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NO!!!

Seventh-day Adventists teach these  heretical beliefs among others:

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1) That the Lord Jesus Christ at His incarnation assumed a sinful, fallen human nature
2) That the atonement was not finished on the cross of Calvary
3) That immortality is conditional
4) That the spirit of the believer does not go immediately into
the presence of Christ at death but instead “sleeps” in the grave until the resurrection
5) That souls who reject Christ do not really “perish” (that is, endure eternal punishment) but that they will be annihilated eventually
6) That Satan as “the scapegoat” has some part in the bearing away of our sins
7) That we are not saved by grace alone, apart from works of any kind
8) That the seventh day Jewish Sabbath is God’s test and seal.

“I believe every one of the above mentioned teachings to be false and unscriptural, as well as other Seventh-day Adventist views about the coming of Christ and the millennium in heav- en, and dietary restrictions, Mrs. White’s prophetism, etc., I have mentioned the foregoing eight which seem to me to be the most destructive, and in all consistency I repudiate them.”




“What does fellowship with other Christian workers involve? It means that you pray for God’s blessing upon their labors; that you contribute offerings to their work. I could not in all conscience do this for Adventists as they are now constituted. I will, however, help any dear soul entangled in Adventism to see the way out of bondage into the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free! In order for Adventists to enjoy fellowship with evangelicals, they must repudiate every single heresy that I have mentioned and a good many more and “come clean” all along the line. The issue is too clear-cut; you have to be on one side or the other.”


Lewis T. Talbot, Chancellor, Bible Institute of Los Angeles.
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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #1 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 11:50:20 »
NO!!!

Seventh-day Adventists teach these  heretical beliefs among others:

>>>>>>>>
1) That the Lord Jesus Christ at His incarnation assumed a sinful, fallen human nature
2) That the atonement was not finished on the cross of Calvary 3) That immortality is conditional
4) That the spirit of the believer does not go immediately into
the presence of Christ at death but instead “sleeps” in the grave until the resurrection
5) That souls who reject Christ do not really “perish” (that is, endure eternal punishment) but that they will be annihilated eventually
6) That Satan as “the scapegoat” has some part in the bearing away of our sins
7) That we are not saved by grace alone, apart from works of any kind
8) That the seventh day Jewish Sabbath is God’s test and seal.

“I believe every one of the above mentioned teachings to be false and unscriptural, as well as other Seventh-day Adventist views about the coming of Christ and the millennium in heav- en, and dietary restrictions, Mrs. White’s prophetism, etc., I have mentioned the foregoing eight which seem to me to be the most destructive, and in all consistency I repudiate them.”




“What does fellowship with other Christian workers involve? It means that you pray for God’s blessing upon their labors; that you contribute offerings to their work. I could not in all conscience do this for Adventists as they are now constituted. I will, however, help any dear soul entangled in Adventism to see the way out of bondage into the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free! In order for Adventists to enjoy fellowship with evangelicals, they must repudiate every single heresy that I have mentioned and a good many more and “come clean” all along the line. The issue is too clear-cut; you have to be on one side or the other.”


Lewis T. Talbot, Chancellor, Bible Institute of Los Angeles.

The main heretical belief in my opinion is the Heavenly Sanctuary doctrine, in that Jesus did not complete His work on the cross, and had to enter the Heavenly Sanctuary in 1844.

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #2 on: Thu Feb 06, 2020 - 13:48:56 »
The main heretical belief in my opinion is the Heavenly Sanctuary doctrine, in that Jesus did not complete His work on the cross, and had to enter the Heavenly Sanctuary in 1844.

 Teachings #2, #6 and #7  are connected to the sanctuary doctrine and an inseparable part of it.

My discussions of Adventism with  with local Christian pastors always includes the investigative judgement teaching of Adventism.

Those pastors are astounded at this non-Christian, Christ denying teaching.

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #3 on: Fri Feb 07, 2020 - 09:08:17 »
#5 bothers me.  If the unrighteous burn in Hell forever then they too have eternal life.  I do not believe that believing that the unrighteous will be annihilated would keep SDAs from being part of the fellowship of believers.   The churches that dwell on Hell fire and brimstone probably would not accept them or me for that belief.  ::announcment::

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #4 on: Fri Feb 07, 2020 - 10:15:30 »
#5 bothers me.  If the unrighteous burn in Hell forever then they too have eternal life.  I do not believe that believing that the unrighteous will be annihilated would keep SDAs from being part of the fellowship of believers.   The churches that dwell on Hell fire and brimstone probably would not accept them or me for that belief.  ::announcment::

I think that people that believe #4 and #5 are wrong, but I don't think those teachings disqualify the gospel.

The Heavenly Sanctuary doctrine presents another gospel, where Jesus did not complete His work on the cross, and had to start the completion of His work in 1844.

I do believe SDA's can be Christians, but it is in spite of the SDA Church.  The SDA Church itself is a church that preaches a false gospel.

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #5 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 17:16:01 »
Same old same old crap addressed again and again on these very boards. False and or twisted statements repeated again and again after being addressed again and again. One thing is for certain, someone is lying and will take their place with all liars after the judgment in heaven.

Rev 21:6  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God is and will judge between us, may the liars on these boards suffer that which He has determined, moreover may they repent and be saved.

