MOVEMENT and what the Campbells continued in all faithful groups.  The Campbells defined Church as did Christ, Paul and as the historic church practiced as A SCHOOL OF CHRIST.  Worship, as defined by Christ for the church in the wilderness, exampled and commanded by the word EKKLESIA was to the Campbells "READING and musing the Word." Moses was PREACHED by being READ.  Jesus is preached by being SPOKEN as there is no musical content to the commanded psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.

That would restrict doubtful disputations or PRIVATE OPINIONS to the Marketplace where Jesus consigned the Pipers, singers and dancers. The whole community could meet as a school of the Bible with the Lord's Supper defined as an EVANGELISM act.

The thesis of the Campbells was well underway in England and Scotland and for 1800 years in places: RESTORATION simply meant to STRIP OFF everything NOT required to be a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE.  Originally the RM defined away preachers (as a fungus says Hardeman), the Law of Singing and the Law of Giving.  You can instantly PLANT the original SEED and get the PATTERN defined by Christ which permitted ONLY a School of His Word to which He added the Lord's Supper which has the meaning of EVANGELISM as it teaches the DEATH of Christ.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Oct 21, 2009 - 13:22:54 »
These are good sources for information concerning the Restoration Movement.  I own many of these books myself.  What I have found are that there are three categories of books on the Campbells and the Movement.  Some are blatantly anti-Campbell; some are over-the-top pro-Campbell and refuse to acknowledge changes in what Alexander Campbell taught over the years (the famous Lunenburg Letter is evidence that he changed); and some sources are purely historical and just report the facts.  Conklin's books are good in that way. 



The Christadelphians in North America, by Charles H. Lippy

Campbellism Examined & Reexamined, by Jeremiah P. Jeter

Cane Ridge:  America’s Pentecost, by Paul K. Conklin

American Originals: Homemade Varieties of Christianity, by Paul K. Conklin

A Religious History of the American People, by Sydney E. Ahlstrom  (this book is widely used in seminaries all over the world – a man I know had a seminary class in England where the professor used this as the basis text)

Christians Only:  A History of the Restoration Movement, by James D. Murch

In Search of Christian Unity:  A History of the Restoration Movement, by Henry E. Webb

Union in Truth: An Interpretive History of the Restoration Movement, by James B. North

A Distinct History of the Churches of Christ in the Twentieth Century, by Robert E. Hooper

The Search for the Ancient Order, Four Volumes, by Earl I. West

Reviving the Ancient Faith:  The Story of the Churches of Christ in America, by Richard T. Hughes

The Restoration Movement, by Bob L. Ross

Campbellism:  Iti’s History and Heresies, by Bob L. Ross

Acts 2:38 and Baptismal Remission, By Bob L. Ross

The Perfect Law of Liberty: Elias Smith and the Providential Histry of America,
by Michael G. Kenny

Restoration Roots, by Lynne A. McMillon

The Life of James O’Kelly and the Early History of the Christian Church in the South,
by Wilbur E. MacClenny

A History of the Christian Church in the South, by Durward T. Stokes and William T. Scott

Quest for a Christian America, David E. Harrell, Jr.

The Social Sources of Division in the Disciples of Christ, 1865-1900, by David E. Harrell, Jr.

The Disciples of Christ:  A History, by Winfred E. Garrison and Albert T. DeGroot

Journey of Faith:  A History of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), by Lester G. McAllister and William E. Tucker

The Stone-Campbell Movement: An Anecdotal History of Three Churches, by Leroy Garrett

Churches of Christ Libraries and Bible Colleges, Church of Christ Colleges and Universities

Disciples of Christ Libraries and Bible Colleges

Christian Church Libraries and Bible Colleges, Christian Colleges and  Universities

Piney.Org (Good source for reprints of letters by the founders, A. Campbell, B. Stone and Walter Scott, plus articles and sermons by McGarvey.

Internet searches of the Founders, Restoration Movement, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, Christian Church, J.W. McGarvey, etc.

 

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Oct 21, 2009 - 13:26:29 »
Another poster referred to the "ancient order" as being original to Alexander Campbell.  I have not found that to be the case.  The term was adopted by Campbell but originated with another founder of this movement, Walter Scott.  Scott insistted that "baptism for the remission of sins" was no longer being practised (early 19th century) and he felt that the "ancient order" which had practised this should be restored. 

 

     
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