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What about "rescue The Movement" thoughts?
« on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 15:55:23 »
Anybody seen or heard of this yet?

http://www.rescuethemovement.com

you should be able to read the manifesto....I was able to go into the site last night....A CoC preacher has started this.

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What about "rescue The Movement" thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 15:58:49 »
I can't really tell what it is from what I'm allowed to see without signing in (by invitation only).

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« Reply #2 on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 16:13:57 »
Well, I found a 51-page pdf Manifesto, but I'm still not sure what I'm looking at, possibly because I need to print it out to read it thoroughly.
« Last Edit: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 17:38:17 by marc »

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 17:08:45 »
 ::smile::

you know, I briefly scanned the site in about 5-10 minutes; sensory overload nearly.

1st impression - sincere, sensitive, spiritual cambellites looking for the way.

one can miss the way while laboring to stick to the path.

emphasis on real, road-meeting-rubber, discipleship, it seems to me.

will have to go back and visit some more.

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« Reply #4 on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 17:10:53 »
I noticed too that the manifesto didn't refer to any of our history, it didn't refer to the principles of the founders or explain how we got off course from those principles, which I would've expected it to do.  It also didn't mention any of our positive history-at least not that I saw.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue Sep 09, 2008 - 17:21:54 »
I used to be more concerned about "our" movement and "our" future.  Then, I realized that my concern was far too limited.  I was thinking too "small."

Christianity is far bigger than just the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement... though the RM does seem to be a microcosm of greater Christianity in terms of its schisms and the like.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Sep 10, 2008 - 08:20:46 »
I noticed too that the manifesto didn't refer to any of our history, it didn't refer to the principles of the founders or explain how we got off course from those principles, which I would've expected it to do.  It also didn't mention any of our positive history-at least not that I saw.

Pax.

Lee, you should suggest that to them....one of the guys doing this is a related to a sister in our small group....from what I understand this is a sincere effort to prompt some changes.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 18:46:55 »
I just skimmed through it and as an outsider, I liked what I saw.

The writers are looking for positive ways to move forward. 
 
If I were looking for a new congregation, I'd be interested.


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« Reply #8 on: Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 19:48:40 »
I noticed too that the manifesto didn't refer to any of our history, it didn't refer to the principles of the founders or explain how we got off course from those principles, which I would've expected it to do.  It also didn't mention any of our positive history-at least not that I saw.

Pax.

Wasn't there one founder - Jesus Christ??

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« Reply #9 on: Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 20:56:06 »
Yes, and he just dropped the Church of Christ straight down from Heaven in 33 AD exactly as it is now.

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« Reply #10 on: Thu Sep 11, 2008 - 21:12:05 »
I noticed too that the manifesto didn't refer to any of our history, it didn't refer to the principles of the founders or explain how we got off course from those principles, which I would've expected it to do.  It also didn't mention any of our positive history-at least not that I saw.

Pax.

Wasn't there one founder - Jesus Christ??

You are thinking of the one true remnant church, The Bible Church aka School of the Bible.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Sep 15, 2008 - 14:42:00 »
Thanks for sharing that. It is something I may follow. As one who has left I understand their desires. It gets a little wordy at times so I would worry that people may not finish reading. Again thanks.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu Sep 18, 2008 - 15:52:51 »
Thanks for sharing that. It is something I may follow. As one who has left I understand their desires. It gets a little wordy at times so I would worry that people may not finish reading. Again thanks.

Please share your insight with them, I am sure they would appreaciate what you said here.....I think your right it needs to be shortened a little. as the line from one of my favorite movies, Amadeus states, "to many notes"

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Sep 19, 2008 - 11:46:36 »
To: noteofmyown

Thank you for finding, "RescuertheMovement."
This is exciting!
They admiit something is wrong, and they know not what.
This is the attitude all shoud have today.
I am a Restoration Movement historian, and the churches today believe nothing believed in the 1800s.

Armstrong's Disciples denied Jesus was God in the flesh.
When he died, the new CEO wrote a book of apology.

"Things are looking up!"

There is now hope for men today.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Sep 19, 2008 - 13:35:56 »
I am a Restoration Movement historian, and the churches today believe nothing believed in the 1800s.

Armstrong's Disciples denied Jesus was God in the flesh.
When he died, the new CEO wrote a book of apology.

Armstrong?  Are you referring to Herbert Armstrong... as in the Worldwide Church of God?

The "Restoration Movement" being discussed here has nothing to do with that.  There may be some confusion here.  Or, maybe the confusion is on my part.

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« Reply #15 on: Fri Sep 19, 2008 - 17:01:38 »
To: DCR

My point was that both RescuetheMovement and Armstrong Disciples had admitted, publicly, that they were in the wrong.

We need more people like ths today.

They were both "seeking", which is God's will.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun Sep 21, 2008 - 00:29:56 »
The situation described in the Manifesto is probably applicable to most Christian fellowships of the world today.  I couldn't agree more.

I disagree with Freeman on one small matter: History is important, yes, but no amount of noble heritage can compensate for a present-day lukewarmness.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Sep 22, 2008 - 22:53:59 »
Thanks for sharing that. It is something I may follow. As one who has left I understand their desires. It gets a little wordy at times so I would worry that people may not finish reading. Again thanks.

