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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
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I got some freebie coupons for our local DQ if you want to come to where there is snow and it is 25F........

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #36 on: Tue Oct 29, 2019 - 16:37:21 »
I got some freebie coupons for our local DQ if you want to come to where there is snow and it is 25F........

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #37 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 09:51:29 »
And so far, you have completely failed to tell anyone here how you actually "keep" the Sabbath.  I've used plenty of scripture to rebut your assertions in times past, but you can't deal with them, so you just ignore them.  Why would I waste my time now?

The ball is still in your court.  You, and Hobie, and other ardent SDA's continually tell other people they are not keeping the Sabbath.  But you won't tell anyone, in a detailed fashion, how they are supposed to do that.  Until you do so, you are wasting your breath and you have no credibility.

Explain to everyone here how, exactly, you keep the Sabbath.

BALONEY! No scripture again I see. Here we are, give us the links to these plenty of scriptures you have supplied which were never addressed. If there be any neglected I will deal with them now.

Why do you want an account of how I or others observe God's Sabbath, will you follow us? We don't want you to worship us, we want you to worship God. I have no desire whatsoever to dictate or manipulate the exactness of how others will observe God's Sabbath. The command is before you as well as all others who claim to worship the God of scripture. Keep His commands and follow His example in Christ Jesus, not mine.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Worship God, not man.

The Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day wanted to dictate the exactness of Sabbath observance, and therefore came into conflict with God Himself in Christ Jesus His Son. Just like you, they wanted to quibble over exact Sabbath observance, because their hearts and motives were not pure. If you want an example of perfect Sabbath observance, then examine the life and teachings of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ concerning the issue. I care nothing for the Pharisaical arguments of proper Sabbath observance from one who does not observe the Sabbath themself, but simply wishes to argue with truth as did the Pharisees of Jesus' day. No one is wasting their breath in calling people to keep the commandments of God, nor do such want credibility for themselves, but rather the word of God. None will be judged by our words, all will be judged by the word of God.
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #38 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:03:34 »
BALONEY! No scripture again I see. Here we are, give us the links to these plenty of scriptures you have supplied which were never addressed. If there be any neglected I will deal with them now.

Why do you want an account of how I or others observe God's Sabbath, will you follow us? We don't want you to worship us, we want you to worship God. I have no desire whatsoever to dictate or manipulate the exactness of how others will observe God's Sabbath. The command is before you as well as all others who claim to worship the God of scripture. Keep His commands and follow His example in Christ Jesus, not mine.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Worship God, not man.

The Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day wanted to dictate the exactness of Sabbath observance, and therefore came into conflict with God Himself in Christ Jesus His Son. Just like you, they wanted to quibble over exact Sabbath observance, because their hearts and motives were not pure. If you want an example of perfect Sabbath observance, then examine the life and teachings of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ concerning the issue. I care nothing for the Pharisaical arguments of proper Sabbath observance from one who does not observe the Sabbath themself, but simply wishes to argue with truth as did the Pharisees of Jesus' day. No one is wasting their breath in calling people to keep the commandments of God, nor do such want credibility for themselves, but rather the word of God. None will be judged by our words, all will be judged by the word of God.

amo and Hobie/Richard - You have been asked several times to provide what YOU do to ensure that you know you have kept the Sabbath holy. 

So far all you have done is ignore, avoid, deflect and distract like a good cultist should. 

Once again:

1.  What do you do to ensure that you know that you have kept the sabbath holy?

2.  What do you avoid doing in order to know that you have kept the sabbath holy? 

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #39 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:07:05 »
So you would support our opposition ton the title of this thread and align your support with our claim that the title of the thread is a straw man.

The title of this thread is simply a question, nothing straw about it. Nevertheless there are millions who believe Sunday is sacred. Not to mention millions more whose actions prove they believe the same, regardless of their testimony. We are after all, servants of those whom we obey.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Those who attend church every Sunday, are servants of those whom they obey. That would be the proponents of Sunday sacredness.


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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #40 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:21:11 »
Actually the title is a straw man in that it seeks to distract from the truth that the sabbath has never been changed and that fact is freely admitted you those whom you deem as the authorities that you believe and accuse of changing it. 


