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Offline Hobie

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How does one begin to explain the connection between the pagan sun worship and paganizing of the true worship of God and His only begotten Son?

To begin with,  the sun god of the Persians was Mithras and subsequent empires including the Roman Empire through the 4th century. During the 4th century, Mithras "mysteriously" vanished and Roman "Christianity" began. A Christianity not like that of the 1st century; but, a polluted, corrupt "Christianity" lacking few Mithraic rituals.

Mithras was invoked in the inscriptions of the Biblical Artaxerxes, king of Babylon: making Mithras one of the pagan gods that God had warned His chosen people to beware of. Christ had come and defeated Satan by personally paying repentant man’s death penalty for the transgression of God’s laws - the penalty He, Himself, had established at the time of creation. And yet, in the 4th century, by way of a Satanic "if you can’t beat em join em" deception, a blend of the worship of God and the worship of pagan gods was officially proclaimed as "Christianity" by the Roman Empire.

As the gospel spread throughout the nations; and the persecution of true believers proved to be ineffective, Satan, the author of confusion, began his final assault on the truth - the truth that "sin is the transgression of the law" and that the penalty is death.

The graven images of the pagan deities, given "Christian" titles, attempted to void the 2nd commandment. And the Sunday observance of "Deis Solis", the day of the sun attempted to void the 4th commandment. Attempted only, for Christ had proclaimed "till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law."

The Persians had overthrown Babylon and picked up many of the gods and religious practices of the conquered people. The Medo-Persians added to the religious rites and ceremonies of the Babylonians and the cult of Mithraism with its seven levels of initiation formed a cornerstone of the system of sun worship.When the Persians were defeated by Alexander the Great, Mithraism began to spread throughout the Greek Empire.

The Medo-Persians conquered Babylon, but the Babylonian system of worship was not destroyed, merely refined. Similarly, when Greece conquered the Medo-Persian Empire, the names of the gods changed but the system of worship remained essentially the same, and the same deities were worshipped in Rome under a different garb.

 It was one of the principle aims of Alexander to spread the Greek culture and philosophy throughout his realm. They picked up Mithraism, and the religion of Greece added many refinements, rites and ceremonies to the earthly systems of worship.

The Roman Empire conquered Greece and other lands were Mithraism had spread from Greek culture and had power to control world events. They would thus incorporate aspects and refinements of all the religious systems of history and especially Mithraism as it evolved through the years and became influential in the rise of paganism worship in Roman culture.

Many attributes of the Babylonian pagan worship and Persian worship found its way into the church at Rome, some were substitutes for the true worship as in the pagan religion. The ancient Chaldeans of Babylon worshipped a pantheon of male and female gods representing the sun god. There were largely three aspects to this system of sun worship, representing the father, mother, and the son. These were the god Bel (Baal) or Merodach, Ninus the son, who was also worshipped as Tammuz, and the female goddess Rhea who was also worshipped as Ishtar, Astarte, or Beltis representing the mother. She was also referred to as the ‘queen of heaven’, and the ‘wrath subduer’. Mother and child worship was the basis of the ancient religions.


As the power of pagan Rome declined, the power of papal Rome increased as the church accumulated more and more power and influence. When the emperor Constantine accepted the veneer of Christianity and Paganism and Christianity blended into one, Rome became the religious capital of the world. Abbot's Roman History, p.236 declares:

"..The transfer of the emperor's residence to Constantinople was a sad blow to the prestige of Rome, and at the time one might have predicted her speedy decline. But the development of the Church, and the growing authority of the Bishop of Rome, or the pope, gave her a new lease on life, and made her again the capital (this time the religious capital) of the world...."

From 538 A.D., when the emperor Justinian issued a decree, proclaiming the pope to be supreme in religious matters he assumed the garb of representative of Jesus Christ on earth. When Constantine moved his seat to Constantinople, the popes inherited the power of the Roman emperors - their prestige, the pagan religious beliefs, and even their titles. The most significant of such titles was that of 'Pontifex Maximus' a pagan title for 'Bridgebuilder between Heaven and Earth'. Moreover, the Roman clergy also wore the same vestments of the priests of Dagon, the fish-god. The fishhead mitre, worn by bishops and popes is also the same as the ancient mitre used by the priesthood of Babylon. The keys of the pagan female and male god figures have also become a symbol of the papacy, as are his staff, which is the symbol of the snake, and was carried by ancient emperors from Babylonian through Egyptian to Roman times.

