Author Topic: 40 Lies told about the SDA church  (Read 14474 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
40 Lies told about the SDA church
« on: Sun Oct 31, 2010 - 16:27:01 »
Jesus said "the truth shall set you free."  But, with so many vocies how do you know who's telling you the truth?  There's a shortcut.  You check easy and simple things to see who's telling you a lie and then you don't listen to them anymore.

A list of some claims a guy made about the SDA church and Ellen White on another forum.

1) SDA’s consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned in time.

2) SDA’s will make your salvation dependent on observing the Saturday Sabbath, worshiping with them.

3) If you receive Christ as your Savior through SDA’s, only your past sins are forgiven by grace up to that point.

4) As an SDA you now enter a period of “investigative judgment
« Last Edit: Mon Nov 01, 2010 - 01:58:29 by djconklin »

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #1 on: Mon Nov 01, 2010 - 21:23:57 »
A list of some claims a guy made about the SDA church and Ellen White on another forum.

Ummm. . . your opening sentence begs the question, why would what some guy said on a forum require you to post this here?  Why not post it over there?  And why would you simply post the statements you call lies and not offer a substantive rebuttal to them?  Is your doctrine so precarious that one person on an internet forum can undermine it?

You can call them lies, but I have heard self-proclaimed SDA's say almost every one of them, either on forums or in real life.  Perhaps instead of trying to belabor what someone who is not an SDA said on some internet forum, you could confront members of your own church, since they themselves are the ones repeating what you call lies.  I see people on this forum and others making false statements about Pentecostals all the time and I don't attempt to confront the majority of them.  What purpose would it serve?  My doctrine is not so shoddy and full of holes that I need to go around plastering every Christian internet forum I find with rebuttals to lies like fingers in a dike.  The fact is, your "church" does teach the majority of what you posted, they simply refuse to acknowledge it to those "outside" the SDA framework.  All your posts about lies and whoppers will not change that fact.  And it does not help your case when you refuse to answer simple questions which you should quite readily wish to answer, were your doctrine so secure and sure, as you constantly say it is.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #2 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 07:53:47 »
DJ writes this, saying that it is a lie:

Jesus said "the truth shall set you free."  But, with so many vocies [sic] how do you know who's telling you the truth?  There's a shortcut.  You check easy and simple things to see who's telling you a lie and then you don't listen to them anymore.

A list of some claims a guy made about the SDA church and Ellen White on another forum.
1) SDA’s consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church. All others will be condemned in time.

Aside from the anonymous source, the poster essentially creates a straw man argument, proceeding to knock the argument aside with the simple assertion, "That is a lie." Unfortunately, for Mr. Conklin,  the facts of the issue make clear that his assertion is utterly groundless.

From the OFFICIAL site of the SDA church comes this, one of their 28 Fundamental Beliefs:

13. Remnant and Its Mission:
The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
This remnant announces the arrival of the judgment hour, proclaims salvation through Christ, and heralds the approach of His second advent.
This proclamation is symbolized by the three angels of Revelation 14; it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on earth. Every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness.

Truly, it is sad for an adherent of SDAism to so vociferously assert that something is contrary to the belief system of the SDA church, and yet have one of their 28 Fundamental Beliefs state the opposite of what he claims to be true.

Offline samuel40

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 67
  • Manna: 3
  • Thy word is a lamp unto my feet
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #3 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 08:33:26 »
I went over the list rather quickly, but as far as I can see there are no wrong statements in your list. My son has a freind who is mixed up in the SDA, and we have confronted him several times about it. Out of his own mouth he has confirmed at least 90% of these statements. SORRY.  ::frown::

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #4 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 08:54:56 »
>Out of his own mouth he has confirmed at least 90% of these statements.

I note the lack of proof.  I've been an SDA for over 40 years and never, ever heard any of these things from them.  And even if someone claimed to be an SDA and said any of these  things, then 1) that doesn't mean that they actually are a SDA (the census bureu consistently trells us that we have more members than we have onthe books), and 2) it could simply be a sign that this person is mixing in their own beliefs with what they are saying is SDA beliefs (I have one in this apartment building who does that) and 3) these are not official SDA beliefs.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #5 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 09:05:01 »
Quote
Quote
A list of some claims a guy made about the SDA church and Ellen White on another forum.

