How Did The Sabbath Day Change From The 7th Day To 1st Day Of The Week?

[kayakguy]

The Sabbath is observed from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night.
Saturday has been the seventh day of the week since before the Gregorian calendar.  This is commonly accepted as historical fact.
What exactly is your point?

It is my understanding that historically, according to Jewish custom the Jewish day has always been observed as starting at sundown Friday, so for them that is Saturday.

Something like there are languages that are read from right to left 

Exactly.  The Jewish day Sabbath starts at sundown on Friday night on the Gregorian calendar, and ends sundown Saturday night on the Gregorian calendar.  The Gregorian calendar marked a shift from a day being sundown to sundown, to morning to morning.  The 7 day structure didn't change, however, and Sabbath keeping is still done from sundown to sundown.

[Bocephus]

Jesus said in Mark 2:27: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

It is not, and never was meant to be a day where you couldn't walk more than a certain distance, or spit on a plant, or feed your animals.  The pharisees had twisted the Sabbath and become so extremely legalistic, that Jesus had to do something about it.

Where do you get all these definitions for rest and work?  The Sabbath is simply a day to set aside worldly concerns and focus on God, all the things He has made, and all the blessings He has given us.  We REST from the day in, day out stresses and concerns of this world.

I encourage you, before you get all hateful and judgmental, to attend a Sabbatarian church.  Give it a chance as a legitimate group of honest-to-God Christians who are doing their best according to the truth as they see it.

Us Lord's Day Adventists are also a "legitimate group of honest-to-God Christians who are doing their best according to the truth as they see it."

[Tantor]

1.) The 10 commandments do not apply today.. they were temporary and only applied as a condition of the of the old covenant instituted with Israel only.

2.) The 10 commandments were not perfect and as the Jews showed during Jesus ministry, they could be spun into many additional rules and tenets and bent to whatever the leaders of the day wanted them to mean.

3.) Jesus was asked about his 10 commandments during his ministry.. and rather then restate them.. he summarized them and removed all wiggle room and the ability to manipulate them into what man wanted them to say.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

4.) Jesus' clarrification and summary of the 10 commandments makes them obsolete because he has given us a much higher standard to live by.

In my humble opinion, those that would abide by the sabbath are taking the easy way out and are not abiding by Jesus' roll model and teachings during his ministry... instead of abiding by the new higher standard.. the would prefer to abide by the old weak standard so that their leaders can deceive them into thinking they are Holy and correct by following something they can see visually.

And as Paul stated.. Christianity is about conscience.. not about sight.

So go about your ways.. try and place people back in bondage of the old covenant which my savior suffered and died to fulfill... nullify his work and rest on your own laurels.  It's your decision... but you have my pity because you do not believe in Jesus work.

[kayakguy]

Jesus said in Mark 2:27: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

It is not, and never was meant to be a day where you couldn't walk more than a certain distance, or spit on a plant, or feed your animals.  The pharisees had twisted the Sabbath and become so extremely legalistic, that Jesus had to do something about it.

Where do you get all these definitions for rest and work?  The Sabbath is simply a day to set aside worldly concerns and focus on God, all the things He has made, and all the blessings He has given us.  We REST from the day in, day out stresses and concerns of this world.

I encourage you, before you get all hateful and judgmental, to attend a Sabbatarian church.  Give it a chance as a legitimate group of honest-to-God Christians who are doing their best according to the truth as they see it.

Us Lord's Day Adventists are also a "legitimate group of honest-to-God Christians who are doing their best according to the truth as they see it."

Which is why I honestly believe that there will be plenty of LDAs in heaven, just as in every other denomination.  I am not criticizing you for your beliefs, only stating mine.  Look at the site referenced in your signature and tell me the spirit that you see working there.  Is it geared towards building up the church, or tearing another part of it down?

to Tantor:
I don't see how we aren't abiding by Jesus's higher standard by following the law as described in Exodus.  His summary, love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself, sums up the 10 commandments perfectly.  the first 4 coincide with loving the Lord your God, and the last 6 are about loving your neighbor.  I fail to see how putting God first, abstaining from idol worship, not taking the Lord's name in vain, keeping the Sabbath instituted at creation, honoring your parents, not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying, and not coveting is in any way subscribing to a lower standard.

