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Immigration over conversion
« on: Sat May 28, 2016 - 19:09:51 »
One proved method of Romanizing states and countries without conversions as the primary source, is through massive immigration. This method of course is greatly assisted by and somewhat dependent upon said religion being carried on more by tradition than conversions. That is a membership which people are simply born into rather than born again into. Thus the children of all members are members as well by birth. It is helpful of course for this type of religion to represent all attempts at birth control as sin, since said religion is dependent upon new borns to replenish the ranks. There have been several massive immigrations of Roman Catholics to this nation since its inception, and this is still going on. All of course encouraged and even facilitated by the Roman Catholic church. The following article is just more of the latest concerning the south.

http://wwrn.org/articles/45906/

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #1 on: Sat May 28, 2016 - 20:19:44 »
A method that Islam embraces as well.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #2 on: Sun May 29, 2016 - 07:52:31 »
A method that Islam embraces as well.

Yes, just imagine what will happen when they fully embrace each other. Rome has established the hate crimes bill through her puppet politicians, and Islam keeps murdering and rioting whenever anyone speaks truthfully about their prophet. Soon it will be considered a hate crime to speak the truth about Islam and Rome. It used to e illegal to speak ill of Rome, she used to kill those who did, but she lost this power. Now she has a puppet religion and people to help reestablish the removal of freedom of speech, for our own protection of course. God's people will soon lose the right to speak the truth about false religions, because it might cause someone else to become violent, and the blame will be placed upon them for telling the truth. This will of course benefit the largest religions such as Roman Catholicism and Islam more than the many other smaller religions.



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Re: Immigration over conversion
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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #6 on: Sun Jun 05, 2016 - 10:11:09 »
And THIS TOPIC is SDA theology/doctrine????
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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #7 on: Sun Jun 05, 2016 - 18:28:53 »
Same as the other. All part of the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #8 on: Tue Jun 07, 2016 - 17:54:31 »
The following page is an interesting article regarding the subject of this thread.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/five-three/simcox.pdf

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Re: Immigration over conversion
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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #10 on: Tue Jun 07, 2016 - 19:23:48 »
If the Catholic Church somehow ceased to exist, were that possible, so would the SDA sect because they would have no angry platform any longer to rile up their membership and give them a "mission".

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #11 on: Tue Jun 07, 2016 - 19:44:57 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #12 on: Wed Jun 08, 2016 - 04:31:14 »
If the Catholic Church somehow ceased to exist, were that possible, so would the SDA sect because they would have no angry platform any longer to rile up their membership and give them a "mission".

You do realize don't you, that none of the articles provided on this thread, are from SDA sources? That being the case, we are certainly not the only one's making such observations. Apart from which, there is always the basic fact that, 2+2 does equal 4.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #13 on: Wed Jun 08, 2016 - 08:55:49 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

In other words, I am correct.

The ones who "refuse to speak" on the subject appear to be not really SDA at all according to what you say: they don't speak because of "the power of Rome" apparently.  Otherwise they would be speaking, I guess, if they were really doing the "SDA thing".

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #14 on: Fri Jun 10, 2016 - 11:46:19 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

In other words, I am correct.

The ones who "refuse to speak" on the subject appear to be not really SDA at all according to what you say: they don't speak because of "the power of Rome" apparently.  Otherwise they would be speaking, I guess, if they were really doing the "SDA thing".

The SDA church is commissioned to give the Three Angel's Messages to this world. It is not possible to give said messages without addressing the power of Rome. She is right in the middle of all of the messages. The message will be given whether SDA's give it or not. If they won't give it, they will be replaced. Rome is not forcing anyone to remain silent at present, her deceptive intrigues are having their effect though. Apart from this, natural human apathy, indifference, and laziness are having their usual effect as well.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #15 on: Fri Jun 10, 2016 - 11:48:47 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

In other words, I am correct.

The ones who "refuse to speak" on the subject appear to be not really SDA at all according to what you say: they don't speak because of "the power of Rome" apparently.  Otherwise they would be speaking, I guess, if they were really doing the "SDA thing".

The SDA church is commissioned to give the Three Angel's Messages to this world. It is not possible to give said messages without addressing the power of Rome. She is right in the middle of all of the messages. The message will be given whether SDA's give it or not. If they won't give it, they will be replaced. Rome is not forcing anyone to remain silent at present, her deceptive intrigues are having their effect though. Apart from this, natural human apathy, indifference, and laziness are having their usual effect as well.

Islam is commissioned to give the message of the "angel Gabriel" to the world, and the Mormons are commissioned to give the message of the "angel Moroni".  Is there any coordination between Islam, SDA, and the Mormons?

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #16 on: Fri Jun 10, 2016 - 12:28:59 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

In other words, I am correct.

The ones who "refuse to speak" on the subject appear to be not really SDA at all according to what you say: they don't speak because of "the power of Rome" apparently.  Otherwise they would be speaking, I guess, if they were really doing the "SDA thing".