The most prominent form of worship in Babylon was dedicated to Dagon, later known as Ichthys, or the fish. In Chaldean times, the head of the church was the representative of Dagon, he was considered to be infallible, and was addressed as ‘Your Holiness’. Moreover, the vestments of paganism, the fish mitre and robes of the priests of Dagon were picked up and are worn by the Catholic bishops, cardinals and popes.

The papacy claims the right to apostolic succession, and claims that its system of worship has been handed down through tradition, yet the traditions are the traditions of Babylon, and have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus. Roman Catholic doctrines such as infant baptism, sprinkling of babies during baptism, teachings on death and immortality, prayers to the dead and to relics, repetitive prayers by the use of beads, doctrines on forgiveness of sins, teachings on hell, the mass, and Sunday worship are doctrines derived directly from ancient Babylon.

When Constantine married paganism and Christianity, the door was opened for false doctrines and pagan sun worship to creep into the church, and they were gradually introduced into the system, and pushed aside the truths the apostles had given the church directly from Christ...."

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And then there was that awful Saturn worship....

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I think the true worship has always had to contend with Satans parallel false worship and you can see it all through history.

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And then there was that awful Saturn worship....
There was no worship of Saturn in the Garden of Eden on the seventh day of creation.

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That's true: God RESTED on the seventh day: Why?

Why, because ALL of the Babylonians worshipped the SUN on the evil SEVENTH DAY.  Sabbath does not means seventh but REST.  Rest excludes WORK which excludes even "sending out ministers of God."

If God commanded the people to REST on the seventh day that would prevent them from attending the SUN GOD WORSHIP. All of the sun or planetary "gods" were worshipped on the SEVENTH DAY. That was also true of Mithras.   Remember in Acts 7 that Stephen was murdered for telling the Jews that their law and their temple was a curse and not a command: it was added because of the musical worship of the Egyptian trinity.

Notice that God had given them The Book of The Covenant before their fall from grace by "worshiping on the sabbath" instead of RESTING on the Sabbath. Christ speaks through the prophets and not through the Law.

I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; Ezekiel 20: 23

Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers idols. Ezekiel 20: 24

The tablets were broken because of musical idolatry on the sabbath and never restated in that pure form. The Law of Moses was to regulated a Civil-Military-Priestly complex now abandoned to WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST.  The Seventh Day which was regulated by Sabazeanism or star worship rather than just resting AFTER you had worked six days.


Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; Ezekiel 20: 25

And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord. Ezekiel 20: 26


Jacob had issued a law in Genesis 49 which cursed LEVI and commanded the people NOT to attend their assemblies.  God protected the people from the nobility by forcing a day of REST. The people attended synagogue or church in the wilderness for EDUCATION ONLY and outlawed "vocal or instrumental rejoicing" which word also outlaws high-sounding rhetoric. To guard the school of the Bible God commanded that they PREACH the word by READING the word each Sabbath.

I have posted a few quick notes on Exodus 32 because our witches are trying to restore this as a PATTERNISM for Christian Worship:

http://www.piney.com/Exodus.32.html

What is it to pollute or profane the SABBATH which Christians guard against by gathering on the FIRST day of the week?  Here is a list of words to choose from but we know that the PLAY word means the musical worship of the STAR AND SUN GODS and that is what God abandoned them to do until they destroyed themselves.


Christians are FREE to REST on the SEVENTH DAY even when they don't follow the COMMAND to work six days. The REST was commanded only because of the Babylonish sacrificial system "perfected" at the Temple.  The Babylonian clergy (agents of the gods) RESTED on the seventh day and forced others to assemble to tithe, act as singers, musicians, cooks, exorcists and prostitutes: The agents of the gods got all of the GOODIES dedicated to the gods. Jehovah noted of the Babylonish Jews: "You offer the sacrifices to me but YOU eat the flesh."