Deu 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. 2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: 3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. 4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psa 9:7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. 8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


Rave on and deny the judgment, but I tell you the truth, we are all before the judgement seat of Christ at this very moment. Our actions and teachings will either prove our faith true, or exclude us from the justification Christ will make effectual and unchangeable when He returns with His reward in His hand. A mere profession of faith will save no one. Those who profess Christ will be judged by Him concerning the authenticity of their claim.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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“What does fellowship with other Christian workers involve? It means that you pray for God’s blessing upon their labors; that you contribute offerings to their work. I could not in all conscience do this for Adventists as they are now constituted. I will, however, help any dear soul entangled in Adventism to see the way out of bondage into the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free! In order for Adventists to enjoy fellowship with evangelicals, they must repudiate every single heresy that I have mentioned and a good many more and “come clean” all along the line. The issue is too clear-cut; you have to be on one side or the other.”


Lewis T. Talbot, Chancellor, Bible Institute of Los Angeles.

Anyone who seeks to be accepted by evangelicals or any other group or denomination above the Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His Holy word, are lost souls. I agree with the final statement, one has to be on one side or the other. So be it. I have never, and never will seek recognition from any human institution or denomination as the final word concerning my faith. I joined a denomination which I believed was most in line with bible teaching, but that denomination and all others can be damned as long as my salvation is concerned. It is not reliant upon any of them. Go to, seek acceptance and salvation in a denomination or alliance between several of the same, you will not find or obtain it through them. Other SDA's may have sought evangelical recognition or acceptance in the past, I certainly was not ever one of them.

I testify here today, that the accusations brought against SDA's in the OP of this thread, are a false witness against what either I personally believe, or what the holy scriptures truly teach. Declaring such, I realize that there is now no escaping the fact that at least one of us is a liar bearing false witness against another. So be it. God will judge between us, and deal with us accordingly, may He have mercy upon our souls.

I will address the false statements in the OP as time allows. 

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #6 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 17:27:25 »
Same old same old crap addressed again and again on these very boards. False and or twisted statements repeated again and again after being addressed again and again. One thing is for certain, someone is lying and will take their place with all liars after the judgment in heaven.

Rev 21:6  And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God is and will judge between us, may the liars on these boards suffer that which He has determined, moreover may they repent and be saved.

Deu 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. 2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: 3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. 4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Psa 9:7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. 8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


Rave on and deny the judgment, but I tell you the truth, we are all before the judgement seat of Christ at this very moment. Our actions and teachings will either prove our faith true, or exclude us from the justification Christ will make effectual and unchangeable when He returns with His reward in His hand. A mere profession of faith will save no one. Those who profess Christ will be judged by Him concerning the authenticity of their claim.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Anyone who seeks to be accepted by evangelicals or any other group or denomination above the Lord Jesus Christ and the teachings of His Holy word, are lost souls. I agree with the final statement, one has to be on one side or the other. So be it. I have never, and never will seek recognition from any human institution or denomination as the final word concerning my faith. I joined a denomination which I believed was most in line with bible teaching, but that denomination and all others can be damned as long as my salvation is concerned. It is not reliant upon any of them. Go to, seek acceptance and salvation in a denomination or alliance between several of the same, you will not find or obtain it through them. Other SDA's may have sought evangelical recognition or acceptance in the past, I certainly was not ever one of them.

I testify here today, that the accusations brought against SDA's in the OP of this thread, are a false witness against what either I personally believe, or what the holy scriptures truly teach. Declaring such, I realize that there is now no escaping the fact that at least one of us is a liar bearing false witness against another. So be it. God will judge between us, and deal with us accordingly, may He have mercy upon our souls.

I will address the false statements in the OP as time allows.

 Yet you continue to deny your membership in the Seventh-day Adventist church all the while continuing to defend the heresies that they teach.

And you Refuse to confirm your allegiance to Ellen White.

So we don’t even know if you are a knowledgable Seventh-day Adventist defender.

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #7 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 17:51:00 »
You don't hear or pay attention very well do you? I became an SDA because I thought what they taught was more in line with the bible than what others thought. I had and have no family or other tradition to carry on as one, and do not depend on the denomination at all in my relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as none should any denomination. I defend what I agree upon as truth from the SDA denomination, and openly criticize that which I disagree with. Either the denomination or I myself can end my membership whenever either may desire to do so. It is not my intention to simply defend a denomination on these boards but rather biblical truth. Speak and accuse as you will and do, this is your right, but it is of little consideration or consequence to me. When I address your accusations it is in defense of biblical truth, not myself, I don't particularly care what you think of me. I certainly cannot save you or convince you of truth. These things belong to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God.

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #8 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 18:45:23 »
You don't hear or pay attention very well do you? I became an SDA because I thought what they taught was more in line with the bible than what others thought. I had and have no family or other tradition to carry on as one, and do not depend on the denomination at all in my relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, as none should any denomination. I defend what I agree upon as truth from the SDA denomination, and openly criticize that which I disagree with. Either the denomination or I myself can end my membership whenever either may desire to do so. It is not my intention to simply defend a denomination on these boards but rather biblical truth. Speak and accuse as you will and do, this is your right, but it is of little consideration or consequence to me. When I address your accusations it is in defense of biblical truth, not myself, I don't particularly care what you think of me. I certainly cannot save you or convince you of truth. These things belong to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God.

Yet the subject of the above quoted post of yours is all about you and nothing from the Bible. 

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Re: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Church part of Christian fellowship?
« Reply #9 on: Sat Feb 08, 2020 - 19:54:33 »
Yet the subject of the above quoted post of yours is all about you and nothing from the Bible.



That would be because what you asked me has nothing to do with scripture, and everything to do with what I personally think about a denomination and another person.

 

     
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