We don't think we are perfect because we keep the law.  People who do are not true Christians, no matter what denonmination they are in.  I put no weight in sites that say that Sunday worshipers will be destroyed in the fires of hell, just as I put no weight in sites like 'nonsda.org,'  which was created to attack my beliefs, complete with a banner across the top with pictures of angry or contemplative people to get their point across.  Seriously, and with all objectivity, go to some anti-adventist sites and just observe the spirit that is at work there, just as you observe the same spirit at work in the militant anti-Sunday sites.

Tantor, what do you have to say about Matthew 5:18?

[kayakguy]

I think that this is an endless theological discussion.  Everyone has to review both sides fairly, without personal bias or comfort in mind, and decide for themselves.

Ask the Holy Spirit to guide your studies.  Ask God to help you to see the truth for what it is, no matter how or if it conflicts with your weekly schedule or church/family traditions.  If the Sabbath is true, then your personal schedules and traditions are meaningless next to your responsibility to truth.  And if we really are 'free in Christ' to do things however we see fit, then great!  That definitely doesn't conflict with your life.

All I'm saying is to let the Holy Spirit guide you.  If God want's you to take the harder, narrower path, making excuses to take the easier route is what will land you at the business end of God's judgment.

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And before you comment on how biased I am, I agree!  These are my beliefs.  I have weighed both sides.  I have questioned my faith.  I have disregarded the Sabbath for a good chunk of my life, and I will never go back to my old ways.  I don't think it is bondage at all to have a special vacation from the cares of the world every week!  I don't want to criticize anyone for their beliefs, I just wish that they would come to see what I see.  God's rules aren't to enslave us, they are to help us live the happiest life possible, and the Sabbath is no exception in my book.
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[gospel]

1.) The 10 commandments do not apply today.. they were temporary and only applied as a condition of the of the old covenant instituted with Israel only.

Correct - Even if a person lived in Jesus day, if they were not a Jew born as a Jew the 10 Commandments would not have anything to do with them.
In fact they would get thrown out of a temple. More so they couldn't even step within the threshold of a Jewish home!!

2.) The 10 commandments were not perfect and as the Jews showed during Jesus ministry, they could be spun into many additional rules and tenets and bent to whatever the leaders of the day wanted them to mean.

Correct -There is no commandment to change our hearts. God is after a change of heart that's why the New Covenant is a Covenant of Grace and Love. Its a Heart thing, the Law has not been put aside but now it must be written on our hearts.
There was no way that could ever happen under the Law. The Law could only show us how far away from God we truly are without His constant guidance...hence now we have His presence within us and WE are His Temple!

3.) Jesus was asked about his 10 commandments during his ministry.. and rather then restate them.. he summarized them and removed all wiggle room and the ability to manipulate them into what man wanted them to say.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

Exactly!! People need to keep in mind He was speaking to people burdened and heavy laden under the Law, He was telling them the true purpose of the Law is Love and preparing them to receive the Gospel of the Kingdom of God! Peace with God!

4.) Jesus' clarification and summary of the 10 commandments makes them obsolete because he has given us a much higher standard to live by.

Hallelujah


Good post

[Tantor]

Christ Came to Fulfill the Law
 17(AB) "Do not think that I have come to abolish(AC) the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but(AD) to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you,(AE) until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19(AF) Therefore whoever relaxes(AG) one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least(AH) in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds(AI) that of the scribes and Pharisees, you(AJ) will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Christ did accomplish it all... so it did pass.

Context is everything.

[Johnb]

Do you still offer blood sacrifices today?   Why not?  Because Jesus is our sacrifice.  However, that was part of the law.  You can not pick and choose.  The law was nailed to the cross with Christ.  You can not content that we must keep the whole law then say part does not apply.

[Elaine]

Do you still offer blood sacrifices today?   Why not?  Because Jesus is our sacrifice.  However, that was part of the law.  You can not pick and choose.  The law was nailed to the cross with Christ.  You can not content that we must keep the whole law then say part does not apply.

Good point, as usual.  Thank you. :)

[Elaine]

3.) Jesus was asked about his 10 commandments during his ministry.. and rather then restate them.. he summarized them and removed all wiggle room and the ability to manipulate them into what man wanted them to say.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

4.) Jesus' clarrification and summary of the 10 commandments makes them obsolete because he has given us a much higher standard to live by.
   Tantor

Thank you for reminding me. 

[blituri]

Because the REST day was made for MAN it was to PROTECT all men FROM the superstitious religionists.