The SDA church is commissioned to give the Three Angel's Messages to this world. It is not possible to give said messages without addressing the power of Rome. She is right in the middle of all of the messages. The message will be given whether SDA's give it or not. If they won't give it, they will be replaced. Rome is not forcing anyone to remain silent at present, her deceptive intrigues are having their effect though. Apart from this, natural human apathy, indifference, and laziness are having their usual effect as well.

Islam is commissioned to give the message of the "angel Gabriel" to the world, and the Mormons are commissioned to give the message of the "angel Moroni".  Is there any coordination between Islam, SDA, and the Mormons?

No. If you would like though, I can begin to show the coordination between Islam and Rome. Our commission is taken directly from scripture, as are the messages themselves. Can Islam or the Mormons produce the same.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #17 on: Fri Jun 10, 2016 - 12:34:05 »
To the contrary, many SDA's, including pastors will no longer touch the subject. This trend will of course only increase as the power of Rome continues to do the same. Many believe it is better to not talk of the truth if it offends, it certainly is easier not to speak the truth when an increasing number of those around you do not believe it. Your scenario will never play out. Rome is here until the end, so are those who appose her. If or when either ends, so will this world. So say the prophets, so shall it be. This is why of course, the devil never wants either to end, when this world ends so does he.

In other words, I am correct.

The ones who "refuse to speak" on the subject appear to be not really SDA at all according to what you say: they don't speak because of "the power of Rome" apparently.  Otherwise they would be speaking, I guess, if they were really doing the "SDA thing".

The SDA church is commissioned to give the Three Angel's Messages to this world. It is not possible to give said messages without addressing the power of Rome. She is right in the middle of all of the messages. The message will be given whether SDA's give it or not. If they won't give it, they will be replaced. Rome is not forcing anyone to remain silent at present, her deceptive intrigues are having their effect though. Apart from this, natural human apathy, indifference, and laziness are having their usual effect as well.

Islam is commissioned to give the message of the "angel Gabriel" to the world, and the Mormons are commissioned to give the message of the "angel Moroni".  Is there any coordination between Islam, SDA, and the Mormons?

No. If you would like though, I can begin to show the coordination between Islam and Rome. Our commission is taken directly from scripture, as are the messages themselves. Can Islam or the Mormons produce the same.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Why yes they can!  And their scriptures aren't even only the ones that were "defined by Rome", unlike the SDA church.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #19 on: Fri Jun 10, 2016 - 14:21:14 »
Here is some evidence of the SDA church coordinating with the Mormons

https://news.adventist.org/en/all-news/news/go/2014-04-29/adventist-leaders-host-mormon-leaders-highlighting-religious-freedom-commitment/

And the eventual combination of the SDA church with Islam

http://ssnet.org/blog/brothers-adventist-muslim-connection-british-columbia-conference/


SDA's should combine forces with people of all faiths promoting religious freedom, including Mormons or even Catholics for that matter. Many Catholics believe in the same. Yet their leadership does not believe in separation of church and state, and will not stay out of politics and the control and manipulation which results from this unholy relationship. There is no religious freedom without separation of church and state.

SDA's absolutely are not Muslims, and Muslims absolutely are not SDA's. This converted Muslim may view things however he wishes, it will not make it so. Nor is the man or article intending to state what you are at all. As the article itself clearly reveals. If the SDA church ever made an official statement to the effect that Islam and SDA's worship and serve the same God like the Catholic church has, I would immediately point out the error of the same. If the denomination would not retract such,  I would leave it. We do not pray to the same God as Muslims, Nor do we  pray to or venerate Mary as both Catholics and Muslims do.

http://www.catholic.com/blog/todd-aglialoro/christians-muslims-and-the-one-god

http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/

http://biblelight.net/newcat.htm


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Re: Immigration over conversion
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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #21 on: Fri Jun 17, 2016 - 20:58:22 »
The following quote is from the book FACTS OF FAITH by Christian Edwardson, Southern Publishing Association 1942

A MESSAGE FOR OUR TIMES

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We shall here refer to one other similar denial. In the Roman Catholic paper, Shepherd of the Valley, there appeared an article by the editor, in which he stated: “If Catholics ever attain, which they surely will, though at a distant day, the immense numerical majority in the United States, religious liberty, as at present understood, will be at an end.” A Protestant lecturer, who made use of this quotation, was bitterly arraigned in a double-column front-page article in the Catholic Standard and Times for his false statements regarding Catholics; for, it pointed out, if he had finished the quotation with the words which followed, “so say our enemies,” it would have reversed its meaning. The incident would have passed off at the expense of the Protestant lecturer, had not the Western Watchman of July 24, 1913, continued the quotation still further, declaring:
“The whole quotation should read: ‘If Catholics ever attain, which they surely will, though at a distant day, the immense numerical majority in the United States, religious liberty, as at present understood, will be at an end. So say our enemies; so say we.’ “- Quoted in “Protestant Magazine,” October, 1913, p. 474. Why those who tried to deny their former statements should leave out the words, “so say we,” is very evident. But what can we think of those who publicly deny facts to screen their church from unfavorable public opinions, unless they act from the motive that “the end justifies the means,” and that “heretics” have no moral right to facts which they would misuse.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #22 on: Sat Jul 02, 2016 - 09:31:05 »
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/01/immigration-as-instrument-of-social-engineering-and-political-control/

The following quote is from the site above, where the rest of the article may be viewed.