The title of this thread is simply a question, nothing straw about it. Nevertheless there are millions who believe Sunday is sacred. Not to mention millions more whose actions prove they believe the same, regardless of their testimony. We are after all, servants of those whom we obey.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Those who attend church every Sunday, are servants of those whom they obey. That would be the proponents of Sunday sacredness.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #41 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:23:04 »
The SDA church manual provides that those breaking the sabbath must be disciplined - but neither Hobie/Richard nor amo will provide the criteria by which sabbath breaking is determined.

The mandate for disciplining sabbath breakers is denomination wide as stated in the denomination wide application of the church manual (page 62) so the criteria for determination of sabbath breaking activities should be well published - denomination wide.

Yes, all denominations set the rules of membership for themselves. For Sabbath observing denominations then, such would not be out of line. Personally though, I do not worship a denomination, nor would or do I allow a denomination to determine my worship of God for me. I joined a denomination because of agreement with said denomination. If the agreement dissolves from either side, mine or the denominations, then of course I am free to leave it and or the denomination is free to remove me from membership. That is all. Unlike Sunday keepers, Sabbath keepers have not sought out civil penalties for those who will not keep their day. Those who do not agree will simply be removed form the books as members. I do not, nor have I ever, nor do I ever intend, to follow any man made list of do's and dont's for God's Sabbath.

Nevertheless, I have never seen or even heard of such a list as an SDA for about 40 years now. It is apparently more important to non SDA's arguing against Sabbath observance, than most SDA's themselves.
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #42 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:28:37 »
Where is that?  Snow doesn't bother me.

We are in northern Canada

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #43 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:42:05 »

Maybe you weren’t high enough in the organization to be privy to such information. 

Never the less, if such information does not exist then all you have is the KANGAROO COURT of a CULT to enforce a toothless requirement. 




Nevertheless, I have never seen or even heard of such a list as an SDA for about 40 years now. It is apparently more important to non SDA's arguing against Sabbath observance, than most SDA's themselves.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #44 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:46:15 »
amo and Hobie/Richard - You have been asked several times to provide what YOU do to ensure that you know you have kept the Sabbath holy. 

So far all you have done is ignore, avoid, deflect and distract like a good cultist should. 

Once again:

1.  What do you do to ensure that you know that you have kept the sabbath holy?

2.  What do you avoid doing in order to know that you have kept the sabbath holy?

I'm not the one here wanting to follow another person as cultists do.  Why do you want to know what I do, you have the word of God. I seek to follow it, and point you to the same. Perhaps a little aid in reader comprehension would help.

Exo 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If I am the cultist, then why do I keep pointing you to scripture, and why do you keep asking for me or other mere human beings for a list of their own rules and regs. regarding the Sabbath? The Sabbath day is holy regardless of what we do, God has pronounced it so. Therefore He has commanded us to keep it holy by dedicating the day to Him as set aside from the rest of the days of the week and our own sustenance or work if you will. This that we may celebrate and or contemplate our creation by Him and proper relation to Him. This is a command from God, not a cultist leader. Look to Him, not me.

We don't do anything to know we have kept the Sabbath, we keep the Sabbath because we love and wish to obey God. It is not a burdensome list of do's and don'ts, it is a blessing from God creating undistracted time to nurture our relationship with Him as our creator and sustainer. We keep it as the Lord has declared, as a sign that He is the one who sanctifies us. This is my personal experience in any case. I cannot speak for all others.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #45 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 10:55:28 »
Actually the title is a straw man in that it seeks to distract from the truth that the sabbath has never been changed and that fact is freely admitted you those whom you deem as the authorities that you believe and accuse of changing it.

Willing ignorance is, as willing ignorance says and does. What you think and express here, and what others have stated and put down in writing many times over, are two very different things. If you wish to pretend that no one thinks Sunday sacredness has replaced the seventh day Sabbath, you are of course free to do so. This is simply chosen willing ignorance on your part though. I will submit the teachings in writing again which you deny later.
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #46 on: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 11:12:48 »
Maybe you weren’t high enough in the organization to be privy to such information. 

