I agree her head injury affected her brain.
The following is another conflicting statement with what you believe and the Bible teaches. Notice it was her angel this time. I don't believe angels lie, do you?
Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost ... I saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded His Father. Said my accompanying angel, He is in close converse with the Father.... Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father, His person could be seen.... He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that He had been pleading with His Father, and had offered to give His life a ransom, to take the sentence of death upon Himself ... Jesus bade the heavenly host be reconciled to the plan that His Father had accepted... Early Writings, pp. 149-151.
Before I go on I will remind you that I said you and others will not agree
with what I have come to believe. This is not the thread, or even forum to get into that, and frankly I am not up to the task of defending what I see as I read the Holy Bible.. I am not filled with the Holy Spirit,according to some and therefore unable to read and understand without those here telling me what it says .

But that does not offset what I see as I study.
Here is a question to ask yourself.
Of what you copied and pasted Jesus said... or so Ellen believed
"Sorrow filled heaven, as it was realized that man was lost ... I saw the lovely Jesus and beheld an expression of sympathy and sorrow upon His countenance. Soon I saw Him approach the exceeding bright light which enshrouded His Father. Said my accompanying angel, He is in close converse with the Father.... Three times He was shut in by the glorious light about the Father, and the third time He came from the Father, His person could be seen....
He then made known to the angelic host that a way of escape had been made for lost man. He told them that He had been pleading with His Father, and had offered to give His life a ransom, to take the sentence of death upon Himself ... Jesus bade the heavenly host be reconciled to the plan that His Father had accepted... Early Writings"
QUESTION:
When exactly did Jesus beg the Father to allow him to die for humanity?
Was it during the observation of the 3 times she saw Jesus conversing with the Father during that specific vision,
as if it was currently at that moment agreed upon?
Or could it have been a flash back to the decision made and agreed upon that
may have been a coupe thousand years earlier?
Ellen had originally, before her visions, been a Methodist.
Methodists believe in the Holy Trinity.
The following influenced Ellen from a very young age.
The following are five beliefs that set Methodists apart from other Protestant Christians.
1. Logic and Reason: The most fundamental distinction of Methodist teaching is that people must use logic and reason in all matters of faith. Methodism has its roots in 18th century Anglicanism. Its founder was a Church of England minister, John Wesley (1703-1791), who, according to BBC, "sought to challenge the religious assumptions of the day. He and others met regularly for bible study and prayer, to receive communion and do acts of charity. They became known as "The Holy Club" or "Methodists" because of the methodical way in which they carried out their Christian faith."
2. Evangelism and mission: A unique feature of American Methodism is the observance of the season of Kingdomtide, which encompasses the last 13 weeks before Advent. During Kingdomtide, Methodists are encouraged to do charitable work and alleviate the suffering of the poor. Methodism is characterized by its emphasis on helping the poor and the average person. These ideals are put into practice by the establishment of hospitals, universities, orphanages, soup kitchens, and schools.
3. Covenant Services: Most Methodist churches annually follow the call of John Wesley for a renewal of their covenant with God. It is common for each congregation to hold an annual Covenant Service on the first Sunday of the year. The original covenant prayer given by John Wesley is still widely used, with minor modifications.
4. Inclusiveness: Methodists are convinced that building loving relationships with others through social service is a means of working towards the inclusiveness of God's love. Most Methodists teach that Christ died for all of humanity, not just for a limited group, and thus everyone is entitled to God's grace and protection. In theology, this view denies that God has pre-ordained an elect number of people to eternal bliss while others are doomed to hell no matter what they do in life.
5. Music: Methodism is known for its rich musical tradition. Singing is a big part of the Methodist Church service. Charles Wesley, brother of the church founder, was instrumental in writing some 6,000 hymns, and many other eminent hymn writers come from the Methodist tradition.
https://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/methodists-protestant-beliefs-christians/2015/04/02/id/635806/QUESTION continued: So I go back to asking when did this "begging " of Jesus to God begin?
You say;
The following is another conflicting statement with what you believe and the Bible teaches. Notice it was her angel this time. I don't believe angels lie, do you?
Do angels lie?
Let's use the Bible to tell us:
Isaiah 14:12-1 King James Version (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
"God created Satan as one of Heaven's most beautiful angels. Lucifer means "light-bearer" and was referred to as the "morning star." However, the devil was jealous and rebelled against God. Isaiah 14:12 says, "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" The devil's prideful revolt and greed for power turned him into a self-proclaimed enemy of God. He wanted to replace God in every way. Regardless of what name he is called, he is not on equal footing with God.
https://www.allaboutspirituality.org/fallen-angels-faq.htmJohn 8:44 King James Version (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
So for me that would be an unequivocable
YES and is biblically supported.
Ellen's recount of Jesus begging his Father to implement a plan to have Himself killed IS NOT
QUESTION: Assuming you believe in the Trinity... many here donot...
We have God the Father, God the Son.etc......
If you do not believe in the Trinity but just that God is God and Jesus is His son
WHO is Jesus' mother?
One final note about Ellen.... WHICH DOES NOT MATTER ONE IOTA. Just for those who may be reading here and not know.
Ellen racial mix was that of a Mulatto.
"James White along with his mulatto wife, Ellen White also moved westward to Saratoga, to Rochester, New York to Ohio on onward to Battle Creek, Michigan where they lived among the Colored people. [p. 12]"
[Ellen] could relate with the plight of the mulatto and slave groups for these were her people. [p. 13]
https://whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-genealogy-html/BTW... appears she was baptised at age 14
In 1840, at age 12, her family became involved with the Millerite movement. As she attended William Miller's lectures, she felt guilty for her sins and was filled with terror about being eternally lost. She describes herself as spending nights in tears and prayer and being in this condition for several months. On June 26, 1842, she was baptized by John Hobart in Casco Bay in Portland, Maine, and eagerly awaited Jesus to come again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_G._WhiteSo Beam: I know you are disagreeing with me. Most do. It is alright.....
But I thank you for these exchanges because since looking into Ellen's background.. I have developed an immense respect for her.
I did not say I believe her to be a prophet. But I do respect her. She was working as a minority of race as well as the handicap of gender. That says a lot.