Ummm. . . your opening sentence begs the question, why would what some guy said on a forum require you to post this here?  Why not post it over there?
1) Because I find the same lies being repeated across the web.
2) I did.

For example: "SDA’s consider themselves to be the only true, remnant church."

I can't speak for other churches, but we use the word "church" with different meanings.

1) The building.
2) The congregants at that building.
3) All Christians.
4) the body of Christ.

Since SDA's don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved, the claim is false.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #6 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 14:51:47 »
David:

What is in focus, here?

13. Remnant and Its Mission:
The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
This remnant announces the arrival of the judgment hour, proclaims salvation through Christ, and heralds the approach of His second advent.
This proclamation is symbolized by the three angels of Revelation 14; it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on earth. Every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness.

============================================================================================================================

The term, "those who truly believe in Christ" indicates people.
The contradictory conjunction "but" means that it negates all the previous, and then states what it believes is true: In the last days [now] a remnant has been called out [no one in particular is mentioned, but the logical assumption is that it refers to the SDA church].

As if there is any doubt, look at the duties of the "remnant church"
The FIRST is to "proclaim judgment.
SIDEBAR: Cobalt1959 Can you see why the SDAs condemn so many people? According to this Fundamental Belief, the first job of the judge others who do not abide by their insipid rules

After they judge you, they "proclaim salvation through Christ". Unfortunately, they do not proclaim salvation through Jesus Christ alone through grace. Instead, they make up rules to keep the salvation and are therefore, by definition semi-Pelagian, by definition.

I am not familiar sufficiently with the SDA church to decipher this phrase accurately," heralds the approach of His second advent" so I will not guess, lest I be accused of lying.

David:,

You also wrote this, and I am curious about the  reasoning behind it. Please explain further: "Since SDA's don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved, the claim is false. " In light of the above, the church believing that it is the "Remnant Church" how can one who is in the SDA church NOT be saved. It seems contradictory.

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #7 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 15:16:18 »
>Out of his own mouth he has confirmed at least 90% of these statements.

I note the lack of proof.  I've been an SDA for over 40 years and never, ever heard any of these things from them.  And even if someone claimed to be an SDA and said any of these  things, then 1) that doesn't mean that they actually are a SDA (the census bureu consistently trells us that we have more members than we have onthe books), and 2) it could simply be a sign that this person is mixing in their own beliefs with what they are saying is SDA beliefs (I have one in this apartment building who does that) and 3) these are not official SDA beliefs.

You would not acknowledge proof no matter what form it came in.  If you will not acknowledge biblical proof that clearly shows your doctrines to be in error, you aren't going to acknowledge any form of proof, so showing proof would do no good.  A blind person is not going to see anything.  JohnT showed from your church's very own literature why one of those "40 lies" is actually the truth about what your church teaches and you spin it and try and make it mean something else.  This is eeriely like an encounter I had with a Mormon over at Worthy a couple months back.  He kept saying the same thing you are.  "Our church doesn't teach that."  When I showed him that they did teach those exact things, using their own sources from the LDS website which they use to teach the Aaronic Priesthood, Relief Society and new members, he said basically the same thing.  "It doesn't really mean that."  If you have been in the SDA church for 40 years, first of all, that's 40 years too long, and secondly, to not hear those things, you must have been asleep in church for 40 years.  Churches which teach false doctrine can never bring themselves to confront the fact that their doctrine is, in fact wrong, and they will never acknowledge what they actually teach, even when confronted with their very own material.
« Last Edit: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 15:27:53 by Cobalt1959 »

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #8 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 15:25:27 »
David:

What is in focus, here?

13. Remnant and Its Mission:
The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
This remnant announces the arrival of the judgment hour, proclaims salvation through Christ, and heralds the approach of His second advent.
This proclamation is symbolized by the three angels of Revelation 14; it coincides with the work of judgment in heaven and results in a work of repentance and reform on earth. Every believer is called to have a personal part in this worldwide witness.

============================================================================================================================

The term, "those who truly believe in Christ" indicates people.
The contradictory conjunction "but" means that it negates all the previous, and then states what it believes is true: In the last days [now] a remnant has been called out [no one in particular is mentioned, but the logical assumption is that it refers to the SDA church].

