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All sorts of interesting question have been asked about the SDA. 

Here is another that I found for the SDA experts who post here......


On page 62 of the Seventh-day Advenitst Church Manual there is a list of “REASONS FOR DISCIPLINE”

The section states:

CHURCH MANUAL
Reasons for Discipline
The reasons for which members SHALL be subject to discipline are:

1. Denial of faith in the fundamentals of the gospel and in the fundamental beliefs of the Church or teaching doctrines contrary to the same.
2. Violation of the law of God, such as worship of idols, murder, stealing, profanity, gambling, Sabbathbreaking, and willful and habitual falsehood.


Please NOTE that the word “”SHALL”” as it appears in the above section of the SDA Church manual means “WILL WITHOUT FAIL”.

How does the SDA church define “sabbathbreaking” in order to determine IF a member has broken the sabbath and are thus subject to the discipline of the Church?

Where does a person find the criteria by which that “sabbath breaker” would be judged by the Church?

Please provide an itemized list with supporting Bible texts.

http://cc.adventist.org/wp-content/u...15_updated.pdf

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It would probably be up to the local congregations to address any such situation. The conferences already won't address many issues which need to be firmly dealt with. They apparently do not agree with your definition of the word shall. The worst that could happen of course is disfellowship. SDA's have never been like Sunday keepers on this point, in bringing their punishments or penalties for sabbath breaking into the public realm through civil legislation. With penalties varying from paying fines to death for doing so. The following links are regarding the history of such.

http://www.reformedreader.org/puritans/sabbath.puritan.newengland/sabbath.puritan.newengland.chapter17.htm

http://www.archive.org/stream/criticalhisto00lewi#page/n15/mode/2up

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Since you say that it is up to the local congregation to administer the discipline, where is the denominations criteria for the local congregation to follow?

The directive to discipline members for sabbath breaking is a world wide, denomination wide imperative demanded by the Highest authority that God had on earth — the General Conference  - and that authority is described by their prophet. 

And it isn’t that they disagree with the proper definition that I provided for the word SHALL. 

THEY JUST IGNORE IT. 

I never asked about penalties.  Why do you bring in that red herring. 

AND why do you bring in the red herring of ‘civil legislation’?

What I am asking about is ECCLESIASTICAL LEGISLATION. 

PLEASE DON’T ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT. 



It would probably be up to the local congregations to address any such situation. The conferences already won't address many issues which need to be firmly dealt with. They apparently do not agree with your definition of the word shall. The worst that could happen of course is disfellowship. SDA's have never been like Sunday keepers on this point, in bringing their punishments or penalties for sabbath breaking into the public realm through civil legislation. With penalties varying from paying fines to death for doing so. The following links are regarding the history of such.

http://www.reformedreader.org/puritans/sabbath.puritan.newengland/sabbath.puritan.newengland.chapter17.htm

http://www.archive.org/stream/criticalhisto00lewi#page/n15/mode/2up

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Since you say that it is up to the local congregation to administer the discipline, where is the denominations criteria for the local congregation to follow?

The directive to discipline members for sabbath breaking is a world wide, denomination wide imperative demanded by the Highest authority that God had on earth — the General Conference  - and that authority is described by their prophet. 

And it isn’t that they disagree with the proper definition that I provided for the word SHALL. 

THEY JUST IGNORE IT. 

I never asked about penalties.  Why do you bring in that red herring. 

AND why do you bring in the red herring of ‘civil legislation’?

What I am asking about is ECCLESIASTICAL LEGISLATION. 

PLEASE DON’T ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

Please do not attempt to manipulate or control how I will respond to your posts, it is a waste of time. Civil legislation is not a red herring CO2. You come to these boards to attack SDA doctrine and or practice as you have for years now. Any point you would make about Sabbath keeping denomination's rules or regs. concerning sabbath observance and or disfellowship for the same is moot. It is the perfect right of all denominations to make their own rules and regs. as long as the only penalty for not keeping them is disfellowship from said denomination. You obviously have a bone to pick with SDA's on this point, but what does that mean to me or any sabbath keeper while you will not even address the wrong of those who would force their own sabbath day upon all through civil legislation? NOTHING! Your point is moot and most obviously hypocritically bias. Why should any concern themselves with such?

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I would never attempt to manipulate or control how you respond to any post. 

I will simply point out your dodging of the question and your obfuscation of the issue and your attempts to change the subject. 



Please do not attempt to manipulate or control how I will respond to your posts, it is a waste of time. Civil legislation is not a red herring CO2. You come to these boards to attack SDA doctrine and or practice as you have for years now. Any point you would make about Sabbath keeping denomination's rules or regs. concerning sabbath observance and or disfellowship for the same is moot. It is the perfect right of all denominations to make their own rules and regs. as long as the only penalty for not keeping them is disfellowship from said denomination. You obviously have a bone to pick with SDA's on this point, but what does that mean to me or any sabbath keeper while you will not even address the wrong of those who would force their own sabbath day upon all through civil legislation? NOTHING! Your point is moot and most obviously hypocritically bias. Why should any concern themselves with such?