“Whosoever becomes prince of a city or State, more especially if his position be so insecure that he cannot resort to constitutional government either in the form of a republic or a monarchy, will find that the best way to preserve his princedom is to renew the whole institutions of that State; that is to say, to create new magistracies with new names, confer new powers, and employ new men, and like David when he became king, exalt the humble and depress the great, “filling the hungry with good things, and sending the rich empty away.” Moreover, he must pull down existing towns and rebuild them, removing their inhabitants from one place to another; and, in short, leave nothing in the country as he found it; so that there shall be neither rank, nor condition, nor honor, nor wealth which its possessor can refer to any but to him. And he must take example from Philip of Macedon, the father of Alexander, who by means such as these, from being a petty prince became monarch of all Greece; and of whom it was written that he shifted men from province to province as a shepherd moves his flocks from one pasture to another. These indeed are most cruel expedients, contrary not merely to every Christian, but to every civilized rule of conduct, and such as every man should shun, choosing rather to lead a private life than to be a king on terms so hurtful to mankind. But he who will not keep to the fair path of virtue, must to maintain himself enter this path of evil.”— Machiavelli


Another site of interest pertaining to the same subject at hand.


http://www.europac.com/commentaries/immigration_political_and_economic_issue

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #23 on: Fri Jul 22, 2016 - 08:51:01 »
Thought I would try and transfer posts from Immigration over conversion thread 2 back to 1 and see if I can now post here.

Since apparently someone has succeeded in preventing me from posting on the original immigration over conversion thread, or there is some strange malfunction which prevents me from posting only on that thread, I started this one. Which is nothing more than a continuation of the original thread. Let's see what happens.

http://globaleconomicwarfare.com/2015/09/immigration-as-economic-warfare/

https://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/civil-defense/4-stages-of-islamic-conquest/

http://cis.org/node/380

http://www.thevillagesteaparty.org/immigration-as-economic-warfare.html


Though the above is in relation to Islam with very possible and serious repercussions, it was done first, and continues to be done by the church of Rome to date. The alarm being sounded now about Islam could doubly benefit the designs of Rome, forcing those who fear an Islamic state, to prefer and choose a Catholic state instead. Which is pretty much the way our country is already headed. This is not to mention the added benefit of diversion away from the fact that the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants entering the nation are still Roman Catholic. Who themselves belong to a religion which has political designs completely foreign to the designs of our founding fathers. Is it any wonder, that the Catholic church supports Muslim immigration, as shown on this thread?

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #26 on: Fri Jul 22, 2016 - 09:01:36 »
Since Immigration over conversion 1 seems to be working now, I suppose I will delete #2 if possible. The following article is of interest regarding the changing face of our nation. It rightly addresses what is happening, without addressing why. That is, it does not address the fact that it is has all happened, and continues to happen by design. Those who have been running our nation, are guilty of asymmetrical warfare against the United States of America. Massive legal and illegal immigration are an intricate part of the same.

http://wwrn.org/articles/46170/

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #27 on: Sat Jul 30, 2016 - 17:06:06 »
The following quote may be viewed with far more information at the following site - http://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/03/how-the-vatican-influences-us-policy/

The Major Difference Between the United States and Latin American Countries

The vast disparities between Latin America and the United States should not exist. Both were settled by Europeans at about the same time. Both are rich in resources. But where a democratic form of government grew out of the British experience, and among its North American possessions the principle of separation of church and state had been fostered, Latin America reflected the authoritarian Spanish and Portuguese conquest of the countries to the south. The nature of these settlements was particularly distinctive in regard to religion. Many in the North had come to seek religious freedom, which they guarded jealously, insisting on separation of church and state. In Latin America, the new land was explored for its wealth and for conversions to Catholicism. The modern Catholic Church adheres to this day to this prerogative, this close alliance of government and religion. It acts in this country as if it has a moral obligation to influence, in whatever way it can, issues that are at variance with Catholic priorities. The Catholic Church disregards the fundamental American concept of separation of church and state, claiming a “divine right” to do so. I am deeply concerned about this state of affairs as it concerns over­ population.

As a result of the Vatican’s position and actions, our government is not dealing with the realities of overpopulation, including illegal immigration. Should the Vatican agenda be followed for even the next fifteen to twenty years, there will be no turning back for the U.S. The United States of North America will become a part of Latin America.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #28 on: Sat Jul 30, 2016 - 17:41:57 »
The following quote is from the internet site linked in my previous post as well. A lot of important info on this site, though most of it is history now, very revealing.