As if there is any doubt, look at the duties of the "remnant church"
The FIRST is to "proclaim judgment.
SIDEBAR: Cobalt1959 Can you see why the SDAs condemn so many people? According to this Fundamental Belief, the first job of the judge others who do not abide by their insipid rules

After they judge you, they "proclaim salvation through Christ". Unfortunately, they do not proclaim salvation through Jesus Christ alone through grace. Instead, they make up rules to keep the salvation and are therefore, by definition semi-Pelagian, by definition.

I am not familiar sufficiently with the SDA church to decipher this phrase accurately," heralds the approach of His second advent" so I will not guess, lest I be accused of lying.

David:,

You also wrote this, and I am curious about the  reasoning behind it. Please explain further: "Since SDA's don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved, the claim is false. " In light of the above, the church believing that it is the "Remnant Church" how can one who is in the SDA church NOT be saved. It seems contradictory.


But they won't tell you how you are supposed to aquire that salvation.  They won't tell you how to keep the Sabbath and thus aquire salvation.  And now I know why.  Because in their system, you've already been judged.  To avoid that judgement, you have to come to them first and then maybe you can be saved.  But according to djconklin's statement, even that isn't a guarantee that you'll be saved.  Looks like salvation in the SDA church is a pretty iffy proposition, and you can never be quite sure that you'll actually make it.  That is the entire problem with a works-based system.  As opposed to the true gospel that when you simply accept Jesus as your Savior and place your faith in His grace and sacrifice and live your life for Him through Him, you don't have to chew your nails daily wondering if you are going to make it or not.

Wow.  I'll bet there are alot of people in the SDA church thinking they are saved, but according to dj, they are not.  That's going to come as a pretty big shock to them, being part of the true remnant and all.  Only according to him, even they are not part of the true remnant.  Evidently, there is like a truer true remnant of the bigger remnant.  Hmm.  A super uber-special remnant.  And I'll bet dj is part of it.  Because the people who teach this stuff are always members of the "special" group, no matter what that group is.  They wouldn't advocate a really special group if they were not part of it.   
« Last Edit: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 15:35:26 by Cobalt1959 »

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #9 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 15:40:39 »
Quote
You would not acknowledge proof no matter what form it came in. 
You have no proof of that.

OTOH, I can show that I do look for the proof: see http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/bibliography.html, for one example (and that biblio is way out of date, the current one has over 750 items in it).

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #10 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 16:11:54 »
Quote
You would not acknowledge proof no matter what form it came in. 
You have no proof of that.

OTOH, I can show that I do look for the proof: see http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/bibliography.html, for one example (and that biblio is way out of date, the current one has over 750 items in it).


You could save yourself a great deal of time and work and just accept Deuteronomy 5:3.  It refutes your entire churches doctrinal framework, and if your were sincerely searching for proof of what was true and what was not, you would simply accept what it says instead of looking for excuses not to.

You guys go to so much trouble trying to jump through legalistic hoops when the real answers are so simple and comforting.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #11 on: Tue Nov 02, 2010 - 22:23:35 »
David:,

You also wrote this, and I am curious about the  reasoning behind it. Please explain further: "Since SDA's don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved, the claim is false. " In light of the above when FB 13 says that the SDA Church is is the "Remnant Church" how can one who is in the SDA church NOT be saved? It seems logically contradictory.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #12 on: Wed Nov 03, 2010 - 08:46:36 »
The latest whopper: we're a cult.  But when you go to sue them for making defamatory statements about you, then they claim that you cannot sue your fellow Christian?  Can't have it both ways!

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #13 on: Wed Nov 03, 2010 - 09:35:09 »
The latest whopper: we're a cult.  But when you go to sue them for making defamatory statements about you, then they claim that you cannot sue your fellow Christian?  Can't have it both ways!

It is hardly the latest.  SDA's have been classified as a cult by mainline Protestant denominations for decades now.  The main earmarks of the SDA being a cult are their claim to be the only one true church, their reliance on an outside source (E.G.W. and the church leadership hierarchy) for their doctrine, above and beyond the Bible, and their seperating themselves as some sort of special class above mainstream Christianity.  If it looks like a cult, walks like a cult and quacks like a cult, guess what?  It's a cult.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #14 on: Wed Nov 03, 2010 - 10:57:23 »
You missed the linkage with recent events.

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #15 on: Wed Nov 03, 2010 - 16:32:56 »
You missed the linkage with recent events.

I missed nothing.  Once again, if you were secure in your doctrine, there would be no need, or desire to sue those who say things about you you do not like, because God is on your side, right?  I mean, you are, after all, the only real and true remnant of the church left, according to your own church's statements.

