Ellen and Her "Instructor" Concerning Photographs

[Amo]

Hi Amo, I give all the praise to the Holy Spirit for prompting me to start studying scripture instead of allowing the SDA prophet to tell me what is true.  There is a vast difference you know.  The prophet had me believing that I had to abide by the ministry of death, the 10 commandments written in stone.  2Cor3:6-11.   Had I realized that the 10 are not Christian's guide and were only for the guidance of Israel and ended at the Cross along with all of the laws of the Sinai covenant I would not have submitted myself to 40 years of SDA programming. 

I now know that I am not saved by keeping a day that I was never able to keep in the first place.  The prophet wrote: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}

I now know that the SDA church teaches that one must tithe or lose their salvation is nothing but a lie.   Tithing was a law contained in the Sinai covenant and only included Israelites that raised livestock and or crops.  Jesus would not have been a tithe payer under the laws of the Sinai covenant.  And the fact is that Christians are not under the laws of the Sinai covenant.   The prophet wrote: The man who will rob God is cultivating traits of character that will cut him off from admittance into the family of God above. (6T 391.1)

    Those who have used the  tithe  money to supply the common necessities of the house of God, have taken the money that should go to sustain ministers in doing His work, in preparing the way for Christ's second appearing. Just as surely as you do this work, you misapply the resources which God has told you to retain in His treasure house, that it may be full, to be used in His service. This work is something of which all who have taken a part in should be ashamed. They have used their influence to withdraw from God's treasury a fund that is consecrated to a sacred purpose. From those who do this, the blessing of the Lord will be removed. The  tithe  money must be kept sacred. . . . {1MR 183.1}
 

I now know that the SDA belief in the Investigative Judgement is a complete farce.  Jesus our all-knowing God is sitting in a room and has been for 175 years going over every name to see if they are able to be saved?  I was told to never say I am saved and you know something, maybe I wasn't because I never proclaimed the promises God has given us throughout the Holy Writ.   Actually, I knew I wasn't saved because I was never able to "keep" the Sabbath.  Isaiah 58.

I now know that Jesus will never forsake me and leave me without His grace as the prophet has written will happen before He returns.  Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.  AMEN!

I now know that it is a terrible belief that it is alright to abort babies as the SDA church believes.

I now know that the SDA prophet plagiarized in many parts of her writings and that her visions were not from God.  Many of those visions have been made known on the SDA forum and, of course, tried to be refuted by the faithful.

Yep Amo, I am now programmed with the power Jesus, of the Holy Spirit and scripture.
   
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 24-25

I've been an SDA for about 39 years now, and I have never believed the rubbish you proclaimed above. Seems to me, you have been deceived more than once.

[beam]

I've been an SDA for about 39 years now, and I have never believed the rubbish you proclaimed above. Seems to me, you have been deceived more than once.

It is true Amo.  I am sorry to break the news to you.  Deep in your heart you know it is not rubbish.  It is very hard to learn the real truth after being in what we thought was the truth.    People kept telling me until I turned them off and they let me go my own way.  That is how it is my friend.

[Amo]

It is true Amo.  I am sorry to break the news to you.  Deep in your heart you know it is not rubbish.  It is very hard to learn the real truth after being in what we thought was the truth.    People kept telling me until I turned them off and they let me go my own way.  That is how it is my friend.

That is how it is for short sighted, self centered individuals who think their experience defines the experience of all others. You have no idea how it is for anyone other than yourself. That is what a relationship with God is all about, He knows and does completely understand as no other can for each of us. Being able to relate and share, is not at all knowing how it actually is for another. This is God's privilege alone. You do not know how it is or was for me, or anyone else for that matter. Thinking you do in simple accordance with your own experience, leads nowhere, and absolutely is no standard of truth at all.

I know it to be rubbish, and I have never believed the rubbish. I'm sorry you apparently did, and then were deceived into believing all other SDA's were and are just like you. You had and still have wrong ideas about SDA and biblical teaching. When you realized this, instead of admitting of it, you just trashed all of it according to those wrong ideas as though everyone else had them as well. At least that is what I perceive of your experience, but who am I. I certainly know that we have had very different experiences as SDA's, come to very different conclusions regarding what SDA teaching actually is, and what the bible actually teaches.

[beam]

Hi Amo, you are right, I don't know everyone's experience.  I have many Adventist friends and what they tell me and what I am able to observe most do have doubts about the "special" beliefs.   I have a daughter that is still a member although she knows their prophet was not what the church has built her up to be.   She had 16 years of SDA training  Her whole life revolves around the church since she is a teacher in the system and her husband is a life long SDA.    Both of her adult children have left Adventism and not because of rebellion.  They left because they could see what they were taught did not meet what they now believe scripture teaches.   

What I reveal in my posts are not just my ideas.  Former Adventists want Adventists to know the other side of the story.  We do have an agenda to spread the Good News to our Adventist friends and families we have left behind.  There are many stories of success and praise from those who chose to take the challenge and deep study the belief system.   Former Adventist's produce a magazine called Proclamation which has many thought-provoking articles.   It is free for the asking.

[Amo]

Hi Amo, you are right, I don't know everyone's experience.  I have many Adventist friends and what they tell me and what I am able to observe most do have doubts about the "special" beliefs.   I have a daughter that is still a member although she knows their prophet was not what the church has built her up to be.   She had 16 years of SDA training  Her whole life revolves around the church since she is a teacher in the system and her husband is a life long SDA.    Both of her adult children have left Adventism and not because of rebellion.  They left because they could see what they were taught did not meet what they now believe scripture teaches.   

What I reveal in my posts are not just my ideas.  Former Adventists want Adventists to know the other side of the story.  We do have an agenda to spread the Good News to our Adventist friends and families we have left behind.  There are many stories of success and praise from those who chose to take the challenge and deep study the belief system.   Former Adventist's produce a magazine called Proclamation which has many thought-provoking articles.   It is free for the asking.

Everyone is of course entitled to believe as they wish. I have engaged in much dialogue and debate with many anti SDA's throughout the years. I find their arguments and accusations to be very weak at best. Most are built upon faulty premise, or presumption. None have convinced me that their stance is more biblical than that of SDA's. I've been to former SDA pages, but none of them provide opportunity to refute their false claims, as I see it. Does Proclamation have an internet site? Do they allow for any response to their accusations? Probably not. If so, please share the link, I would be happy to read and respond to their articles.