Justin Martyr dialog with Trypho, the Jew

http://www.piney.com/FathJustinDiaTrypho.html

b. c. 100, Flavia Neapolis, Palestine [now Nabulus]

d. c. 165, Rome [Italy]; feast day June 1

For the first day after the Sabbath, remaining the first of all the days, is called, however, the eighth, according to the number of all the days of the cycle, and [yet] remains the first.

We have nothing to do with sabbaths or the other Jewish festivals, much less with those of the heathen. We have our own solemnities, the Lord's day, for instance, and Pentecost." Tertullian (A.D. 220)

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Co.15:20

Ireneaus in 155-202 A.D. wrote: "The Mystery of the Lord's Resurrection may not be celebrated on any other day than the Lord's Day, and on this alone should we observe the breaking off of the Paschal Feast." We all know he resurrected the day after the Sabbath, the feasts of first fruits which establishes what the early church calls the LORD'S day. All these quotes prove the Church held Sunday as a significant day long before any edict in the 300's.

SABBATH never meant a day of WORSHIP but freedom FROM rituals.

Shabbath (h7676) shab-bawth'; intens. from 7673; intermission, i. e. (spec.) the Sabbath: - (/ every) sabbath.

Shabath (h7673) shaw-bath'; a prim. root; to repose, i. e. desist from exertion; used in many impl. relations (caus., fig. or spec.): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

H7674 shebeth sheh'-beth From H7673 ; rest, interruption, cessation: cease, sit still, loss of time.

THAT OUTLAWS ALL WORK

Ex 12:16 - And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

H5656 ab-o-daw', ab-o-daw' From H5647 ; work of any kind:act, bondage, + bondservant, effect, labour, ministering (-try), office, service (-ile, -itude), tillage, use, work, wrought.

The word SERVILE outlaws the type of service performed at the temple by the singers, musicians, porters or others engaged in animal sacrifice.

H5647bad aw-bad' bond-service, compel, do, dress, ear, execute, + husbandman, be wrought, worshipper.

WHAT YOU CANNOT DO

Melakkah (h4399)mel-aw-kaw'; from the same as 4397; prop. deputyship, i. e. ministry; gen. employment (never servile) or work (abstr. or concr.); also property (as the result of labor): - business, * cattle, * industrious, occupation, (* -pied), * officer, thing (made), use, (manner of) work ([man], -manship).

H4397 mal'k mal-awk' From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher): ambassador, angel, king, messenger

YOU are not permitted to do what the Levites did as the curse of the IMPOSED sacrificial system.

ESPECIALLY if those whom God OUTLAWED tell you to do it.

The Greek rest is PAUO which means STOP the laded burden which in both Greek and Hebrew speak of those arousal songs which by REPEATING are defined as enchantment or sorcery.  Liberty or REST means that YOU have the Christ-purchased right to JUST SAY NO if people want to USE you and abuse you with the hypocritic arts of preaching (not teaching), singing or playing instruments. They know that if THEY did not enchant you or charm you like a snake handler that YOU would not steal your child's health care and education money to FEED people who do what the SABBATH and the Lord's Day was intended to stop: Jesus firec the doctors of the law and there are no entertainers on the list of gifted people who do EDUCATION ONLY.

[larry2]

kayakguy - I still don't understand.  As far as I know, all 'Sabbath keepers' keep the same day.  If someone calls them self a Sabbath keeper, and doesn't keep that day, then they are obviously misled.  Could you clarify please?

And I don't think that sarcasm is a very Christ like way of going about this.  Just as I don't think that telling everyone they are going to hell for worshiping on the Sunday is either.

larry2 - I'm sorry you feel that saying what I believe is sarcasm; it is not meant to be. If God had a certain time that He rested, and it was 24 hours, it is a stretch to fit the needs of those observing that period of time when Australia observes it ahead of Jerusalem by nine hours if I have it straight.

Just to satisfy the needs of Sabbath Keepers, I understand that the international dateline was purposely set up in the middle of the ocean to not adversely affect any nation of having separate Sabbaths. It sure seems obvious to me that one or the other of those observing the Sabbath is not doing it at the correct time that God rested.

kayakguy - Everyone is saying that the Sabbath is a Jewish ceremonial law.

larry2 - When have you ever heard me say that? I have always quoted 2 Corinthians 3:7  But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8  How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
 
In Jesus' name

[blituri]

SABBATH means REST, Stop it. Cool it. Relax,

If you REST and do not impose WORK or COSTS to other people you cannot be wrong.