Never the less, if such information does not exist then all you have is the KANGAROO COURT of a CULT to enforce a toothless requirement.

I accepted the position of several different church offices over the years and was an ordained elder before I stopped attending. In my experience, SDA's aren't watching each other with a list of Sabbath do's and don'ts to hold over each other heads. Most people don't want to be like a Pharisee.

If denominations having rules and regs regarding their doctrines equals a cult, then all denominations are cults. Anyone can leave a denomination any time they want without repercussions. On the contrary, Sunday keepers have passed numerous civil laws over the centuries commanding all to observe their day. Commanding all to stop their business or shut them down on their day, or face penalties ranging from fines to death. Now these are real signs of a cult, but will you address such, of course not. Why not? Is it because you are a member of said cult? Do you attend church on Sundays?

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #47 on: Tue Jan 14, 2020 - 13:43:56 »
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BALONEY! No scripture again I see. Here we are, give us the links to these plenty of scriptures you have supplied which were never addressed. If there be any neglected I will deal with them now.

Why do you want an account of how I or others observe God's Sabbath, will you follow us? We don't want you to worship us, we want you to worship God. I have no desire whatsoever to dictate or manipulate the exactness of how others will observe God's Sabbath. The command is before you as well as all others who claim to worship the God of scripture. Keep His commands and follow His example in Christ Jesus, not mine.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Worship God, not man.

The Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day wanted to dictate the exactness of Sabbath observance, and therefore came into conflict with God Himself in Christ Jesus His Son. Just like you, they wanted to quibble over exact Sabbath observance, because their hearts and motives were not pure. If you want an example of perfect Sabbath observance, then examine the life and teachings of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ concerning the issue. I care nothing for the Pharisaical arguments of proper Sabbath observance from one who does not observe the Sabbath themself, but simply wishes to argue with truth as did the Pharisees of Jesus' day. No one is wasting their breath in calling people to keep the commandments of God, nor do such want credibility for themselves, but rather the word of God. None will be judged by our words, all will be judged by the word of God.
« Last Edit: Fri Nov 01, 2019 - 09:54:49 by Amo »

No scripture is required when I asked you a simple question.  One that remains unanswered and has remained unanswered by you for several years now.  10 years, to be exact.  A decade of people like you and Hobie steadfastly refusing to answer a simple question.

Here it is again, in case you've forgotten:

How do you keep the Sabbath?

Since SDA's blithely go around Internet forums telling other people they must keep the Sabbath, I would think it would be patently easy to answer such a simple question.  Since you claim you keep the Sabbath, I would think you not only would be able to answer the question, but be eager to do so.  I mean, as a professing Christian, one of your strongest motivating factors should be your desire for others to worship Christ in the proper manner, which you claim requires the observance of the Sabbath.  If you are going to propagate that theory here, and other places, the onus is on you to explain to people how they can get to where you are.  So far, you have refused to do so.  Why is that?


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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #48 on: Tue Jan 14, 2020 - 16:04:09 »
I see a shortcoming in this thread.

Especially those of you who have not yet answered the question as to what you do to to keep your Sabbath?

I would sub,mit that what you are claiming to be the proper Sabbath as the 7th day of the week is wrong.

The proper Sabbath  for you should be Friday, sundown.... ( generally accepted as 6PM) to Saturday, sundown ... (also accepted as  6PM)
as the evening and the morning were a day for God.

So when you answer that question of what it is that you do to keep your Sabbath, I want to know if you do it on Saturday, or if you start Friday at sundown?

In addition.... since the Jewish Shabbat is a day of rest at the end of the week, beginning on sundown Friday night, and ending on Saturday night, when three stars appear in the sky. It is an eagerly awaited chance for the Jewish people to set aside so many of their common concerns and worries and enjoy higher pursuits.

And the fact that all Roman Catholic churches have a mass Saturday, often before stars appear in the sky, as well as many Protestant churches.... They would need to be counted as those who get it correct. ::clappingoverhead::

The Jewish Sabbath is a day of celebration as well as one of prayer. It is the only rituals laid down by the Ten Commandments and is considered to be one of the most important ritual observed by the Jewish faith.

