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EGW & PILLARS OF FAITH.
« on: Tue Mar 09, 2010 - 15:22:17 »
I am sure I read Mrs.White saying when the pillars of faith are removed the gospel has been preached to the world.
Now that was away back in the 1980s.
The church was for the perfecting of the saints.
If the pillars of faith are removed the the church is doing the oppose to perfecting of the saints.

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Mar 11, 2010 - 00:43:11 »
I am sure I read Mrs.White saying when the pillars of faith are removed the gospel has been preached to the world.
Now that was away back in the 1980s.
The church was for the perfecting of the saints.
If the pillars of faith are removed the the church is doing the oppose to perfecting of the saints.

What specifically are the pillars of faith and how are they represented in your worship (Liturgy)?

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« Reply #2 on: Fri Mar 12, 2010 - 10:05:30 »
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I am sure I read Mrs.White saying when the pillars of faith are removed the gospel has been preached to the world.
I've never heard of such a sentence before.

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Mar 12, 2010 - 15:40:10 »
 Get the EGW index CDs and look it up and you will find it.
But you have to be word perfect or you will not get it at all.

I can see we would be a long way ahead is we negotiated into TRUTH. ::amen!::

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 16:17:17 »
Get the EGW index CDs and look it up and you will find it.
But you have to be word perfect or you will not get it at all.

I can see we would be a long way ahead is we negotiated into TRUTH. ::amen!::

If you really eager/hungry to find TRUTH? You will NOT find it in EGW writings!!

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 17:59:29 »
 Try 1SM.pages 207-8
That is a start.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 04:21:34 »
Try 1SM.pages 207-8
That is a start.

Show the quote please? I ain't got time to look at/for jargon of EGW. The bible and bible only is my source for truth! Do i need a lesser light?

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 09:42:41 »
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Get the EGW index CDs and look it up and you will find it.
I use the online search engine @ the EGW Estate: http://www.whiteestate.org/

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« Reply #8 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 09:45:45 »
Try 1SM.pages 207-8
That is a start.


Show the quote please? I ain't got time to look at/for jargon of EGW.
You go to http://www.whiteestate.org/ and use the search engine looking for the book and page--uou're big boy, you can do it!

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The bible and bible only is my source for truth! Do i need a lesser light?
You get the meanings for the words from somewhere.  A lesser light to make sure the translators got it right (and there's bugs in every translation) is as simple as a lexicon.  You also need a knowledge of history and geography to fully understand the Bible.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 16:50:29 »
Try 1SM.pages 207-8
That is a start.

Show the quote please? I ain't got time to look at/for jargon of EGW. The bible and bible only is my source for truth! Do i need a lesser light?
It appear you know nothing as yet about the lesser light so you do not the lesser light.
Start on milk then work into hard food.
Let nature guide you.

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 17:05:58 »
Try 1SM.pages 207-8
That is a start.

Show the quote please? I ain't got time to look at/for jargon of EGW. The bible and bible only is my source for truth! Do i need a lesser light?
It appear you know nothing as yet about the lesser light so you do not the lesser light.
Start on milk then work into hard food.
Let nature guide you.

Show scripture evidence that we need the Lesser Light first before we move to hard food? [the bible.]

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« Reply #11 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 17:15:10 »
 1 Cor.3:2
Hebrews 5:12
 Unless there is a good lead in then we humans get things out of perspective and out of proportion. ::amen!::

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 17:19:36 »
1 Cor.3:2
Hebrews 5:12
 Unless there is a good lead in then we humans get things out of perspective and out of proportion. ::amen!::

 
Heb 5: 12 New International Version (©1984)
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

You take this to mean EGW writings is that right?
 

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 18:44:22 »
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You take this to mean EGW writings is that right?
No, we do not.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 19:03:02 »
1 Cor.3:2
Hebrews 5:12
 Unless there is a good lead in then we humans get things out of perspective and out of proportion. ::amen!::

 
Heb 5: 12 New International Version (©1984)
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

You take this to mean EGW writings is that right?
 

Now not exactly.
Come let us reason together.
This is the basic problem
Adults refuse to do that.
the Bible says. Least ye become as LITTLE CHILDREN ye shall not enter the kingdon of heaven.

Now thems is the rules.
If we cannot negotiate together there is no hope at all.
God made that perfectly clear.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 22:10:47 »
Robert two,

Do you identify yourself with the adventist.org website? Do you and dj belong to the same denomination?

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 22:20:02 »
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Do you and dj belong to the same denomination?
That would be impossible as I don't belong to any denomination.