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You have never told us who is forcing you to stop observance of any day of the Roman week. 



Please do not attempt to manipulate or control how I will respond to your posts, it is a waste of time. Civil legislation is not a red herring CO2. You come to these boards to attack SDA doctrine and or practice as you have for years now. Any point you would make about Sabbath keeping denomination's rules or regs. concerning sabbath observance and or disfellowship for the same is moot. It is the perfect right of all denominations to make their own rules and regs. as long as the only penalty for not keeping them is disfellowship from said denomination. You obviously have a bone to pick with SDA's on this point, but what does that mean to me or any sabbath keeper while you will not even address the wrong of those who would force their own sabbath day upon all through civil legislation? NOTHING! Your point is moot and most obviously hypocritically bias. Why should any concern themselves with such?

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You have never told us who is forcing you to stop observance of any day of the Roman week.

I do not contend that anyone is. Such is a future event.

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I would never attempt to manipulate or control how you respond to any post. 

I will simply point out your dodging of the question and your obfuscation of the issue and your attempts to change the subject.

I'm not dodging any question, I simply am not interested in any list of do's and don'ts for Sabbath observance by any denomination. I have never asked to see or been shown such a list, and have no desire to see such. My personal relationship with God on His Sabbath day or any other will never be dictated by a list composed by someone else. Go to, find someone who cares. Or simply present the list yourself, surely you can find that which you claim to exist. You are the one so concerned with it. Present it, and make your point. Nevertheless, unless you are going to openly condemn the same kind of rules and regs. in Sunday keeping denominations and most certainly the civil legislation of Sunday keepers, any point you might make is moot. 

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Well that is a dodge with a claim of not dodging the question.   So now your Dodge is the ‘not interested in a list’ model - that is new for 2019.  What options come with that Dodge?  Does it have a steering wheel?  How about a spare tire and signal lights so we know when you are going to turn a corner? 



I'm not dodging any question, I simply am not interested in any list of do's and don'ts for Sabbath observance by any denomination. I have never asked to see or been shown such a list, and have no desire to see such. My personal relationship with God on His Sabbath day or any other will never be dictated by a list composed by someone else. Go to, find someone who cares. Or simply present the list yourself, surely you can find that which you claim to exist. You are the one so concerned with it. Present it, and make your point. Nevertheless, unless you are going to openly condemn the same kind of rules and regs. in Sunday keeping denominations and most certainly the civil legislation of Sunday keepers, any point you might make is moot.

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Well that is a dodge with a claim of not dodging the question.   So now your Dodge is the ‘not interested in a list’ model - that is new for 2019.  What options come with that Dodge?  Does it have a steering wheel?  How about a spare tire and signal lights so we know when you are going to turn a corner?

Yea that's the ticket CO2. You really have me on the run now. I just don't know what to do. So I'll just keep dodging and evading I guess, according to your version of reality. So be it.

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Since you haven’t been able to provide any authoritative list of criteria, Thank you for acknowledging your activity on this thread.


Yea that's the ticket CO2. You really have me on the run now. I just don't know what to do. So I'll just keep dodging and evading I guess, according to your version of reality. So be it.

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Since you haven’t been able to provide any authoritative list of criteria, Thank you for acknowledging your activity on this thread.

Apparently, I'm the only one interested in addressing this thread at all. Just not interested enough to waste time looking for a list of do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

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All you have done is dodge the question - by your own admission in the quote below. 

Apparently, I'm the only one interested in addressing this thread at all. Just not interested enough to waste time looking for a list of do's and don'ts on the Sabbath.

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All you have done is dodge the question - by your own admission in the quote below.

Of course I have, you said so didn't you.

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All sorts of interesting question have been asked about the SDA. 

Here is another that I found for the SDA experts who post here......


On page 62 of the Seventh-day Advenitst Church Manual there is a list of “REASONS FOR DISCIPLINE”

The section states:

CHURCH MANUAL
Reasons for Discipline
The reasons for which members SHALL be subject to discipline are:

1. Denial of faith in the fundamentals of the gospel and in the fundamental beliefs of the Church or teaching doctrines contrary to the same.
2. Violation of the law of God, such as worship of idols, murder, stealing, profanity, gambling, Sabbathbreaking, and willful and habitual falsehood.


Please NOTE that the word “”SHALL”” as it appears in the above section of the SDA Church manual means “WILL WITHOUT FAIL”.

How does the SDA church define “sabbathbreaking” in order to determine IF a member has broken the sabbath and are thus subject to the discipline of the Church?

Where does a person find the criteria by which that “sabbath breaker” would be judged by the Church?

Please provide an itemized list with supporting Bible texts.

http://cc.adventist.org/wp-content/u...15_updated.pdf

Its much like what criteria would you find for "stealing" or "adultery", I think anyone with common sense could figure that out.