In Exodus, where it commands to remember Shabbat, it is more than just a reminder to observe the day. It is to remember the meaning and significance of Shabbat. It is written in Exodus 20:11 that the seventh day shall be set aside as the Sabbath day. By resting on this day, you are emulating the divine offering of creation and rest. If God was able to rest for a day after creating the heavens and the earth, why should we be too important to do the same?

https://jewishgiftplace.com/pages/the-jewish-sabbath

"By resting on this day, you are emulating the divine offering of creation and rest. "

Certainly not to worship the Christ who gave His life so we might live.

Think about it......

I wrote  on this in Sunday worship is not sanctioned in Scripture....
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/seventh-day-adventist-forum-(sda)/sunday-worship-is-not-sanctioned-in-scripture/msg1055153813/#msg1055153813

My full reply.......

Quote from: Hobie on Wed May 22, 2013 - 05:38:47
Nowhere in the scriptures do you find one word which sanctions Sunday worship, you can search in the Old as well as the New Testament there is nothing.

 
Very simple,

Do as the Catholics do. They have a daily mass and many people attend daily. End result.... they are certain to worship on a day that you claim God approves of. ::tippinghat::

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   Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake...." Jesus was crucified on Friday.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.   

Jesus' Resurrection....

Webster defines resurection as:

Definition of resurrection

1acapitalized : the rising of Christ from the dead
boften capitalized : the rising again to life of all the human dead before the final judgment
c: the state of one risen from the dead

FACT: Jesus rose after the Jewish Sabbath.

Why do you think that is? I submit because not only was it the first day of the week, it was because HE, and only HE offered a new beginning. A new beginning for those who would be following him in action and faith.

A new way. A new everything.

It is only proper that worship of Him would be separate from any other  Jewish and or Pagan worships.

It separates us. It separates the wheat from the chaff if you would.

He offered us a new beginning. A new life. An everlasting life into eternity.

How WRONG it would be to try and blend that into any other religious days or practices.

Jesus said

Revelation 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

repeated:

Revelation 22:13
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”

He began on the first day of the week.

He waited until the Passover Sabbath was ended and the weekly Sabbath was ended.

It is only proper for us to worship him on the day he began.... NOT after a week had gone by until Fri. sundown.

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           Jesus was crucified on Friday.   

NO HE WAS NOT!

This has been discussed in other threads. Do a search.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #49 on: Tue Jan 21, 2020 - 19:02:22 »
No more than Saturday is, and Saturday NO more than Sunday! EVERY DAY to an understanding child of God, is a day to worship and serve God, by trimming our lamps and making sure our light is shining in this perverse and crooked world. There is your answer, an answer that neither RCC/EOC, nor the SDA would accept.
It was blessed and made holy...

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

hal·low
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #50 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 14:15:32 »
"It was blessed and made holy...

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

hal·low
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verb
honor as holy."

Which still does not answer the question that others who know the truth now realize people like you and Amo continually refuse to answer.

I didn't come to the Christians forums yesterday.  I've been a member of several since 2006.  And one constant, on any Christian forum out there is that there is always some SDA that will float into a forum and start telling people they aren't keeping that Sabbath, and that they HAVE to.  But when they are asked point blank how they keep the Sabbath . . .   We get crickets. 

You can't answer the question because you don't have an answer.  You are not keeping the Sabbath either, and you know it.

Seventh Day Adventists are con men, and they don't even disguise themselves well.


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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #51 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 15:06:51 »

Which still does not answer the question that others who know the truth now realize people like you and Amo continually refuse to answer.

I didn't come to the Christians forums yesterday.  I've been a member of several since 2006.  And one constant, on any Christian forum out there is that there is always some SDA that will float into a forum and start telling people they aren't keeping that Sabbath, and that they HAVE to.  But when they are asked point blank how they keep the Sabbath . . .   We get crickets. 

You can't answer the question because you don't have an answer.  You are not keeping the Sabbath either, and you know it.

Seventh Day Adventists are con men, and they don't even disguise themselves well.

Neither Amo nor Hobie are SDA’s. They won’t even publicly agree to the sda statement of confidence in Ellen White, their prophet. 

