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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2010, 02:55:10 PM »
>Your popularity problems

Yeah, when the census bureau ask what denomination you belong to they come up with a higher number than we say we have.  Nice problem to have.

>air of spiritual superiority which should not exist within any church, SDA or otherwise. 

The RCC and a number of Protestant denominations teach that you cannot be saved unless you are a member of their church.  In the SDA church they teach that not even all SDA's will be saved and that there will be more members of other churches that will be saved than from the SDA church.  It isn't the SDA church that has "an air of spiritual superiority" about it.



Well if you are the "true" remnant of the church, but not all SDA's will be saved by being part of this "true" remnant, than exactly what is the advantage to being in an SDA church?  One is not saved by being in a denomination.  One is saved by accepting Jesus as their Savior.

You can say that the SDA church does not have an air of spiritual superiority about it, but the fact is, you are an ambassador of that church and every post you make to others outside your denomination is laced with arrogance.  So I would suggest that if you are really a good indicator of your churches general demeanor, then your church does indeed have an air of superiority to it.  If you are not indicitive of the average SDA member, then you need to either adjust your attitude to come more in line with desirable Christian behavior and humity, or stop posting, because you tarnish your church's character by your responses.

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2010, 03:06:23 PM »
>One is not saved by being in a denomination.  One is saved by accepting Jesus as their Savior.

Correct on both counts--this is taught in the SDA church.  The two biggest differences between us and other Protestant, mainline churches is that we teach the biblical doctrines of the IJ and the sanctuary.

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2012, 05:41:16 PM »
the word REST used in Hebrews 4   KATAPAUO  & KATAPAUSIS & SABBATISMOS word Study

EASTON DICTIONARY says the word “REST

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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2012, 05:21:30 AM »
The Sabbath is sign between Us and Our Father the Creator of Heaven and Earth and the Sea and all thats in them...

Exo 20:11  For in SIX DAYS the LORD “MADE
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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2012, 09:01:31 PM »
GNB version

Isa 56:6 And the LORD says to those “FOREIGNERS
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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2012, 09:23:51 PM »
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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 08:53:24 AM »
>Our Sabbath rest is in Christ.

That is correct.  As we say: when you physically rest on the Sabbath you show that you are resting in him spiritually.  In fact, the only way you can "keep the Sabbath holy" is to rest in Christ.

Only our Sabbath rest in Christ is never directed or commanded in physical terms, it is always defined in spiritual terms, 24-7.  SDA's hinge it on a day.

Mar_2:27  And he said unto them, The SABBATH was MADE for MAN(same word for ADAM, Mankind), and not man for the sabbath:
Mar_2:28  THEREFORE the Son of man is Lord also of the SABBATH.

Simply put, this should compel any child of God to Keep all his Commandments,   
Joh_14:15  If ye LOVE ME, keep MY COMMANDMENTS.
Joh_14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a “MAN

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2012, 04:42:55 PM »
The "LORD’S DAY" is clearly defined in the Bible as the SEVENTH DAY
Mark 2:28 "The SON of MAN is also LORD of the SABBATH.".
Exo 20:8-11 "The SEVENTH DAY is the SABBATH of the Lord your God ".
You just defined the Lord's Sabbath, NOT the DAY of the Lord.  That is the day of final judgement.

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2012, 12:13:18 PM »
The whole premise of the thread title and the original post go against the documented, written and published teaching of the SDA church.

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2012, 11:45:02 AM »

The "Sword" of the Word of God is it that "speaks" in Hebrews, especially in chapter 4, especially as "God THUS concerning the day The Seventh Day spake: And God, the day The Seventh Day from _ALL_, _his_, _WORKS_, RESTED."

God rested from all his works IN THAT "Jesus, had, given, them (The People of God), REST".

"Rest", therein and so that, "God after these things ( of the REST that God had given his People IN JESUS CHRIST and through HIM), shall not (again) speak of ANY OTHER 'day'-OF-SALVATION(-REST or salvation-opportunity)!" ...

"... THEREFORE [ara] ...
--- because of the once-for-all fact that "Jesus, had, given, them (The People of God), REST" ---

"... a keeping of The Sabbath Day [sabbat-ISMOS] ...

"... REMAINS VALID / OBLIGATORY / IS SUSTAINED ...

"... FOR, The People of God ...
--- specifically ---

".... BECAUSE OF / IN THAT / THROUGH THAT _HE_ ...
--- Jesus Christ ---

"... HIMSELF HAVING ENTERED UNTO [eiselthohn] ...

"... _HIS_ OWN REST as God-in-his-own."

Twice it is declared, "because Jesus had given them rest ...

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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2012, 11:49:48 AM »
Conclusion:

"Hebrews 4 reveals the Sabbath Day", CORRECT!


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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2012, 10:08:08 AM »
Conclusion:

"Hebrews 4 reveals the Sabbath Day", CORRECT!



It is obvious that, as you have stated elsewhere, you are not a Seventh-day Adventist or even a Former Seventh-day Adventist.

It is also evident that the SDA's on this board do not know the teachings of their own official publications.


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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2012, 12:32:21 PM »
Conclusion:

"Hebrews 4 reveals the Sabbath Day", CORRECT!



It is obvious that, as you have stated elsewhere, you are not a Seventh-day Adventist or even a Former Seventh-day Adventist.

It is also evident that the SDA's on this board do not know the teachings of their own official publications.



GE:

I conclude from your posts, you neither, "know the teachings of their official publications".

I only care about what is written. What is written in the KJV is alright as long as it is the same as in the Greek.

The KJV obviously is not in agreement with the Greek in Hebrews 4:9.

The 1611 edition's translators saw the Sabbath in that Scripture, so they manipulated it out.


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Re: Hebrews 4 Reveals the Sabbath Day
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2012, 11:45:04 PM »
>One is not saved by being in a denomination.  One is saved by accepting Jesus as their Savior.

Correct on both counts--this is taught in the SDA church.  The two biggest differences between us and other Protestant, mainline churches is that we teach the biblical doctrines of the IJ and the sanctuary.

GE:

One is not saved outside the Body of Christ's Own the Church. No headless person can live. And Christ is the head of the Church, of no individual separate from The People of God.

Therefore, WRONG on the first account.

NONE is saved by accepting Jesus as his or their Saviour.
One is saved by Jesus accepting the sinner - me, the sinner I am.

Therefore, WRONG, on both accounts.

BUT VERY TRUE, RIGHT,
The two biggest differences between SDAs and other Protestant, mainline churches is that SDAs teach the SDA doctrines of the IJ and the sanctuary.

I am glad you did not mention the Sabbath or its Doctrine.