No one changed day of worship: The Mithras mostly warriors got the SABBATH of to eat, drink and be merry. When Constantine gave an ADDITIONAL day of rest to the Christians they never changed their day of reading the Word and observing the Lord's Supper which is the only thing commanded by Christ beginning in the wilderness.

SDA are not worshiping today which means only "to give heed to the Word of God" but are holding RELIGIOUS SERVICES in imitation of ALL of the SUN GOD worshipers.  That is to PREVENT its members from KEEPING (in prison) the Sabbath by remaining at home and resting.  After working all week and barely having the spiritual energe to exclaim "TGIF" you PUNISH them by making them attend to support the clergy class.





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That's true: God RESTED on the seventh day: Why?

Why, because ALL of the Babylonians worshipped the SUN on the evil SEVENTH DAY.

The alleged answer to the question of "Why?" could only be true if you don't take the Bible at its own word.  It tells you the answer in verse 2-3 of Gen. 2.

For the first 5 centuries (at least) most Christians kept the Sabbath.  They did so in India till the 1540's and in Ethiopia till about 1600.

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Gen. 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
        and he rested on the seventh day
        from all his work which he had made.
Gen. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it:
        because that in it he had rested from all his
        work which God created and made.

THE LATIN

Requiesco to rest one's self, to rest, repose, to let rest; to stop, stay, arrest, lay fallow

Opus  Outlaws

ORATO  II. In partic., formal language, artificial discourse, set speech (opposite to sermo, ordinary speech, conversational language) A. The power of oratory, eloquence [poetic], employment, public works, a Job, occupation,


This confirms to the Hebrew for the Church which is for Bible teaching only: it is exclusive of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or for rhetorical forms of speech.

Here is an example from the literature.

Cicero 1. Cic. Off. 1.1 My dear son Marcus, you have now been studying 1 a full year under Cratippus, and that too in Athens, and you should be fully equipped with the practical precepts and the principles of philosophy; so much at least one might expect from the pre-eminence not only of your teacher but also of the city; the former is able to enrich you with learning, the latter to supply you with models. Nevertheless, just as I for my own improvement have always combined Greek and Latin studies—and I have done this not only in the study of philosophy but also in the practice of oratory—so I recommend that you should do the same, so that you may have equal command of both languages. And it is in this very direction that I have, if I mistake not, rendered a great service to our countrymen, so that not only those who are unacquainted with Greek literature but even the cultured consider that they have gained much both in oratorical power and in mental training.

Work outlaws:

Contentio  I. an eager stretching, a straining, exertion of the powers of body or mind, tension, effort, a vigorous struggling or striving for something, a struggle after, 1. Labored, formal speech (opp. talk, conversation),

a. In rhetoric, a contrasting of one thought with another, antithesis,  Disputation computing, calculating, reasoning.


This is outlawed in Romans14 so the synagogue can take place in Romans 15. There, Paul outlaws self-pleasure which includes all of the performing arts and crafts. Not only is using the "hypocritic arts" a violation of Law, it is an affront to the command to speak "that which is written" or the "Word of Christ."

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
       hath in every city
       them that preach him,
       being read in the synagogues
       every sabbath day.

The direct command to SPEAK is the opposite of or music which INTENDS to silence the voice of the vitim.

Christ did not instruct us through the Law of Moses or that period of the Monarchy where they violated the Law and worshipped the starry host: always on the SEVENTH DAY.

In Isaiah 55 He defines the LIVING WATERS as the Words of God: you cannot get those by getting a degree in Spiritual Formation.  Then the TRUE Sabbath confirms what the Jews did when they profaned the REST day by musical worship but the PATTERN established by God in the creation account:

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath,
      from doing thy pleasure on my holy day;
      and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
      and shalt honour him,
           not doing thine own ways,
           nor finding thine own pleasure,
           nor speaking thine own words:
Is. 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

I doubt that you can find by SIGHT or SOUND anyone on the seventh or first day who KNOWS or CARES that they are PROFANING the REST day: profaning being that musical word defining "as Lucifer was cast out of heaven."

There was no command to WORSHIP on the REST day but you worshipped (worked)
You will REST on the first day which is the first day of WORK.


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There was no command to WORSHIP on the REST day but you worshipped (worked)

ROFL!  You're either a lawyer or a philosophy major.  Good luck trying that line on the judgment day.