If you do WORSHIP or HARD BONDAGE on the REST DAY then you are stealing what God and all decent societies gave you.

If "Jesus Paid it all" then the BEST way to honor Him is not to IMPOSE added burdens which are defined as "arousal songs" and "an added tax not in time of war."  If you honor anyone: you LISTEN to them and rarely do a singing, clapping and gyrating ditty telling him how much you love him.

SABBATH day never meant WORSHIP day: SABBATH day means REST day.  The GOSPEL includes the command:

"Come to me all ye that LABOR and are heavey LADEN and I will give you REST.

Ana pauo (g373) an-up-ow'-o; from 303 and 3973; (reflex.) to repose (lit. or fig. [be exempt], remain); by impl. to refresh:- take ease, refresh, (give, take) rest.

Ana means "every one of you."

Pauo means restrain, quit, desist, come to an end, cease, leave, refrain. Rest from a thing such ad KLANGE or any sharp sound playinng of instruments, stop BLITURI. Stop singing or speaking
b. mostly of things, make an end of, stop, abate, stopped playing the lyre, stop! have done! be quiet!  Stop the dancing,  Stop the melody singing, chanting, choral song, tragic choruses,

He spoke, and took the mess in both his hands and set it down there before his feet on his miserable wallet. Then he ate so long as the minstrel sang in the halls. But when he had dined and the divine minstrel was ceasing to sing, [360] the wooers broke into uproar throughout the halls; but Athena drew close to the side of Odysseus, son of Laertes, and roused him to go among the wooers and gather bits of bread, and learn which of them were righteous and which lawless. Yet even so she was not minded to save one of them from ruin. [365] So he set out to beg of every man, beginning on the right, stretching out his hand on every side, as though he had been long a beggar

[davidandme]

Do you still offer blood sacrifices today?   Why not?  Because Jesus is our sacrifice.  However, that was part of the law.  You can not pick and choose.  The law was nailed to the cross with Christ.  You can not content that we must keep the whole law then say part does not apply.

There is a big difference between the Ten Commandments and all the other ceremonial laws.  The principles of the Ten Commandments have always existed and they always will.  Sin has existed in this universe well before this world was even created.  For a definition of what sin is please read 1John 3:4  God bless.

[bro.tan]

1.) The 10 commandments do not apply today.. they were temporary and only applied as a condition of the of the old covenant instituted with Israel only.

2.) The 10 commandments were not perfect and as the Jews showed during Jesus ministry, they could be spun into many additional rules and tenets and bent to whatever the leaders of the day wanted them to mean.

3.) Jesus was asked about his 10 commandments during his ministry.. and rather then restate them.. he summarized them and removed all wiggle room and the ability to manipulate them into what man wanted them to say.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

4.) Jesus' clarrification and summary of the 10 commandments makes them obsolete because he has given us a much higher standard to live by.

In my humble opinion, those that would abide by the sabbath are taking the easy way out and are not abiding by Jesus' roll model and teachings during his ministry... instead of abiding by the new higher standard.. the would prefer to abide by the old weak standard so that their leaders can deceive them into thinking they are Holy and correct by following something they can see visually.

And as Paul stated.. Christianity is about conscience.. not about sight.

So go about your ways.. try and place people back in bondage of the old covenant which my savior suffered and died to fulfill... nullify his work and rest on your own laurels.  It's your decision... but you have my pity because you do not believe in Jesus work.

2.) The 10 commandments were not perfect and as the Jews showed during Jesus ministry, they could be spun into many additional rules and tenets and bent to whatever the leaders of the day wanted them to mean.

Look like David disagree

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether

Paul said in Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good

3.) Jesus was asked about his 10 commandments during his ministry.. and rather then restate them.. he summarized them and removed all wiggle room and the ability to manipulate them into what man wanted them to say.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus also said in Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Looks like the commandments to me, understand when Jesus said in Mark 12:30 - And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Mark 12:31 - And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.   

Now lets go to James and get some understandering what we reading here.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Notice James said the word "IF" ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture...what is the scriptures. The Old testament (Exodus 20 chapter) from Genesis to Malachi. So you have to fulfill the royal law first, then you will be able to love thy neighbour as thyself.

Which is the Ten commandments, James continue to break it down for you.