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #52 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 17:36:15 »
The games people pretending to concern themselves with truth play. They go on and on.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #53 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 18:43:04 »
The games people pretending to concern themselves with truth play. They go on and on.

You have yet to present a biblical Defense of sda heresy. 

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #54 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 19:58:25 »
You have yet to present a biblical Defense of sda heresy.

I have done so repeatedly for years now, even directly to your own accusations. Nothing has changed nor will it likely. You seem to just want to go over the same things again and again. You will just have to weight until I am ever interested in doing so again.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #55 on: Sun Feb 09, 2020 - 06:07:27 »
seekingHiswidom,
re:  "It is only proper for us to worship him on the day he began.... NOT after a week had gone by until Fri. sundown."


Any thoughts on why scripture is silent with regard to anyone observing the 1st day of the week for the purpose of worship?
 
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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #56 on: Sun Feb 09, 2020 - 06:49:08 »
seekingHiswidom,
re:  "It is only proper for us to worship him on the day he began.... NOT after a week had gone by until Fri. sundown."


Any thoughts on why scripture is silent with regard to anyone observing the 1st day of the week for the purpose of worship?

It's not about this day of worship or that. It's about accepting or rejecting a Judgment of God.

The notion that God's Laws or Judgments intend for a person to go days without worshipping or forgetting God is foolishness.

You are right about God's Word being silence in regards to instructing man to single out the First Day of the week as some kind of Holy Day to be observed. This instruction NEVER came from God, rather, from ancient religious traditions of men.

This is simple Biblical Fact. Does it matter if we choose the religious tradition of men over the Commandment of God? Well that is certainly something we should seek God's Word about.




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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #57 on: Sun Feb 09, 2020 - 07:20:05 »
GB,
re:  "You are right about God's Word being silence in regards to instructing man to single out the First Day of the week as some kind of Holy Day to be observed."

While you are correct about there being no scripture instructing the the first day of the week to be kept as a special day of observance, that is not what I wrote.  I was merely pointing out that scripture never says that anyone was doing that.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #58 on: Sun Feb 09, 2020 - 07:54:29 »
GB,
re:  "You are right about God's Word being silence in regards to instructing man to single out the First Day of the week as some kind of Holy Day to be observed."

While you are correct about there being no scripture instructing the the first day of the week to be kept as a special day of observance, that is not what I wrote.  I was merely pointing out that scripture never says that anyone was doing that.

Awe, very good. Thank you for correcting me on that point. Yes, you are correct as well. Scripture is silent about the early church observing and/or holding the 1st Day of the week as the religious High Day it is now.




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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #59 on: Wed Feb 12, 2020 - 10:09:36 »
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BALONEY! No scripture again I see. Here we are, give us the links to these plenty of scriptures you have supplied which were never addressed. If there be any neglected I will deal with them now.

Why do you want an account of how I or others observe God's Sabbath, will you follow us? We don't want you to worship us, we want you to worship God. I have no desire whatsoever to dictate or manipulate the exactness of how others will observe God's Sabbath. The command is before you as well as all others who claim to worship the God of scripture. Keep His commands and follow His example in Christ Jesus, not mine.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Worship God, not man.

The Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day wanted to dictate the exactness of Sabbath observance, and therefore came into conflict with God Himself in Christ Jesus His Son. Just like you, they wanted to quibble over exact Sabbath observance, because their hearts and motives were not pure. If you want an example of perfect Sabbath observance, then examine the life and teachings of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ concerning the issue. I care nothing for the Pharisaical arguments of proper Sabbath observance from one who does not observe the Sabbath themself, but simply wishes to argue with truth as did the Pharisees of Jesus' day. No one is wasting their breath in calling people to keep the commandments of God, nor do such want credibility for themselves, but rather the word of God. None will be judged by our words, all will be judged by the word of God.
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It's a hoot to watch you go into chest-beating mode.  Truly a treat.  It says more about you than you know.  You have to be passive-aggressive, resort to veiled insults and question peoples intelligence because you can't defend the doctrine you push.  That is awesome.  But in this context, smoke screens don't work.

