I am not a follower of John Hagee's doctrine of helping the Jews restore the Temple in Jerusalem so that the Lord can return. I do interpret Romans 11 as saying that a very sizable number of identifiable Jews will flock onto the Kingdom before the Lord returns.
Norton, something to think about is that Romans 11 might have been fulfilled during the first century.
Yes, that is quiet possible, but my hope and expectation is that it has not.
Why would you hope not?
Because I want many more Jews to come into the kingdom, and I hope the full number of Gentiles has not already come in. As I see it, the more the merrier. That could mean that Christ will not come for some time, but if God is giving the world time to repent, that's OK with me.
There we see a problem in the translation that you are using. The NIV has translated the Greek word pleroma
as full number. I think that is a serious error. Other translations such as NASB, ASV, ESV, and the KJV as well as the NKJV translate the word as "fullness" not "full number". A completely different meaning is given to the verse with the erroneous rendering of "full number". That same word, in speaking about the Jews, is used in Rom 11:12. Rom 11:12 Now if their fall, is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
It is variously translated there as "fullness" or "fulfillment" or in the NIV as "full inclusion". Notice in the case of v.12 the Greek "pleroma"
of the Jews is contrasted with their fall or their loss. So then what is the fullness that is spoken of there. I suggest that the meaning is similar or the same as the meaning found in verses such as the following:John 1:16 For of his fulness we all received, and grace for grace.
Rom 15:29 And I know that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of Christ.
Eph 3:19 and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God.
Eph 4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Col 1:19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell;
Col 2:9 for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,
It is very interesting that the NIV in Col 2:10 translates "pleroma"
as follows:Col 2:10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
Nowhere else in the NT is "pleroma"
ever used in a numerical sense and the NIV is wrong to do it in Rom 11:25. They do so under the pressure of their own theological bias, and erroneously so.
In Romans 11:12,25 the word is used in the sense of fullness of salvation as it is in the above passages. Thus the "fullness of the Gentiles" in v.25 is the same usage and meaning as the "fullness" of Isreal in v.12, and is basically the same as the "fullness of Christ" (John 1:26) or the "fullness of the blessing of Christ" (Rom 15:29) or "fullness" to which we have been brought in Christ (Col 2:10. It is salvation that Paul speaks of not numbers of the saved.
Considering that in verse 30-32 Paul says,Rom 11:30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
Rom 11:31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
Rom 11:32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Paul says that they may NOW receive mercy; not thousands of years in the future.