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Title: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: MARTIN on Sat Mar 06, 2010 - 18:09:51
WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???

“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: Amo on Sat Mar 06, 2010 - 21:09:20
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WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???

“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Title: Re:]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???
Post by: JOHNN on Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 21:37:16


 
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If one will not accept the truth, what is left for them but deception?

Amo, You are right, that's exactly how it is.  Many people think that there is
a grey area in between.  But there are none.  When we hear the still small
voice its imperative that we listen and do not "lean unto our own understanding."
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: djconklin on Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 08:11:59
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If one will not accept the truth, what is left for them but deception?

Right!  And I would suggest that if you believe one lie, that it makes it easier to believe the second and if you fall for that it is much easier to believe the third and after you've accepted that one, then there's no hope for recovery--except God, of Course!  It is the truth that shall set you free from sin and error, not lies.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: ex cathedra on Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 18:37:57
i would suggest that a person read the whole chapter . all of 2 Thess 2
SO That you find out who Really does the choosing of you in Christ Jesus .
 our self  will or because of Gods Grace.
i think you will find God saying he choose you not the other way around..



Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: djconklin on Wed Mar 10, 2010 - 19:14:59
You have to accept His call.  Otherwise there'd be no need for the repeated calls to repentance:

KJV Ezekiel 14:6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

KJV Ezekiel 18:30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

KJV Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

KJV Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

KJV Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

etc.

See also:

JV 1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

Why the question if it is all pre-ordained?
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Post by: robert two on Fri Mar 12, 2010 - 18:52:01
 Israel was of two opinions.
They represented GOD Yet hunted down Elijah for talking truth.
They had Baal worship going on.
Today is no different.
If you reject truth then you will get all you want.
 of error.
This can be seen openly. There is plenty of neat error out there.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: blituri on Wed Dec 08, 2010 - 22:03:35
Christ gave us His word in the prophets and prophecies made more perfect by Jesus of Nazareth.
This fulfillment proves that the Word of Jesus is the sole resource for teaching.

The command is to PREACH the Word by READING and then explaining anything required.
No one has the power to judge the Word but only use it for our teaching resource.

If you quibble with that word or hack it to pieces to make up your own message it proves that you don't love the Word or its author.

God has no need to debate: He sends strong delusions that you believe your own lie and be damned.
Lying Wonders are any work made by disciples claiming that they came from God or intend to honor God.

You simply cannot AID God. Some recent notes:

http://www.piney.com/Strong.Delusions.Lying.Wonders.html



Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: djconklin on Thu Dec 09, 2010 - 07:52:33
>If you quibble with that word or hack it to pieces to make up your own message it proves that you don't love the Word or its author.

Well put!
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: robert two on Sat Dec 11, 2010 - 16:48:19
 GOD does not force anyone.
If you want error well help yourself it is that simple.

Israel wanted MEAT to eat so GOD let them have it tho they did not really need any at all.
 Humans are weird the saw animal go in the ARK yet they did not go in.
Humans have choice and do get what they ask for it is that simple.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: robert two on Fri Dec 17, 2010 - 15:02:42
Satand will come to this earth and fool many people.
That is because that o
is what the majority want.
The BIBLE says JESUS will not set foot on this earth when he returns.
Humans just do con care they are easy fooled.

Humans just want the easiest method to succeed. I wonder at talking to people as they know right from wrong yet they are exempt for some reason.
They fail to see that they are wrong. Even if they see they are wrong it never registers to change. Just get it out of the mind real fast.

Like in the Ot the harlot said she HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG.
These people forgive themselves before they start.
They really are exempt some how.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: MARTIN on Fri Dec 17, 2010 - 21:44:51


This statement gives the steps in the process of how the human heart deceives itself, until light and truth is undiscernable.  The ultimate result here is VERY SAD.


"It is not God that blinds the eyes of men or hardens their hearts. He sends them light to correct their errors, and to lead them in safe paths; it is by the rejection of this light that the eyes are blinded and the heart hardened. Often the process is gradual, and almost imperceptible. Light comes to the soul through God's word, through His servants, or by the direct agency of His Spirit; but when one ray of light is disregarded, there is a partial benumbing of the spiritual perceptions, and the second revealing of light is less clearly discerned. So the darkness increases, until it is night in the soul." Desire of Ages, 322  E.G. White


When God sends a messenger to enlighten His people, and they treat the message as insignificant, they can be in the process described in the above statement.


"From time to time divinely appointed messengers of truth were to be raised up to call attention to the meaning of the sacrificial ceremonies, and especially to the promise of Jehovah concerning the advent of the One toward whom all the ordinances of the sacrificial system pointed. Thus the world was to be kept from universal apostasy."  Prophets and Kings, 687 E.G. White

Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: robert two on Sat Dec 18, 2010 - 02:36:57
 Many PEOPLE have tried to get the SDA church back on track but GOD sends People the church are not IMPRESSED with. But Matthew 25:40 still works as it did for Elijah.

JESUS came unto his own and they received him not.
Nothing has changed.

There is no substitute for experience.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: tinker on Sat Dec 18, 2010 - 08:55:23
Many have swallowed the devil's lie hook line and sinker and don't know it and are walking round with head held high and puffing up their chest.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: djconklin on Sat Dec 18, 2010 - 12:40:14
Many have swallowed the devil's lie hook line and sinker and don't know it and are walking round with head held high and puffing up their chest.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
You are quite right.  And they don't see that is exactly what they are doing.  They really do believe that they are doing God's work!
Title: Re: [b]WHY DOES GOD GIVE MAN STRONG DELUSIONS SO HE WILL BELIEVE A LIE? WHY???[/b]
Post by: robert two on Sat Dec 18, 2010 - 13:46:25
 DJ
People that are educated to the world standard think they are doing GOD'S work but they are not following GOD
ASISH said the leaders of this people cause them to err and they that follow them are DESTROYED.

Yes destroyed in education in the wrong direction now in this life.

DJ GOD is very smart and knew all this before the foundation of this world.
DJ the is a great GULF fixed and nothing canpass from one side to the others between DAVID KOOT and I because he is world educated same problem on here to. I can borrow information that is centuries old that solve modern education. EGW had to learn all this so at the start she got somethings wrong. Martin Luther too learnt GOD'S way Galileo learnt God's way even COLUBUS did too LOL