Is Ellen White the SDA Virgin Mary

[Smiles]

There seems to be a Catholic like reverence for Ellen G. White by SDA's. 

[Amo]

There seems to be a Catholic like reverence for Ellen G. White by SDA's.

Not possible.  SDA's believe it is a sin to try to communicate with the dead, let alone bow down and pray to them, or anyone or anything else apart from God alone.  Nor do we, or would we ever accept anything spoken to anyone by her, or anyone else apart from Christ Himself, who had died.  Nor do we in any way shape or form believe that EGW, or any other mere human being is in any way any kind of co-redemptive with Christ.  We have not committed the care of our church, or countries, or this world to her care from heaven either.  We do not believe, as the previous Pope did, that she can intercede in the lives of people here on earth now, and save their lives.  Nor can she or anyone that has died save anyone's life, literally or spiritually from heaven.  Nor do we believe that she is omnipresent like God and able to here the prayers of countless millions around the world all at once, and answer them like God.  Shall I go on. 

We have not made her another God, and never will.  Anyone who does, will be guilty of the same sins that Roman Catholics are guilty of relating to their teachings and practices regarding Mary and a host of other saints.  We believe that EGW was a prophetess, plain and simple.  All that she has ever said must be measured by the scriptures, the standard for testing all claims to truth.  You are way off on this one.

[djconklin]

There seems to be a Catholic like reverence for Ellen G. White by SDA's.

#52!

[Bocephus]

Ellen certainly gets a lot of reverence from some groupings of SDA's.  She was just a sinful person like anyone else who is not Jesus.

[djconklin]

Ellen certainly gets a lot of reverence from some groupings of SDA's.

Been an SDA for over 45 years and have yet to meet anyone who had "reverance" for Ellen White.  Respect would be a much better word.

Ellen White on herself:

"Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' —'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'  Spalding and Magan Collection

So, we could say that anyone who had "revereance" for Ellen White, doesn't know Ellen White!

[Dorian]

May I interject here please.

E.G. White was an Freemason, So was William Miller. There tombstone all have obelisks on them by their specific request.
Ellen writes in no less that 70 passages about THE ALL SEEING EYE.
She also time are time speaks of THE SUN OF God instead of Son of God.

She must have known something really interesting.

When the Seventh Day Adventist realise that they are not the only one to go to Heaven then it will be a glorious day.

How can all other Christian churches be wrong and only one that is right.

Our population currently stands at about 8 billion. Each one is special, no one will burn in the fires of hell. Love will cover all.
Just in ways so vastly different from human understandings.

Blessings.

[djconklin]

May I interject here please.

E.G. White was an Freemason, So was William Miller. There tombstone all have obelisks on them by their specific request.

Where can we see this specific request?

To belong to the Freemasons or any orther secret society would have been contrary to her own counsel:

Again the Lord declares through the prophet Isaiah:

"Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; ... Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us. For the Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread" (Isa. 8:9-13).

 There are those who question whether it is right for Christians to belong to the Free Masons and other secret societies. Let all such consider the scriptures just quoted. If we are Christians at all, we must be Christians everywhere, and must consider and heed the counsel given to make us Christians according to the standard of God's Word." 2 Selected Messages, page 122.

Ellen writes in no less that 70 passages about THE ALL SEEING EYE.

Figure of speech for the omniscience of God.

She also time are time speaks of THE SUN OF God instead of Son of God.

There's one quote (all in caps, i.e., not her work) about the Egyptian god Ra.  That's it.

How can all other Christian churches be wrong and only one that is right.

Not an SDA teaching.  Pastoprs will get up and pointedly chew out the congregation stating that there will be more Methodists, more Lutherans, more Catholics, etc. in heaven than SDA's because they are living up to the light they know.

Each one is special, no one will burn in the fires of hell.

Non sequitur and contrary to God's Word:

Revelation 21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Magnetic]

E.G WHITE was channelled like any other medium. She has been used by the Occult and here I mean Dark Agendas.

Your fundamental doctrines state categorically if you do not accept EG WHITE then you have no light or truth in you (to the law and the testimony) that is your line.

So it is not just your beliefs that only you can be saved. If you have changed your doctrines lately then did you hear the voice of God telling you guys all this.

Secondly I see all churches of the world integrated in every way possible. The United States of America the most powerful nation in the world has a black man as a president.

Your head office is in USA and you have never had a black man in the seat.

The only real truth you have is the health message. Nothing else, I am sorry.

[djconklin]

E.G WHITE was channelled like any other medium. She has been used by the Occult and here I mean Dark Agendas.

And yet she spoke out against such practices.  Does that even begin to make any sort of sense?

Your fundamental doctrines state categorically if you do not accept EG WHITE then you have no light or truth in you (to the law and the testimony) that is your line.

The Fundamental Beliefs don't even name her.  So that claim is false.  Secondly, the phrase "no light or truth in you (to the law and the testimony)" comes from Scripture.  So the clause,"that is your line" relative to Scripture is true.

So it is not just your beliefs that only you can be saved.

We don't believe that.  And such a view would be contrary to Scripture:

KJV Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Your head office is in USA and you have never had a black man in the seat.

Not relevant and contrary to Scripture.  In Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, etc..

[Magnetic]

Empty words. Have heard this for so long. Fear grips your church and if you read Peter or the words of Jesus; All men/women will be saved, all humanity. The penny for you guys just hasnt dropped yet.

[djconklin]

All men/women will be saved, all humanity.

The Bible says:

KJV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

CJB Revelation 18:4 Then I heard another voice out of heaven say: "My people, come out of her! so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not be infected by her plagues,

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the untrustworthy, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those involved with the occult and with drugs, idol-worshippers, and all liars- their destiny is the lake burning with fire and sulfur, the second death."

[keiraliz]

I was born and raised a Seventh-Day Adventist. Not once have I "worshipped" Ellen G. White. I respect her, yes, but I only worship God and His Son. I have attended SDA schools since kindergarten, and I was taught that she was a messanger from God. I was never taught to worship her. We've studied her works, but not once did we worship Ellen White.

Never have I believed that only SDAs will be saved. I have a cousin who is a baptized Baptist. Does that mean I believe she's going to hell? Of course not. I love to believe that she'll be in heaven with me. I'm not the one to decide who's going to heaven or who's going to hell. That is up to God--not me. Everyone is saved from their sins because of the death of Jesus, but that doesn't mean everyone in this world will accept Christ and go to heaven. Read Revelation 21:8, just as djconklin had typed out. Again, I am not the one who will decide who's going to heaven and who's going to hell because that is for Jesus to decide, but I simply can't imagine those who do not accept Him will join those who do in heaven. This includes SDAs. Not all Adventists will go to heaven.

[robert two]

 I have been an SDA since 1939.

Mrs.White was sent to Australia to get rid of her from Battle Creek.
She went to New Zealand as well.
I could not compare her to the Virgin Mary the mother of Christ.
Mrs.White wrote books most of the material put to print by Mrs.White herself is inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT.
Never heard of the Virgin Mary having printed books but I was not there at the time.
What a strange threat this is.