The third opportunity for government policy manipulation comes with the continued influx of illegal aliens. John Tanton, chairman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) and leading thinker on illegal immigration, summarizes the findings of studies of the beneficiaries by saying that the only Americans who benefit are business interests that employ illegals at low wages.[26] That is all![27] In this country, 75 percent of Hispanics approve of illegal immigration control and of national identification cards.[28] This is the group that the Catholic hierarchy said opposed control. (Of course, the Church was only speaking “on behalf of” Hispanics all along.)

No one benefits except some often unscrupulous business interests and the Catholic hierarchy (90 percent of all illegal aliens are Catho­lic). No illegal immigration control organizations ever mention opposi­tion by the hierarchy—another example of the power of censorship.

If illegal aliens were comprised of other religious groups, we prob­ably would have little illegal immigration control problems in the United States. How does the Church justify this blatantly anti-American activity of creating a sanctuary in America for Catholic il­legal aliens from Latin America?

Officially one-quarter of the people in the Catholic Church in the United States are Hispanic. However, according to Church spokesman the Reverend Raymond G. Schutte, a Benedictine, in reality almost 40 percent of our country’s Catholics are Spanish-speaking, and their number will rise to 50 percent by 1990[29]—only six years from now—due mostly to illegal immigration. The justification:

The principle [of sanctuary]…a part of Catholic canon law, which states: “A church enjoys the right of asylum so that crimi­nals who flee from it are not to be removed from it, except in the case of necessity, without the assent of the ordinary or the rector of the church.” Thus, when Milwaukee Archbishop Rembert Weakland welcomed four families into a church in December, he said he was only obeying the law of his church.

In greeting the refugees on the day St. Benedict the Moor Catholic Church became a public sanctuary, Archbishop Weakland said, “To many, the concept of sanctuary may seem to be one that Catholic tradition forgot since the Middle Ages. This is not true.”

“Sanctuary is not really a way of avoiding justice,” the arch­bishop added, “but a holy respite so that true justice can eventu­ally be done.”[30]

Obviously Archbishop Weakland defies American law, placing the law of the Vatican, a foreign power, above American law. Of course, he has a “divine right” to do so, because the Vatican has sovereignty over the United States in matters of faith and morals, as we discussed before, and, of course, morals include illegal immigration since it enhances the power of the Church.

The real meaning of the hierarchy’s interests in illegal immigra­tion can be gleaned from a recent monograph on illegal immigration and national security. No doubt the most important ever published on this subject, it was written by Dr. George Fauriol and produced by Georgetown University’s Center for Strategic and International Studies:

The viability of the nation depends upon an informed electorate and the absence of deep cultural or lingual divisions among its people. Illegal immigration, to the extent that it fosters the estab­lishment of communities of persons unable or unwilling to con­verse in English, can foster just such divisions. The problem of a large ethnic group repeatedly fueled by massive immigration—whether legal or illegal—detached from the main stream U.S. population by language and custom, “could affect the social stability of the nation,” says William A. Henry, III. “The disrup­tive potential of bilingualism and biculturalism is worrisome: millions of voters cut off from the main sources of information, millions of potential draftees inculcated with dual ethnic loyal­ties, millions of would-be employees ill at ease in the language of their workmates.”

According to a study prepared by the Twentieth Century Fund, bilingual education, on which the U.S. government spends nearly $200 million annually, does not assist in creating a better society, but just the opposite. “Anyone living in the United States who is unable to speak English cannot fully participate in our society, its culture, its politics,” says the Fund’s task force.[31]

Unfortunately, an end to illegal immigration, and the curtail­ment of legal immigration to reasonable levels, may be perceived in the future as a threat by the beneficiaries of this growing political clout. Illegal immigration, to the extent that it fuels an increasing number of insular ethnic groups, becomes a tool with which to persuade government policymakers to look favorably upon the demands of ethnic organizations, which could include the maintenance of open borders.

The political implications of such activities have not re­ceived the attention or critical examination they deserve. The obligations of the U.S. government, to the citizens of this coun­try, should not be determined by the number of petitioners before the government. By including illegal immigrants in the census, the U.S. government legitimizes the use of illegal immigration itself as a political tool for the advancement of certain interests in American society, which are certainly not without significant im­plications for the future of American democracy. The political use of illegal aliens has included attempts by certain states, par­ticularly California, to make major efforts to register illegal aliens to vote. During the Carter administration, the Justice Depart­ment informally ruled that it saw no legal reason why illegal aliens could not vote even in federal elections![32]

Fauriol never mentions the Catholic Church. Yet, he could not be more on target if he were aiming at the Catholic hierarchy. The Vati­can is the chief “beneficiary of this growing political clout.” It obviously seeks the “use of illegal immigration as a political tool for the advancement of its interest in American society” at the expense of American democracy.

The Vatican promotes social and ethnic political power blocs in this country to foster divisiveness within American society. Then it uses these ethnic power groups—such as Poles, Irish, Mexicans, and Salvadorans—to manipulate U.S. domestic and foreign policy. Though an enormous influx of immigrants is required, the strategy is simple: divide and conquer.