Still doesn't solve your problem.  Seventh Day Adventists are spiritual Con Men.  You may not know you are conning people, but your handlers certainly do.  Of course, your modus operandi gives every indication that you know full well your doctrine is false, but you have too much vested interest in it to abandon it.  But when you either cannot, or will not answer simple questions about points of doctrine that you tell others they must keep, you both show that your intentions are not above-board, and you check your credibility at the door.  And you hate having it pointed out.

I'm not the one worshiping a woman who didn't even keep the rules she told others to keep, plagiarized most of her works, and gave prophecies that failed to come true.

Until you can tell anyone here who asks exactly how you keep the Sabbath, you have no credibility and you have no right to talk down to anyone.  It's your focal point of doctrine, and you have no wish to spell it out so everyone can understand it.  You'll never answer the question, and we both know it.  I'll repeat what I said before.  I've been asking SDA's that exact same question for 15 years.  Not one has ever answered it.  There is a reason for that.  And you display that reason every time you fail to answer the question.


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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #60 on: Wed Feb 12, 2020 - 10:11:02 »
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Awe, very good. Thank you for correcting me on that point. Yes, you are correct as well. Scripture is silent about the early church observing and/or holding the 1st Day of the week as the religious High Day it is now.

Then perhaps you can tell everyone here exactly how you keep the Sabbath.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #61 on: Wed Feb 12, 2020 - 11:45:01 »
Then perhaps you can tell everyone here exactly how you keep the Sabbath.

First one must separate the Judgments of God from the judgments of religious man. rstrats was making the truthful point that there is no prophesy, no instruction, neither from the Christ before He became a Man, nor did HE instruct after HE became a man, to reject or judge God's Judgments regarding what is Holy, and what is not, and choose the judgments of religious men instead.

Men have been required to choose between the Judgments of God, and the judgments of other religious voices since Eve was deceived into trusting her own judgments, over the Judgments of God.

So what Sabbath are you speaking to? The one promoted by the Pharisees? The one promoted by the Catholic Church and her many daughters? Or the Sabbath of Christ that He made for man?


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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #62 on: Wed Feb 12, 2020 - 11:55:50 »
How is how someone keeps the Sabbath (i.e., the 7th day of the week)  impact on whether or not the 4th commandment (3rd if you're RCC) is still in effect?

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #63 on: Wed Feb 12, 2020 - 12:03:33 »
How is how someone keeps the Sabbath (i.e., the 7th day of the week)  impact on whether or not the 4th commandment (3rd if you're RCC) is still in effect?

Excellent point. Paul makes the exact same point.

Rom. 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

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Re: Is Sunday sacredness in the Bible?
« Reply #64 on: Sat Feb 15, 2020 - 16:59:51 »
It's a hoot to watch you go into chest-beating mode.  Truly a treat.  It says more about you than you know.  You have to be passive-aggressive, resort to veiled insults and question peoples intelligence because you can't defend the doctrine you push.  That is awesome.  But in this context, smoke screens don't work.

Still doesn't solve your problem.  Seventh Day Adventists are spiritual Con Men.  You may not know you are conning people, but your handlers certainly do.  Of course, your modus operandi gives every indication that you know full well your doctrine is false, but you have too much vested interest in it to abandon it.  But when you either cannot, or will not answer simple questions about points of doctrine that you tell others they must keep, you both show that your intentions are not above-board, and you check your credibility at the door.  And you hate having it pointed out.

I'm not the one worshiping a woman who didn't even keep the rules she told others to keep, plagiarized most of her works, and gave prophecies that failed to come true.

Until you can tell anyone here who asks exactly how you keep the Sabbath, you have no credibility and you have no right to talk down to anyone.  It's your focal point of doctrine, and you have no wish to spell it out so everyone can understand it.  You'll never answer the question, and we both know it.  I'll repeat what I said before.  I've been asking SDA's that exact same question for 15 years.  Not one has ever answered it.  There is a reason for that.  And you display that reason every time you fail to answer the question.

How about that, you did exactly what you accused me of in the above, in the above. Same old crap. Accusations that have been addressed over and over again, repeated again, and no doubt again, and on and on. So be it.

 

     
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