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Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« on: Fri Jan 02, 2009 - 23:21:20 »
This forum is for Seventh Day Adventists to fellowship and have discussions specific to their religious movement.

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Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #1 on: Mon Mar 09, 2009 - 21:53:01 »
is there anyone to moderate the sda subforum for posts that do not belong here?  :)

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #2 on: Mon Mar 01, 2010 - 20:30:14 »
 What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #3 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 16:13:13 »
What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

Hi Rob

To be honest i believe its the direction of ERROR.

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #4 on: Mon Mar 15, 2010 - 18:03:23 »
What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

Hi Rob

To be honest i believe its the direction of ERROR.
Then the direction is more like other world churches .

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #5 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 04:09:44 »
What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

Hi Rob

To be honest i believe its the direction of ERROR.
Then the direction is more like other world churches .


Correct!

The bible is clear on that! Satan is like a roaring lion in the last days seeking whom he can devour....

Many are called and few are chosen!! Many worship God in vain ! teaching doctrines of man rather of God. Matt 15: 8-9

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #6 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 09:41:06 »
SDA doctrines can be found here: http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html -- note how each is supported by Bible texts.

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #7 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 14:37:45 »
SDA doctrines can be found here: http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html -- note how each is supported by Bible texts.


Satan has true doctrines too! He also has a few that are lies!

EGW has many true doctrines and few lies too!

I'm only interested on why she told the UNTRUE ones that i pointed out!

She also said the door of salvation closed in Oct 1844 for all the living! Why did she LIE?


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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #8 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 15:04:41 »
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EGW has many true doctrines and few lies too!
She hasn't told any lies and the critics have lied over 55 times about her.

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She also said the door of salvation closed in Oct 1844 for all the living!
She did not.

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Why did she LIE?
You're the one who is telling the lie.  Ther question is why did you do that?  Did you think that we were so stupid that we wouldn't notice?  The bad news for you is that love the truth so much that  lie stick out like a sore thumb.

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #9 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 15:57:14 »
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EGW has many true doctrines and few lies too!
She hasn't told any lies and the critics have lied over 55 times about her.

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She also said the door of salvation closed in Oct 1844 for all the living!
She did not.

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Why did she LIE?
You're the one who is telling the lie.  Ther question is why did you do that?  Did you think that we were so stupid that we wouldn't notice?  The bad news for you is that love the truth so much that  lie stick out like a sore thumb.

The door of salvation is forever SHUT Mrs. White taught that the door of salvation, or probation as she referred to it, had forever shut for the world in 1844. In a letter to Joseph Bates, Mrs. White refers to the fact that by recounting her vision to a group of Adventists, she persuaded them to believe that the door of mercy was shut: At the time I had the vision of the midnight cry I had given it up in the past and thought it future, as also most of the band had. . . . After I had the vision and GOD gave me light, HE BADE ME DELIVER IT  to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I thought they would not receive it from me. . . . The view about the Bridegroom’s coming I had about the middle of February, 1845, while in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others. Many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. . . . The Lord worked in mighty power, setting the truth home to their hearts. . . . Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Letter B-3, 1847: Letter to Joseph Bates, July 13, 1847, White Estate


I HAVE A BRAIN IM MY HEAD! I CAN READ WHAT SHE SAID! SHE EVEN CONFIRMED GOD GAVE HER THE MESSAGE.

Why do you support this evil SDA church??

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #10 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 16:55:18 »
What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

Hi Rob

To be honest i believe its the direction of ERROR.
Then the direction is more like other world churches .


Correct!

The bible is clear on that! Satan is like a roaring lion in the last days seeking whom he can devour....

Many are called and few are chosen!! Many worship God in vain ! teaching doctrines of man rather of God. Matt 15: 8-9

I agree but they have know idea they are wrong and refuse to be told.

The BIBLE says to tell them in season or out of season...they hate that.

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #11 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 17:07:48 »
What actual direction is the SDA church promoting in our day and age ?? ::preachit::

Hi Rob

To be honest i believe its the direction of ERROR.
Then the direction is more like other world churches .


Correct!

The bible is clear on that! Satan is like a roaring lion in the last days seeking whom he can devour....

Many are called and few are chosen!! Many worship God in vain ! teaching doctrines of man rather of God. Matt 15: 8-9

I agree but they have know idea they are wrong and refuse to be told.

The BIBLE says to tell them in season or out of season...they hate that.

Are you an ex-SDA?

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #12 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 18:28:58 »
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I agree but they have know idea they are wrong and refuse to be told.
ROFL!

See an old copy of my bibliography at http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/David/bibliography.html -- that one has 260 items, I currently have 656 items.

Here's another bibliography of the sources I used in a Bible study: http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colbiblio.html

And what can the critics offer?  Nothing!  That's because they don't know how to study, period

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #13 on: Tue Mar 16, 2010 - 19:07:33 »
 Well I hope I am a genuine SDA but the others jumped ship in the 1970s but are still administration.
One must obey the rules.

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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #14 on: Sat Apr 03, 2010 - 15:55:59 »
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EGW has many true doctrines and few lies too!
She hasn't told any lies and the critics have lied over 55 times about her.

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She also said the door of salvation closed in Oct 1844 for all the living!
She did not.

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Why did she LIE?
You're the one who is telling the lie.  Ther question is why did you do that?  Did you think that we were so stupid that we wouldn't notice?  The bad news for you is that love the truth so much that  lie stick out like a sore thumb.