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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #29 on: Sun Aug 07, 2016 - 10:24:36 »
The articles containing the following quotes may be viewed at the links provided above said quotes.

http://www.rense.com/general75/inva.htm

THE U.S. VS MEXICO
 
On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession.”

Civilizations die by suicide, not murder, says Patrick Buchanan, and liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas, pursued to their logical end, will prove fatal. And none of those ideas is as certain to bring our civilization to an unhappy end as the proposition that America’s borders must be open to any and all comers, legal and illegal. In “State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” Buchanan explains why the very life of our nation is at stake in the immigration debate. If immigration and border controls aren’t reintroduced, it will be the end of America as we know it — and soon.


http://www.conservativebookclub.com/book/state-of-emergency-the-third-world-invasion-and-conquest-of-america

Buchanan explains why the massive influx of illegal immigrants into America is nothing less than an invasion — and yet the Bush White House and GOP-controlled Congress appear disinclined to do anything about it. He details how our current policy of “open borders” and nearly unrestricted immigration have brought a stream of criminals and thugs into our nation — for the benefit only of an entrenched political establishment that couldn’t care less about the good of the American people. He explodes myth after myth about illegal immigration — including President Bush’s notorious statement that illegal aliens “do jobs Americans won’t do” and the idea that foreigners somehow have a natural right to come to America.


http://humanevents.com/2006/07/27/the-emreconquistaem-movement-mexicos-plan-for-the-american-southwest/

At its core, the claim of the Reconquista (“Reconquest”) movement is that the United States stole large sections of the southwestern United States from Mexico in the 1800s. Mexicans and other Hispanics making these claims seek to reconquer this territory by taking the land away from the United States and returning it to Mexico. The goal of the Reconquista is to “reconquer” these “lost” or “stolen” territories for “La Raza”—the race indigenous to Mexico.
How will the Reconquista be accomplished? Today, millions of Mexican illegal immigrants are pouring into the United States. None of these illegal aliens are checked in any way. They live in the United States while swearing their allegiance to Mexico. By their sheer presence and numbers, those in the Reconquista movement believe that a time will come when they can take political control of local communities where Hispanics are the majority. The ultimate dream of the Reconquista movement is that political control can be gained in one or more southwestern states. Reconquista activists plan that the states controlled by Mexican immigrants would secede from the United States and join Mexico, much as the southern states seceded during the American Civil War and formed the Confederacy.

http://takimag.com/article/the_real_reconquistamass_immigration_and_american_sovereignty#axzz4Gf2iD1BT

The boasts by Mexican nationalists about “reconquista” used to sound comical to most American ears, little more than banana-republic bravado. Americans who took this reconquista rhetoric seriously were breezily dismissed as cranks or alarmists, “black helicopter” people imagining world events controlled by the Trilateral Commission or, worse, by the Elders of Zion.

But as Mexican immigration—most of it illegal—has continued at levels unprecedented in history and as illegal aliens have massed in the streets issuing demands to the American people, concern over reconquista has entered the mainstream. Ron Maxwell, for instance, acclaimed film director of “Gettysburg” and “Gods and Generals,” wrote in an open letter to President Bush in the Washington Times in 2006 that “It may already be too late to avoid a future annexation of the Southwest by Mexico or the evolution of a Mexican-dominated satellite state.” Syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin wrote a piece in May 2006 entitled “Reconquista Is Real.”


http://thelastgringo.com/2006/04/reconquista-the-invasion-of-america/

The American Southwest “…seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.” July 20, 1982, Carlos Loret de Mola, The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers Its Own, Excelsior [newspaper], Mexico City

There is a plan, called The Plan Of Aztlan, that’s been in effect for about four decades. The goal, being pursued vigorously by radical, racist Chicano (Mexican-American) groups and the Mexican government, is to reconquer (Reconquista) land lost to America in the Mexican-American War that ended in 1848 with the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo.

Mexicans and many Mexican-Americans have never accepted the loss of their land, inhabited long before the gringos (white Europeans) arrived. Chicano groups like MEchA (Chicano Student Movement Of Aztlan) want to reconquer seven states in the Southwestern United States called Aztlan, the mythical home of the Aztecs. They include: California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, plus parts of Colorado, Nevada and Utah.

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #30 on: Sun Aug 21, 2016 - 10:16:36 »
The quotes below, are accompanied by the links they were taken from above each. When your religion is more dependent upon migration than conversion in order to grow and spread, it is expedient that said religion becomes very involved in encouraging and facilitating migration where growth is intended. Having the largest resettlement agency in the world is of course greatly beneficial to such endeavors. All emphasis in the following quotes is mine.

http://www.usccb.org/about/children-and-migration/

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The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops department of Migration and Refugee Services (MRS) is the largest refugee resettlement agency in the world,and is one of two agencies authorized by the U.S. Department of State to resettle unaccompanied refugee children.  MRS serves as a leader in the protection of unaccompanied, refugee, and immigrant children by providing family reunification and legal and child advocate services. MRS has served unaccompanied children through culturally-appropriate programs nationwide since 1980.