Try thinking it through: if what you say is true, then why didn't Jesus point it out?  Even His enemies didn't make such an argument.

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I am certain that you will find a passage where the spiritual people worshipped on the Sabbath.

The cursed Levites PROFANED the Sabbath making loud noise (not called music) while they sacrificed animals.  However, they had been abandoned to worship the starry host including the SUN on the sabbath and they were already beyond redemption.

Those who slaughtered animals and those who "made the lambs dumb before the slaughter" are NOT said to have worshipped which usually meant to fall on your face.

The word SABBATH means REST FROM the regular pagan seventh day rituals.  I am going to post on the other challenge because I could use the faithfully promised money if I could prove something.

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Try thinking it through: if what you say is true, then why didn't Jesus point it out?

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Do you reject the early Martyrs of the Christian Church (previous to 325 A.D.)?

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As a Catholic, I read the OP with amusement and disgust.   Sun worship?  Mithras?  One thing about us Catholics, we are a well documented Church. 2,000 years of saints and martyrs, theologians and preachers, the writings of and biographies, almost all of which anyone can access via the Internet these days.  In all of that the center of our faith has always been Christ.  Walk into any Catholic Church on the planet and you will see at the end of every center aisle an image of Christ.  No Mithras or pagan "gods".  No worship except that testified to by the two thousand years of Christian faith.  The Mass has always been the center of Catholic worship.  Every Mass since before the New Testament was complete has been exactly as Paul described it's proper order in his letter to the Corinthians.   We celebrate the proclamation of the Word, the public reading of the Bible and preach it's message to the faithful.  We honorably celebrate the Lord's Supper at Holy Eucharist with sober dignity in understanding that we partake of the Body and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.  That is Catholic worship, not some hair-brained loony charge of "sun worship" or "pagan gods".  What foolishness!   ::frown::

No sun worship here...

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Try thinking it through: if what you say is true, then why didn't Jesus point it out?
But He did.

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Try thinking it through: if what you say is true, then why didn't Jesus point it out?
But He did.

Christ never claimed the kinds of things that blituri is saying, period.

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Ken put a lot of text up there, and I'm not gonna fiddle with all the history or any obscure quotations.  I was just referring to the main point I saw - that Saturday was marked for rest, and not for worship.

Jesus did say that.  "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

It's a paradigm thing.  There are only two ways to look at it, AFAIK.  Either the Sabbath is (1) a day for us to serve God, or (2) a day for us to rest.  You cannot rest and serve at the same time, so it has to be one or the other.

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Jesus did say that.  "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

What Christ was talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with the stuff bliture has been saying.

We are never to make a doctrine based on one text.  See also Lev. 23:3.

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Either the Sabbath is (1) a day for us to serve God, or (2) a day for us to rest.

Note that Christ did both on the Sabbath.  It is not an either/or (a false, unbiblical dichotomy), it is a both/and--that's what Jesus was trying to teach.

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Jesus did say that.  "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

What Christ was talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with the stuff bliture has been saying.

We are never to make a doctrine based on one text.  See also Lev. 23:3.

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Either the Sabbath is (1) a day for us to serve God, or (2) a day for us to rest.

Note that Christ did both on the Sabbath.  It is not an either/or (a false, unbiblical dichotomy), it is a both/and--that's what Jesus was trying to teach.
Actually, I agree with you.  I was wrong about the point of that passage.

I still think Ken has a point though.  Sabbath wasn't made for mandated worship services, but for taking a break from work and kickin it with the guys.

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but for taking a break from work

And worshipping the God who made you.

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That would be a no.

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What Christ was talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with the stuff bliture has been saying.

We are never to make a doctrine based on one text.  See also Lev. 23:3.

Note that Christ did both on the Sabbath.  It is not an either/or (a false, unbiblical dichotomy), it is a both/and--that's what Jesus was trying to teach.

Actually, I agree with you.  I was wrong about the point of that passage.

I still think Ken has a point though.  Sabbath wasn't made for mandated worship services, but for taking a break from work and kickin it with the guys.
The problem you have is the big question, so who mandated 'Sunday' worship service...nothing from Christ or the Apostles or scripture..but a lot from pagan history.

 

     
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