Please share your insight with them, I am sure they would appreaciate what you said here.....I think your right it needs to be shortened a little. as the line from one of my favorite movies, Amadeus states, "to many notes"

I'm not sure how to contact them without actually signing up and while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".

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« Reply #18 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 10:04:47 »
Thanks for sharing that. It is something I may follow. As one who has left I understand their desires. It gets a little wordy at times so I would worry that people may not finish reading. Again thanks.

Please share your insight with them, I am sure they would appreaciate what you said here.....I think your right it needs to be shortened a little. as the line from one of my favorite movies, Amadeus states, "to many notes"

I'm not sure how to contact them without actually signing up and while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".
I found the same problem.  I wanted to make some comments, but could find no way to contact them without signing up.  I have never been part of the movement, so I'm not eligible to join.  (I have recruited a few members for them, but have noticed there seems to be some hesitancy by members to join in and participate.)

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« Reply #19 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 11:42:31 »
while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".

Sounds like a contradiction in terms there.

You see a house on fire, yet feel no urgency to save the people inside?   ::lookaround::

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« Reply #20 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 12:13:22 »
while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".

Sounds like a contradiction in terms there.

You see a house on fire, yet feel no urgency to save the people inside?   ::lookaround::

I think the issue may be closer to an analogy of...

You see a house on fire, but you're more interested in putting out the fire and saving the structure than you are saving the people inside.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 12:37:13 »
Maybe the RM has wandered so far off course that it's not worth rescuing. 
Maybe there needs to be a new movement in the church getting us back to what the NT and the teachings of Jesus are all about. 
Leave the baggage behind and start over.  (Just a thought)

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« Reply #22 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 12:38:19 »
Maybe the RM has wandered so far off course that it's not worth rescuing. 
Maybe there needs to be a new movement in the church getting us back to what the NT and the teachings of Jesus are all about. 
Leave the baggage behind and start over.  (Just a thought)

The remnant church, the School of the Bible (Bible Church) is the called out church of God.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 13:18:47 »
Okay, that settles it.  We should all go to Gary's church.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 13:23:27 »
The remnant church, the School of the Bible (Bible Church) is the called out church of God.

You wouldn't be promoting CIRCE here would you?  ::pondering::

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« Reply #25 on: Tue Sep 23, 2008 - 15:36:35 »
Maybe the RM has wandered so far off course that it's not worth rescuing. 
Maybe there needs to be a new movement in the church getting us back to what the NT and the teachings of Jesus are all about. 
Leave the baggage behind and start over.  (Just a thought)

I think that is what Stone and the Campbels, John Wesley,Martin Luther and many others tried.  Just leads to legalismand more division.  Why not just serve Christ and fellowship all His children?

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Sep 24, 2008 - 00:41:20 »
I just took a closer look at the manifesto....

It calls for a high level of accountability between congregations, which I think is a wonderful idea.

But doesn't this fly in the face of the traditional autonomy?   ???

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 - 10:11:11 »
Steve, it seems to me that Acts 15 flies in the face of our traditional ideas of congregational autonomy. There we have the Jerusalem church stepping in to prevent heresy in the Antiochene churches. Not only that, but one elder, James seems to serve as spokesman for the group and makes the final decision that Paul and co. take back to Antioch.

I see the NT churches as more of a network of churches than several fiercely independent isalnds that have no contact with each other.

How many times have I seen CoCs withdraw fellowship from a church, when the truth is they never had any fellowship with that church to begin with. This happened to my church after we had our first assembly with North Wood United Methodist Church. Several area churches of Christ and several from hundreds of miles away, disfellowshipped us, when we'd never even been in fellowship with a one of them.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 - 23:13:09 »
Interesting take there, Freeman.

I, for one, have never believed in local autonomy.  As you mentioned, there is much in the NT to argue against it.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat Sep 27, 2008 - 15:44:51 »
while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".

Sounds like a contradiction in terms there.

You see a house on fire, yet feel no urgency to save the people inside?   ::lookaround::

Steve,

You have created a false dichotomy.

A more accurate anology would be that I see a tree dying in an orchard but I choose to not spend all of my time trying to keep the dying tree alive. I choose to focus my attention on the rest of the orchard because it is very big and many parts are healthy.


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« Reply #30 on: Sat Sep 27, 2008 - 15:47:31 »
while I agree with the issues I have no desire to "rescue the movement".

Sounds like a contradiction in terms there.

You see a house on fire, yet feel no urgency to save the people inside?   ::lookaround::

Even better. I see a world on fire and I think that is more important.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat Sep 27, 2008 - 16:21:54 »
Excellent points.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon Oct 27, 2008 - 17:14:09 »
Is that where we are rescued from man made teaching and interpretation within the protestant realms which has caused over 40k divisions in the Prostestant Christian world?

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« Reply #33 on: Mon Nov 03, 2008 - 13:32:49 »
Does anyone know what has happened to Rescue the Movement? Their web site has been down for a while.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon Nov 03, 2008 - 13:55:41 »
Does anyone know what has happened to Rescue the Movement? Their web site has been down for a while.


Looks like it works to me.  I clicked on the link in the OP, and a site came up.  After clicking "Enter" and so forth, I was led to this main page:

http://rescuethemovement.ning.com/

 

     
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