It is of course important to preserve the religion of said migrants in accordance with said above designs. Although the nation and religion these children are fleeing has failed them, this Catholic agency seems to believe they must still maintain the culture and religion of that nation and religion which did so. Would it not be better then, to enter these nations and help lift these people and that nation back up to stand on their own feet, than to take those they have failed into this nation, and bring part of that failed culture and religion into this nation to be established here? This is not to mention the ever increasing financial strain of such upon our ever increasingly fragile economy. The answer absolutely cannot be establishing religions and cultural principles of these nations which may have contributed heavily to the failures which caused the need for mass migration in the first place.

http://www.usccb.org/about/children-and-migration/upload/urm-one-pager-lirs-usccb.pdf

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URM programs follow the same state laws and regulations that govern domestic foster care. In addition, URM programs provide trauma-informed services specific to the needs of a foreign-born child who has encountered a forced migration experience, to include integration while preserving heritage culture and religion, development of independent living skills, English language acquisition, educational needs and goals, and employment preparation. URM programs are developed by agencies that have experience with reception, placement, and integration of refugees and immigrants.






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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #31 on: Sun Mar 05, 2017 - 10:41:55 »
A few more reminders of what immigration means to Rome, and her support of the same.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/14/world/americas/mexico-immigrant-shelter/

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_22_3/tsc_22_3_vinson_printer.shtml

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigration-reform-and-catholic-church

http://www.saveourstate.info/showthread.php?t=1869

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2746-the-money-trail-why-catholic-bishops-are-silent-on-hillary

http://americansfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Americans-First-Press-Release-re-Mexican-Consulate-Event-in-Lexington-Oct-18.pdf

http://stmchapelhill.org/justice-for-immigrants

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/23/trumps-battle-against-illegal-immigrant-sanctuary-may-end-at-church-steps.html

http://occatholic.com/catholic-church-leads-effort-to-naturalize-2-4-million-immigrants/

The above articles are just more examples concerning this one subject, revealing some of the methodologies of the political entity which is the Church of Rome. She enters nations as a religious institution, uses her status as the same to become politically active, and then takes over said nation form within. Multiplying her adherents and their political influence under her control with every step possible. This once Protestant nation would do well to go back and study the works of the Reformers in identifying and addressing her methodologies of usurping and maintaining her abusive power. We are very near losing this nation entirely to her. The manipulation of the only two parties representing us from both sides of the isle has become altogether to common and easy for her from within as her numbers their continually increase. A third and independent party to truly represent the people is desperately needed. The following observations from a great reformer should be seriously considered by the citizens of this nation as Rome's power within continually rises.

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THE PRACTICE OF PRELATES by William Tyndale
Martyred in 1536
Library of The Theological Seminary
PRINCETON  NEW JERSEY
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A proper similitude to describe our holy Father

And to see how our holy father came up, mark the ensample of the ivy tree: first it springeth out of the earth, and then awhile creepeth along by the ground till it find a great tree. Then it joineth itself beneath alow unto the body of the tree, and creepeth up a little and a little, fair and softly. And at the beginning, while it is yet thin and small, that the burden is not perceived, it seemeth glorious to garnish the tree in winter, and to bear off the tempests of the weather. But in the mean season it thrusteth roots into the bark of the tree, to hold fast withal; and ceaseth not to climb up, till it be at the top and above all. And then it sendeth his branches along by the branches of the tree, and overgroweth all, and waxeth great, heavy, and thick; and sucketh the moisture so sore out of the tree and his branches, that it choaketh and stifleth them. And then the foul stinking ivy waxeth mighty in the stump of the tree, and becometh a seat and a nest for all unclean birds, and for blind owls, which hawk in the dark, and dare not come at the light.

Even so the bishop of Rome, now called the pope, at the beginning crope along the earth; and every man trod upon him in this world. But as soon as there came a christian emperor, he joined himself unto his feet and kissed them, and crope up a little with begging now this privilege, now that; now this city, now that; to find poor people withal, and the necessary ministers of God’s word. And he entitled the emperor with choosing the popes and other bishops; and promoted in the spiritualty, not whom virtue and learning, but whom the favor of great men commended; to flatter, to get friends, and defenders withal. And the alms of the congregation which was the food and the patrimony of the poor and necessary preachers, that he called St Peter’s patrimony, St Peter’s rent, St Peter’s lands, St Peter’s right; to cast a vain fear and a heathenish superstitiousness into the hearts of men, that no man should dare meddle with whatsoever came once into their hands for fear of St Peter, though they ministered it never so evil; and that they which should think it none alms to give them any more (because they had to much already) should yet give St Peter somewhat, (as Nabuchodonesser gave his god Beel) to purchase an advocate and an intercessor of St Peter, and that St Peter should at the first knock let them in. And thus, with flattering and feigning, and vain superstition, under the name of St Peter, he crept up and fastened his roots in the heart of the emperor, and with his sword clamb up above all his fellow bishops, and brought them under his feet. And as he subdued them with the emperors sword, even so by subtilty and help of them (after that they were sworn faithful) he clamb above the emperor, and subdued him also, and made him stoop unto his feet and kiss them another while. Yea, pope Caelestinus crowned the emperor Henry the fifth, holding the crown between his feet: and when he had put the crown on, he smote it off with his feet again, saying, that he had might to make emperors and to put them down again.