Acts 5:35-39  35 Then he addressed them: "Men of Israel, consider carefully what you intend to do to these men.  36 Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing.  37 After him, Judas the Galilean appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered.  38 Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail.  39 But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God."

So if you were the one true remnant of the church, nothing could harm you.  But SDA growth is stagnant, people are leaving the church in droves, large schisms exist because many people now are beginning to realize that SDA theology is based on the whims and wishes of the church's leadership and not the Bible, and for those left, you cannot agree from one member to the other what you actually believe, and you won't relay what you believe truthfully to the outside world anyway.

The only recent event that could have any relevance is if you, and the SDA church as awhole renounced your false theology and began to actually practice true Christianity.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #16 on: Wed Nov 03, 2010 - 17:41:57 »
David:,

You also wrote this, and I am curious about the  reasoning behind it. Please explain further: "Since SDA's don't even believe that all SDA's will be saved, the claim is false. " In light of the above, the church believing that it is the "Remnant Church" how can one who is in the SDA church NOT be saved? It seems contradictory.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #17 on: Fri Nov 05, 2010 - 21:36:20 »
See what was written about the multiple meanings of the word "church."

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #18 on: Fri Nov 05, 2010 - 21:42:18 »
>Once again, if you were secure in your doctrine, there would be no need, or desire to sue those who say things about you you do not like,

It isn't about doctrine.  It is about cyber-bullying, harrassment, false rumor-mongering and defamation of character.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #19 on: Fri Nov 05, 2010 - 22:50:39 »
>Once again, if you were secure in your doctrine, there would be no need, or desire to sue those who say things about you you do not like,

It isn't about doctrine.  It is about cyber-bullying, harrassment, false rumor-mongering and defamation of character.

Yes, it is about doctrine. It is NOT about you in any sort of way.

I tried to not respond to taunts and insults by anyone, but sometimes I slipped, and I am sorry for that. Please accept my apologies for any insult you felt.

I have tried, (but sometimes fell short of the mark) in trying to keep the discussion about issues and doctrine.


For sure, I will attack your doctrines that I believe are unsupported by the Bible, but for you to think that I am trying to be a bully is not the case.
For sure, I will attack blatant dishonesty. If we are to be civil in discussing matters, we need to post things that are true, and not created from make believe.
For sure, I will attack the preposterous things that EGW wrote, for they demonstrate to me that she was NOT a prophet of God.

That is my simple strategy, and I extend my hand in an effort to debate within my self-imposed guidelines of civility.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #20 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 04:20:57 »
Quote
Yes, it is about doctrine. It is NOT about you in any sort of way.
You weren't there, you don't know what went on and what was said.

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #21 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 07:48:00 »
>Once again, if you were secure in your doctrine, there would be no need, or desire to sue those who say things about you you do not like,

It isn't about doctrine.  It is about cyber-bullying, harrassment, false rumor-mongering and defamation of character.

A persecution complex?

You don't answer questions.  You make claims, but you offer no proof.  You refer people to extra-biblical sources instead of using scripture.  That shouldn't be necessary.  If the whole of scripture supported your position, it should not be dificult for you to prove your claims using scripture alone.  No defamation of character is going on here.  At the worst, a difference of opinion.  EGW is not the glowing example of Christendom that SDA's try to paint her as.  If you are getting "bullied" so much, here or elsewhere, why do you stick around?  If EGW is as wholesome as you people say she was, her memory should be able to take care of itself.  You spend much more time defending her than you do actually discussing the other issues we bring up.  Because you haven't dealt with them at all.  That leads me to believe you are either unequipped to do so, or you know your position is not nearly as strong as you claim it is.  Avoiding an issue never causes it to go away and it only undermines your credibility.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #22 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 10:26:45 »
>> It is about cyber-bullying, harrassment, false rumor-mongering and defamation of character.

>A persecution complex?

Said the one who wasn't there.  Appparently, you wouldn't mind if people said that you are a child molester, eh?

>You refer people to extra-biblical sources instead of using scripture.

Its allowed.  The scholars in the field do it all the time.

>undermines your credibility.

