Instrumental Music in Worship

[marc]

Show me the NT verse that forbids human sacrifice in worship first.  It ain't there.  So if you use IM, you might as well offer human sacrifices.

That's as good a way as any to avoid answering my request to PROVE that musical instruments are now offensive to God, because you can't do that.

As for animal sacrifices, they ceased when Jesus, the Lamb of God, was sacrificed for our sins. Animal sacrifices (which only provided a TEMPORARY sin covering) were no longer necessary, because a permanent solution was made with the sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb of God.

Still, if you're going to add something fromt he Old Testament just because it isn't expressly forbidden, you may as well add it all.  I would go to the approved example of Jepthah, who offered his daughter as a human sacrifice to God.  This was in the book of Judges, not in the books of the law, so it is every bit as "approved" as anything in Psalms.

I repeat, if you use instruments between the opening and the closing prayer, you may as well offer human sacrifices in worship.

[Johnb]

DCR
I am simply drawing the absurd argument on IM based on English text and a "pattern of worship" to its logical conclusion.  From my study of the scriptures the primary purposes of the assembly was to partake of the LS, fellowship, exhort and make plans to evangelize the world.  While in deed worship to place i was more of an extention of their daily life as follower of Christ.  It is noy a play on words or semantics.  What is known as cooprate worship today is an invention of men.   A study of greek phrases and words describing "singing "make it highly unlikely that the NT was condeming IM by silence.  It makes even less sense seeing that God commanded his people in the OT to use IM and that there will be IM in heaven and the calling of the final judgement will be like a trumpet of the Lord.  If a congregation or group decide not to use IM I see no problem.  It is when this is used a a test of fellowship or faithfulness to God that I see a problem.  
Yes I am saying that even the RCC (as old as its tradition are) is just another invention of man in his attempt to follow Jesus.  

[Johnb]

Marc said

I repeat, if you use instruments between the opening and the closing prayer, you may as well offer human sacrifices in worship.
 
 
 
Where in scripture is the command and or approved example of a "worship service"  complete with an opening and closing prayer.   

Where is the approved example of apointing elders to an official church office? 

Where is the approved example or command for a local "preacher" that tends the flock?

Where is the biblical command or athority for a church collection used to support a building and preaching staff?

These are all carried forth from the OT so why don't you sacrifice animals?

IF IM IS WRONG IT IS WRONG ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE.  NOT JUST BETWEEN 2 PRAYERS.  YOU HAVE NO BIBLICAL BASES FOR THIS CLAIM.

[DCR]

 

[Dennis]

Good catch DCR.

I am having trouble distinguishing those who are engaging in a bit of sarcastic fun and those who are stating their positions seriously.  For that reason, I have not tried to engage in this discussion.  However, some recent posts lead me to comment on the point I usually try to assert in such discussions.  The so-called "law of silence" is and always will be illogical, self contradicting, and un-biblical.

However, please don't let me spoil the fun.

[Bocephus]

Good catch DCR.

I am having trouble distinguishing those who are engaging in a bit of sarcastic fun and those who are stating their positions seriously.  For that reason, I have not tried to engage in this discussion.  However, some recent posts lead me to comment on the point I usually try to assert in such discussions.  The so-called "law of silence" is and always will be illogical, self contradicting, and un-biblical.

However, please don't let me spoil the fun.

Some folks are being sarcastic?  Can you tell by the emoticons?

[Johnb]

Gary said

Some folks are being sarcastic?  Can you tell by the emoticons?

I think Dennis might have been refering to me.  But at least he agrees that the "law of silence" is bunk.     

[marc]

All I see is you using logic that will lead to human sacrifice as part of worship.  Not to mention such other abominations as dancing half-clothed before the Lord, worshipping golden calves, Christmas trees and coffee bars in the building, and praise teams.

[DCR]

I think Dennis might have been refering to me.

Mmm... nope.  Try again. 

[Johnb]

OK.  I did not intend that so glad it wasn't me.

[Johnb]

Marc said

All I see is you using logic that will lead to human sacrifice as part of worship.  Not to mention such other abominations as dancing half-clothed before the Lord, worshipping golden calves, Christmas trees and coffee bars in the building, and praise teams.

Nope both old and NT forbid killing folks.

I am 60 and over weight so I don't think I will be dancing half naked.  But when I get a new hip I do like to dance.

In fact we do put up a Christmas tree in our building around the traditional holiday.  The same NT that tells of His death that we celebrate at the LS also tells of His birth and that seems a good thing to also celebrate.

We don;t have a coffee bar but we do have an expresso machine used by our members  (Even CoC folks last time I checked admitted there is nothing holy about the building).

We don't have a "praise team"  but if you can have a "worship service"  I see no reason not to have a man made "praise team".

Do you really want to get into a debate on pattern theology?

Marc  You really do seem to be a good man I just am amazed at your legalistic religious stand and extreme liberal political views. 

[marc]

But not at all amazed by my deadpan sarcasm?





















 





(a hint might be to compare what I've said here to what I've said on the two other similar threads currently active.     Possibly, the parenthetical statement on my first sarcastic post on this thread might be a hint.  I only got carried away when people started taking me seriously.

As to my extreme political liberalism, the word they use for that in most of the country is mainstream.  I voted for GWB twice, even.)

[Johnb]

OK marc
You got me good.

[Dennis]

Gary said

Some folks are being sarcastic?  Can you tell by the emoticons?

I think Dennis might have been refering to me.  But at least he agrees that the "law of silence" is bunk.    

Actually you are the one I was not sure about.

[Johnb]

Dennis
Me sarcastic?  no never
Always good to hear from you my brother.