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« Reply #17 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 22:54:04 »
 I have run into DJ on other forums but we are notknown to each other nor are we with any group.
Mrs.White writes the invisible church I guess that is as close as it gets.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 00:05:42 »
It's not logical that the two of you would hang out at an SDA forum, defend Ellen G and then claim you are not with the denomination that hails Ellen G as a prophet.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 01:26:14 »
I don't defend Ellen White; I expose the constant and habitual lies of the critics.  The lurkers get the message real quick!

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 02:01:37 »
 Well this time we must defy logic as we do not know each other and it appears both of us are not in any denomination at all.
I personal do not defend EGW. I do defend what GOD told her to write.
Matthew 25 :40 convicts me to do this.
Not should why DJ blows the critics out of the water ?

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 02:17:19 »
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Not should why DJ blows the critics out of the water ?
It's very simple: when someone lies to you they are stealing the truth from you.  And as one boss said the only thing worse than a thief is two of them!  Do you like getting ripped off?  Does it bother you that people think that you are so stupid that they can lie through their teeth to you--and they think you'll never notice?!?  Liars are quite insulting when you get down to it.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 02:26:47 »
 People often put up false information that they have no idea if it is valid. They even believe it to be what they say it is and have no conscience about it.
If they enjoy this then they is WEIRD.

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« Reply #23 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 03:58:19 »
It's not logical that the two of you would hang out at an SDA forum, defend Ellen G and then claim you are not with the denomination that hails Ellen G as a prophet.

EGW and the SDA church has messed their brains!

These TWO creatures also believe and agree with EGW  & the SDA church that the Scapegoat is SATAN in Lev 16: 10 on another website.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 10:27:02 »
Does dj and Robert two share an I.P. address?

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« Reply #25 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 10:43:38 »
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People often put up false information that they have no idea if it is valid. They even believe it to be what they say it is and have no conscience about it.
Its called confirmation bias.  They heard something that agrees with their bias and without checking it to see if it is so they believe it--I call them "easy believers."

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« Reply #26 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 13:40:40 »
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People often put up false information that they have no idea if it is valid. They even believe it to be what they say it is and have no conscience about it.
Its called confirmation bias.  They heard something that agrees with their bias and without checking it to see if it is so they believe it--I call them "easy believers."

I would say BLIND FOOLS OR BLIND SHEEP.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 14:23:40 »
Good terms as well.

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« Reply #28 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 16:39:25 »
 i must thank the goats for calling us SHEEP.
I live in South Australia and am from New Zealand check on DJ and you will see we are not one and the same person already.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed Mar 17, 2010 - 16:48:01 »
>check on DJ and you will see

That would require work, something that the critics are allergic too.  It is much easier to make up new lies, cast aspersions and accuse by innuendo.

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« Reply #30 on: Sat Mar 20, 2010 - 16:33:18 »
 I looked up 1SM.p207-8.
Yes others have not a clue as to the laws of the prophets.
EGW is saying that it was what GOD had shown THEM not only herself.
People fail to see this.

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« Reply #31 on: Tue Apr 20, 2010 - 16:28:17 »
Here is some of the pillars of faith


1) Soul sleep, that what you see is what you get, there is no dichotomy between the physical body and a disembodied spirit. This is not unique to SDAs, for example, soul sleep Baptists, but almost every Christian church teaches otherwise. Gerhardt Kittel supports this understanding in his landmark Theological Dictionary of the NT.

2) No eternal hell. SDAs understand the Bible to teach that all, righteous and wicked, receive their reward at the end of the age. The righteous go to heaven, and the wicked are burned up, leaving only ashes, then God makes a new heavens and earth, and the wicked are no more.

3) No earthly millennium. When Christ returns, the righteous are taken to heaven, the wicked are destroyed by the brightness of His coming. Satan is stuck on a desolate earth during the millennium, all are dead. At the end of the millennium, the wicked are raised for the final judgment, attempt to take the New Jerusalem, which has come down to this earth out of heaven (Jn. 21:1,2) and perish as fire comes down from heaven to devour them.

4) The heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment. SDAs teach that God is preparing His people for Christ's return, that there is a sanctuary in heaven, that the final phase of Christ's ministry in that sanctuary is to open the books and review the record of each believer's life. Has a professed believer in Jesus walked the talk, and taken advantage of Christ's offer to help him or her, and purify him from defilement? When every case has been decided, Christ returns to pick up His people and bring them home to heaven.

5) The health message: SDAs are almost unique in that good health and healthy diet are an integral part of the Biblical teachings of the church. This is important, not merely for the body temple concept, but also in preparation for Christ's return, and as part of holy living.

6) The gift of prophecy: SDAs understand the Bible to teach taht the gift of prophecy will be in God's last day church. Most churches do not teach that.