Its a lot higher than those who haven't one.  My work on the Date of the book of Daniel is used by those who defend the historicity of the Bible: http://www.tektonics.org/guest/danielblast.html

On one forum a global moderator wrote:

"Of the modern works I have used, I rely most heavily on David Conklin's excellent paper 'Evidences Relating to the Date of the Book of Daniel' (2000), which is the single most thorough, well reseached, and convincing work on the subject which I have ever read. It is freely available online, and runs to some 54 A4 pages, including the extensive bibliography."
« Last Edit: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 10:55:04 by djconklin »

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #23 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 10:41:04 »
>> It is about cyber-bullying, harrassment, false rumor-mongering and defamation of character.

>A persecution complex?

Said the one who wasn't there.  Appparently, you wouldn't mind if people said that you are a child molester, eh?


If it was some flake on an internet forum that I didn't know, why should I?  They have no way of knowing because they don't know me.  I've been called all kinds of things on the boards.  Who cares?  Someone only gets miffed if the things hit home.  Otherwise, why get ruffled?  Are you worried about yourself, or E.G.W.?  When people start calling me names or start claiming I'm picking on them I realize that it simply means I've struck a nerve and they don't like it.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #24 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 11:00:46 »
I wasn't talking about name-calling.  This was an actionable offense.

Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #25 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 19:28:05 »
I wasn't talking about name-calling.  This was an actionable offense.

Then go do something about it there and quit whining about it here.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #26 on: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 21:04:17 »
Quote
Yes, it is about doctrine. It is NOT about you in any sort of way.
You weren't there, you don't know what went on and what was said.

OK. I was not on that site. So what?

I wanted to make amends for my own boorish behavior.

And Cobalt1959 is correct. Since that happened on CARM, or somewhere else, you need to go back there to deal what you termed "Cyber bullies". Ventilating here will only ventilate your feelings, it will deal with the situation that you believe is a hostile environment.

(Besides that, calling people a "bunch of morons" is not a good way to make friends, or influence people positively)
« Last Edit: Sat Nov 06, 2010 - 22:28:21 by John T »

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #27 on: Sun Nov 07, 2010 - 02:07:17 »
I wasn't talking about name-calling.  This was an actionable offense.

Then go do something about it there and quit whining about it here.
I am and I wasn't whining.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #28 on: Sun Nov 07, 2010 - 02:08:16 »
>(Besides that, calling people a "bunch of morons" is not a good way to make friends, or influence people positively)

I never said that.

Offline John T

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 177
  • Manna: 4
  • Reformed, CMA member
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #29 on: Sun Nov 07, 2010 - 19:56:58 »
>(Besides that, calling people a "bunch of morons" is not a good way to make friends, or influence people positively)

I never said that.


Reply 1: Sorry djconklin - Topix
Wise Man replied 1 month ago
djconklin wrote: >Topix is not going to give any of you morons ip addresses. Love the proof you offered as to why not. And to think this world is full of morons like you. You want proof that you are a moron? lol

The "bunch of" was from another, and I erred. For that I am sorry, but this is exactly what you wrote.

Reply 21: Sorry djconklin - Topix
djconklin replied 1 month ago
>I am more correct than you. Nope. You made a claim and you can't back it up. >Ya moron. You are projecting.

Reply 53: Sorry djconklin - Topix
djconklin replied 1 month ago
Judged: 1 I leave stupid to you.

For sure, that is a NASTY PLACE. Why did you ever post there for so long?

This is NOT a "gotcha moment". Rather it is a reminder that everything posted on the Internet can be traced.


Offline Cobalt1959

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 658
  • Manna: 39
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #30 on: Sun Nov 07, 2010 - 20:17:47 »
I am and I wasn't whining.
[/quote]

You've brought it up ad nauseam.  It didn't happen here.  It happened on another forum.  It doesn't belong here.  You shouldn't be bringing it up here.  And yes, it is whining.  No one is forcing you to come here and no one is forcing you to go there, so if you think bullying is going on, either deal with it where it happens or quit frequenting the forum where it occurs.  Pretty simple stuff.

Offline djconklin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 986
  • Manna: 11
Re: 40 Lies told about the SDA church
« Reply #31 on: Fri Nov 26, 2010 - 13:05:53 »
>You've brought it up ad nauseam.

Once, is not ad nauseam.

>It didn't happen here.

Didn't say that it did.  But, by posting it nips it in the bud.  OTOH, one of the claims has been made here.

>It happened on another forum.

Actually, on a number of forums.

>It doesn't belong here.

Why?

>You shouldn't be bringing it up here.

Why?

>And yes, it is whining.

I never whine.