And he made a constitution, that no layman should meddle with their matters, nor be in their councils, or whit what they did; and that the pope only should call the council, and the emperor should but defend the pope; provided alway that the council should be in one of the pope’s towns, and where the pope’s power was greater than the emperor’s. Then, under the pretence of condemning some heresy, he called a general council, where he made one patriarch, another cardinal, another legate, another primate, another archbishop, another bishop, another dean, another arch dean, and so forth, as we now see.

And as the pope played with the emperor, so did his branches and his members, the bishops, play in every kingdom, dukedom, and lordship; insomuch that the very hiers of them by whom they came up, hold now their lands of them, and take them for their chief lords. And as the emperor is sworn to the pope, even so every king is sworn to the bishops and prelates of his realm: and they are the chiefest in all parliaments; yea, they and their money, and they that be sworn to them, and come up by them, rule altogether.

And thus the pope, the father of all hypocrites, hath with falsehood and guile perverted the order of the world, and turned the roots of the trees upward, and hath put down the kingdom of Christ, and set up the kingdom of the devil, whose vicar he is; and hath put down the ministers of Christ, and hath set up the ministers of Satan, disguised yet in names and garments like unto the angels of light and ministers of righteousness. For Christ’s kingdom is not of the world (John XVIII); and the popes kingdom is all the world.

And Christ is neither judge nor divider in this world (Luke XII): but the pope judgeth and divideth all the world, and taketh the empire and all kingdoms, and giveth them to whom he lusteth.

Christ saith, “Blessed are the poor in spirit:” so that the first step into the kingdom is humbleness, or humility; that thou canst find in thine heart to do service unto all men, and to suffer that all men tread thee.

The pope saith, ‘Blessed be the proud and high minded, that can climb and subdue all under them, and maintain their right, and such as will suffer no man:’ so that he which was yesterday taken from the dunghill and promoted this day by his prince, shall to-morrow, for the pope’s pleasure, curse him, and excommunicate him, and interdict his realm.

Christ saith, “Blessed by the meek,” or soft, that be harmless as doves.

The pope blesseth them that can set all the world together by the ears, and fight, and slay manfully for his sake, that he may come hot from blood-shedding to a bishoprick; as our cardinal did, and as St Thomas of Canterbury did, which was made bishop in the field, in complete harness on his horseback, and his spear bloody in his hand.

Christ hath neither holes for foxes, nor nests for birds, nor yet whereon to lay his head, nor promised aught in this world unto his disciples, nor took any to his disciple but him that had forsaken all. The ivy-tree, the pope, hath under his roots throughout all Christendom, in every village, holes for foxes, and nests for unclean birds in all his branches, and promiseth unto his disciples all the promotions of the world.

The nearer unto Christ a man cometh, the lower he must descend, and the poorer he must wax. But the nearer unto the pope ye come, the higher ye must climb, and the more riches ye must gather, whencesoever ye can get them, to pay for your bulls, and to purchase a glorious name, and license to wear a mitre, and a cross, and a pall, and goodly ornaments. 


May God raise up defenders of true Christian principles of liberty, justice, and freedom to stand against this most ancient foe of all of the same. 

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Re: Immigration over conversion
« Reply #32 on: Sat Jan 06, 2018 - 11:52:39 »
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/02/13/the-global-catholic-population/

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What do we know about the U.S. Catholic population?

The United States is home to about 7% of all Catholics in the world. As of 2010, an estimated 23% of U.S. adults and 24% of the total U.S. population (adults and children) are Catholic.

The Catholic population in the U.S. has undergone some striking demographic shifts despite hovering around a quarter of the population for several decades. For example, the Catholic population has lost more members than it has gained from religious switching. In fact, one-in-ten adults in the United States is a former Catholic, according to the Pew Research Center’s 2009 report “Faith in Flux.”

In addition, the Catholic population in the U.S. has been heavily shaped by immigration and includes a rising share of Latinos. More than half (52%) of all migrants to the United States are Catholic. Of the estimated 75.4 million Catholics in the United States in 2010, 22.2 million were born outside the United States (30%). By comparison, slightly more than 13% of the overall U.S. population is foreign-born.

Three-quarters (76%) of Catholic immigrants living in the U.S. are from Latin America and the Caribbean, while about 10% have come from Asia-Pacific and about 10% have come from Europe. In recent Pew Research Center surveys of adult Catholics, 60% are non-Hispanic whites, 33% are Hispanic and 7% are other minorities, including Asians.1


On the link provided two graphs concerning the largest Catholic populations in the top ten nations immediately follow the above information. One is from 1910, the other is from 2010. In the former the US is eighth, in the latter the US now has the fourth largest Catholic population in the world. It would be more than naive to consider this major change has not been facilitated by someone. Not much question as to who that might be. Such growth within a denomination which historically loses more members than it gains through conversion can only be obtained by immigration. Apparently illegal or otherwise. It must be kept mind as well, that the numbers recorded in 1910 were also greatly enhanced through massive migrations.

