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Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« on: Sat Jul 13, 2019 - 23:28:01 »
John 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
"3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

To most scientists in the world today, the theory of evolution is no longer just a theory but is regarded as a fact. There are differences of opinion regarding the tempo, mode, and mechanisms of evolution, but the basic concepts of the theory have become an established philosophy. Even the educational systems of the world teach evolution by natural selection and the big bang as the only feasible theory of origin, to the exclusion of anything else especially creative design.

Now natural selection in itself is not a scientific principle, as it is based on circular reasoning. By natural selection, the weaker are eliminated and the stronger survive to propagate the species. It is all started by chance, the idea of the big bang was that a tiny point of nothing started the universe and somehow life started by chance.

The evidence for evolution is based largely on interpretation and a rationale for the long ages required for the evolutionary events to have taken place. However, each of these parameters is open to alternative explanations which also happen to be in harmony with the biblical account.

Evolutionary scientists argue that creationism is not science, that it is based on a preconceived ideology, which excludes it from the realms of science. However, if the facts fit the biblical creation account, is it excluded?

So is there evidence for Creation by design, was the DNA by purpose, and the form of mankind and domain made by a Creator?

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #2 on: Sun Jul 14, 2019 - 14:27:05 »
Evolutionary scientists argue that creationism is not science, that it is based on a preconceived ideology, which excludes it from the realms of science. However, if the facts fit the biblical creation account, is it excluded?
If any event involves supernatural explanation, then obviously it is not science.  Creation ex nihilo by definition is not a subject for science.  The entire concept of "creation science" is bogus.

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #3 on: Mon Jul 15, 2019 - 22:32:32 »
I am proof that evolution is just a theory, not a fact.  According to the theory, mutated genes lead to improvements in the species.

I have a mutated gene.  NO mutated gene that I know of leads to the betterment of the species.  In my case it has let to a neurological disorder, in other people, heart conditions or cancer or other terminal conditions.  I do not see this as a betterment.

I have trust in the Creator, that in His own good time, I will be given a perfectly functioning body that never wears out.  Till that time, I live with the effects of mutation.

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #4 on: Fri Jul 26, 2019 - 13:22:53 »
The breakdown in all aspects of man and life on earth is a key indicator

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #5 on: Sat Jul 27, 2019 - 07:35:09 »
I am proof that evolution is just a theory, not a fact.  According to the theory, mutated genes lead to improvements in the species.
I think you don't really know much at all about the theory.

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #6 on: Sat Jul 27, 2019 - 08:58:13 »
If any event involves supernatural explanation, then obviously it is not science.  Creation ex nihilo by definition is not a subject for science.  The entire concept of "creation science" is bogus.

So, if evolution is true, there is such a thing as science in relation to the mechanism's of our existence. If creation is true there is not?

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #7 on: Sat Jul 27, 2019 - 09:33:20 »
So, if evolution is true, there is such a thing as science in relation to the mechanism's of our existence. If creation is true there is not?
I didn't make such a statement.  I didn't suggest such a statement.  I never even alluded to such a state.

Why do you always rewrite what others write, and seldom with any accuracy to what was written, and then proceed to assail and berate it? 

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #8 on: Sat Jul 27, 2019 - 12:02:54 »
I didn't make such a statement.  I didn't suggest such a statement.  I never even alluded to such a state.

Why do you always rewrite what others write, and seldom with any accuracy to what was written, and then proceed to assail and berate it?

Apparently you missed the question mark at the end of my sentence. That was a question, not a statement of what you were really saying. I asked for clarification.

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #9 on: Sat Jul 27, 2019 - 12:21:30 »
Apparently you missed the question mark at the end of my sentence. That was a question, not a statement of what you were really saying. I asked for clarification.
No I didn't miss the question mark.  I clarified it sufficiently.  Creation has nothing to do with science and science has nothing to do with creation.  Your question only tells me that you do not really understand what it means when God says He created. But I have sensed that before.

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Re: Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jan 23, 2021 - 11:44:20 »
No I didn't miss the question mark.  I clarified it sufficiently.  Creation has nothing to do with science and science has nothing to do with creation.  Your question only tells me that you do not really understand what it means when God says He created. But I have sensed that before.

It comes down to if you believe in Christ, the Creator, or in man and his theories...

 

     
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