The door of salvation is forever SHUT Mrs. White taught that the door of salvation, or probation as she referred to it, had forever shut for the world in 1844. In a letter to Joseph Bates, Mrs. White refers to the fact that by recounting her vision to a group of Adventists, she persuaded them to believe that the door of mercy was shut: At the time I had the vision of the midnight cry I had given it up in the past and thought it future, as also most of the band had. . . . After I had the vision and GOD gave me light, HE BADE ME DELIVER IT  to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I thought they would not receive it from me. . . . The view about the Bridegroom’s coming I had about the middle of February, 1845, while in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others. Many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand. . . . The Lord worked in mighty power, setting the truth home to their hearts. . . . Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door. Letter B-3, 1847: Letter to Joseph Bates, July 13, 1847, White Estate


I HAVE A BRAIN IM MY HEAD! I CAN READ WHAT SHE SAID! SHE EVEN CONFIRMED GOD GAVE HER THE MESSAGE.

Why do you support this evil SDA church??


One has to present all of the evidence to have the complete understanding of this topic of the "shut door" in order to see what was really meant.   A fuller explanation would be in order and I will give it from the source itself written by the holy prophet, Ellen White.  One can clearly see that the true understanding of the term "shut door" is not as has been misinterpreted by many people.


THE "SHUT DOOR" DEFINED

    "It is claimed that these expressions prove the shut-door doctrine, and that this is the reason of their omission in later editions. But in fact they teach only that which has been and is still held by us as a people, as I shall show." 1SM 62.4
 
     "For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position."1SM 63.1
 
     "I am still a believer in the shut-door theory, but not in the sense in which we at first employed the term or in which it is employed by my opponents."1SM 63.2
 
     "There was a shut door in Noah's day. There was at that time a withdrawal of the Spirit of God from the sinful race that perished in the waters of the Flood. God Himself gave the shut-door message to Noah:
 
     "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years" (Genesis 6:3).  1SM 63.3, 4
 
     "There was a shut door in the days of Abraham. Mercy ceased to plead with the inhabitants of Sodom, and all but Lot, with his wife and two daughters, were consumed by the fire sent down from heaven."1SM 63.5
 
     "There was a shut door in Christ's day. The Son of God declared to the unbelieving Jews of that generation, 'Your house is left unto you desolate' (Matthew 23:38)."  1SM 63.6
 
    "Looking down the stream of time to the last days, the same infinite power proclaimed through John: 
 
     'These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth' (Revelation 3:7)."  1SM 63.7, 8
 
     "I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. All who saw the light of the first and second angels' messages and rejected that light, were left in darkness. And those who accepted it and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who afterward renounced their faith and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby rejected the Spirit of God, and it no longer pleaded with them."1SM 63.9
 
     "Those who did not see the light, had not the guilt of its rejection. It was only the class who had despised the light from heaven that the Spirit of God could not reach. And this class included, as I have stated, both those who refused to accept the message when it was presented to them, and also those who, having received it, afterward renounced their faith. These might have a form of godliness, and profess to be followers of Christ; but having no living connection with God, they would be taken captive by the delusions of Satan. These two classes are brought to view in the vision--those who declared the light which they had followed a delusion, and the wicked of the world who, having rejected the light, had been rejected of God. No reference is made to those who had not seen the light, and therefore were not guilty of its rejection."1SM 63.10
 
     "In order to prove that I believed and taught the shut-door doctrine, Mr. C gives a quotation from the Review of June 11, 1861, signed by nine of our prominent members. The quotation reads as follows: 
 
     "Our views of the work before us were then mostly vague and indefinite, some still retaining the idea adopted by the body of advent believers in 1844, with William Miller at their head, that our work for 'the world' was finished, and that the message was confined to those of the original advent faith. So firmly was this believed that one of our number was nearly refused the message, the individual presenting it having doubts of the possibility of his salvation because he was not in 'the '44 move.'"  1SM 64.2
 
     "To this I need only to add, that in the same meeting in which it was urged that the message could not be given to this brother, a testimony was given me through vision to encourage him to hope in God and to give his heart fully to Jesus, which he did then and there."  1SM 64.3


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Re: Forum for Seventh Day Adventists
« Reply #15 on: Tue Jan 11, 2011 - 10:46:15 »
I am amazed! Please don't Flog me too hard for coming here and Not purporting to be an SDA Member!!!!!!  although I was  and have great respect for them  ::tippinghat::

I discontinued going in part due to travel difficulties and in part due to the intolerance of Alcohol but I found it to be full of people who really cared for one another, and I still hold the true Sabbath not the counterfeit one!.

Back to Amazed! Why would Any one exclude people from their Forum when there are many amongst the folk that come to such forums who are Genuinely interested and for this reason it should be seized upon as a doorway Not exclusified! Surely, Freemasonry does this I do understand that it is opening the flood gates to Atheism! But it is the righteous answers that are Bantered back and forth that Satisfy the curiosities of those potential new Members, Are there any here afraid of the Good Fight?, Otherwise it is like unto a boy who keeps a secret in a Box and refuses to let any other boys see it, eventually they will grow to greatly dislike the Boy and disbelieve the contents of the box exists!, I could be wrong of course ::shrug::

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« Reply #16 on: Tue Jan 11, 2011 - 13:26:27 »
 I find you interesting..
BUT in JOHN 14:17 we have such a problem.
Those of the world cannot receive TRUTH unless they want to.
This divides you the real people from those that only say they are interested.
I could put up a BIBLE text now and show a miracle of those that cannot grasp it.
But the other side can do exactly the same.
That is why Aaron's rod that bussed ate up all the other s and let only TRUTH.

 

     
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