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« Reply #33 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 21:37:35 »
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/us-leaves-un-global-migration-discussions-to-churchs-dismay

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VATICAN  |  DEC. 11, 2017

US Leaves UN Global Migration Discussions, to Church’s Dismay

Pope Francis and the U.S. bishops have called for a robust worldwide response to the international migration crisis, but the Trump administration fears an undermining of national sovereignty.

Peter Jesserer Smith

WASHINGTON — Global migration has reached historic levels, as an estimated 244 million people — 3% of the global population — are living outside their home countries. Approximately, 60 million migrants include those displaced by wars across the world.

However, the U.S. government has opted to withdraw from ongoing United Nations discussions for an international compact on global migration, on the basis that the negotiations to strengthen global governance over the matter were “inconsistent with U.S. law and policy.”

“While we will continue to engage on a number of fronts at the United Nations, in this case, we simply cannot in good faith support a process that could undermine the sovereign right of the United States to enforce our immigration laws and secure our borders,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Dec. 3 in a statement.

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops expressed its disappointment at U.S. withdrawal from the Global Migration Compact and urged the Trump administration to reconsider.

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« Reply #34 on: Wed Jan 10, 2018 - 22:06:37 »
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2746-the-money-trail-why-catholic-bishops-are-silent-on-hillary

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The Money Trail: Why Catholic Bishops Are Silent on Hillary


These grants cover fiscal year 2016 only:

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

During FY16, the USCCB received federal grants totaling a whopping

$91,132,305

According to the USASpending.gov, the top programs carried out by the USCCB, on behalf of the Obama Administration were:


Program Name                                                                    Funds   Awarded

1. U.S. Refugee Admissions Program
                                                                                       
                                                                                         $53,405,755

2. Refugee and Entrant Assistance_Voluntary Agency Programs
                                                                                                        
                                                                                         $21,714,000

3. Unaccompanied Alien Children Program

                                                                                         $9,240,908

4. Cuban/Haitian Entrant Program

                                                                                         $5,249,661

5. Refugee and Entrant Assistance_Discretionary Grants

                                                                                         $1,366,158

Clearly, the U.S. Bishops are fully supportive of the Obama Administration mass refugee resettlement program. It’s been a very lucrative venture for the USCCB. Donald Trump seeks to suspend the Muslim Refugee migration program into the United States. Supporting a Donald Trump candidacy would halt all Syrian Muslim refugee migration into the U.S. His policy of suspending Muslim refugees would be quite costly for the Bishops and deplete their coffers. The present day Money Changers aren’t willing to relinquish their federal revenue flow.

Catholic Charities

And then there’s the Catholic Church’s golden calf of federal funds, Catholic Charities. According to USASpending.gov, the federal government’s website of federal contracts and grants, the Catholic Bishops around the U.S. garnered some hefty contracts. Overall, for FY16 Catholic Charities collected:             

$84,339,422 as Total Prime Recipient

$118,008,202 as a Total sub-award transaction

Total Award:
$202,247,624 FY16

But there’s More!

The Catholic Bishops landed even more federal goodies to carry out the massive refugee migration resettlement agenda of the Obama Administration. Mass migration of Syrian refugees provides a lucrative business model for the Catholic Church but they might want to ask the Catholics in the pews about this highly controversial policy of putting Muslim refugees in U.S. towns.

The International Catholic Migration Commission(ICMC)

The International Catholic Migration Commission(ICMC) headquartered in Boston also joined in on the federal refugee goodies. In FY 2016, according to the USASpending.gov, the International Catholic Migration Commission was awarded:

$17,715,636 Total as Prime Recipient

The U.S. Department of State doled out $17+ million to ICMC grants. The sole purpose of the grants is stipulated for U.S. Refugee Resettlement.

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BILL FOR ESTABLISHING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN VIRGINIA (Thomas Jefferson 1799)

Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up there own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; that to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tryannical; that even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion, is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the ministry those temporal rewards, which proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct, are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labors for the instruction of mankind; that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, more than our opinions in physics or geometry; that, therefore, the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him the incapacity of being called to the offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opoinion, is depriving him injuriously of those priviledges and advantages to which in common with his fellow citizens he has a natural right; that it tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments, those who will externally profess and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the feild of opoinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles, on the supposition of their ill tendency, is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency, will make his opinions the rule of judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its offices to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them.
    Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.
    And though we well know this Assembly, elected for the people for the ordinary services of legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding assemblies, constituted with the powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable, would be of no effect in law, yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right.

All Americans are compelled to pay taxes, and hundreds of millions of dollars of their tax money is given to the Catholic church every year to facilitate massive legal and illegal immigration into this country against the will of the people in this also. Just another one of the many methods of manipulation imposed upon all willing or not by Rome.

 

     
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